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Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
Originally posted by GuessWhosOn3rd:
So, lets say i go to Great America the same time as the game.

If i ride the tallest ride there, would i be able to see the field and players from my view?

Just get on Drop Zone and tell the dude that operates the ride to stop it when it gets all the way to the top.

Just chill and watch the game from there LOL

I guess your best chance would be Flight Deck because it's so close....dunno tho...

Star Tower for the slow, scenic view:






(video stops short, but the tower goes higher....too bad it right next to the park ticket gate and not closer to the stadium site...also, you can see in this vid what appears to be several parking garages (belonging to Tellabs I believe)

The video actually stops an instant before panning over to the stadium site. You can see a little bit of it at the beginning, but not very much from that low angle.
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Been reading over the SCPF gripe. Their main concerns is around two points.

The 49ers have stated they are putting up something like 500 million. But that number comes from the 49ers raising 330 in BSLs. Apparently (can't confirm or deny this) if the 49ers don't sell that much in BSLs then Santa Clara makes up the difference.

They also point out that there is no money in the G3 fund. Guess they didn't hear we got 200 million from the NFL.

So as far as I can tell they are upset at re-directing 67 million from the general public fund. That seems like a small price to pay to get a NFL stadium in your city.
Originally posted by SportsFan:
Been reading over the SCPF gripe. Their main concerns is around two points.

The 49ers have stated they are putting up something like 500 million. But that number comes from the 49ers raising 330 in BSLs. Apparently (can't confirm or deny this) if the 49ers don't sell that much in BSLs then Santa Clara makes up the difference.

They also point out that there is no money in the G3 fund. Guess they didn't hear we got 200 million from the NFL.

So as far as I can tell they are upset at re-directing 67 million from the general public fund. That seems like a small price to pay to get a NFL stadium in your city.

They're gripe (at least the one they own up to) is that they say that the 49ers were going to pay for everything and now they are paying for almost nothing.

That's not what the original measure said. All Measure J said was that the city would not create new taxes, they wouldn't touch the General Fund, and the redevelopment agency (which no longer exists BTW...the state folded it) share would be capped at 70 Mil.

NONE of that has changed. They are griping because they say they should have to vote before the city takes out a loan for 850 million dollars.

It was ALWAYS going to be the city who was going to do that because THE CITY WILL OWN THE STADIUM. The 49ers will LEASE the space to play in the stadium and sign a contract to bind them to playing in it for an extended period. Those loans will be paid off by SBLs and corporate sponsorships (like Stadium naming rights).

They also don't like that the Niners have the option to allow the Raiders (or any other NFL team for that matter) to play there as well (even tho it was CLEARLY outloned in the measure). Not reading it isn't an excuse for not knowing. It was clearly written. It wasn't in the short version of the question, but no short version of the question is going to include every detail. That's the point of it being shortened. BTW, they tried to get that question changed BEFORE the vote as well.

The real issue tho is that they simply don't want it there. Plain and simple. They are just scratching and clawing trying to find any reason to kill the deal. Even if they WIN in court, it doesn't mean there is no stadium. It means the city wastes another 4-6 million to hold another election to vote on it.

NOW they are upset because the city in effect sued them to prevent them on the grounds that the signatures they were collecting weren't grounds for a revote and the process would create "doubt" by the lenders causing real financial harm. Essentially, The City sued them before they could sue the city on teh grounds that the Board should recognize the 5500 signatures for a revote.

Judging by the website, I can see how easy it is to get those signatures when you pretty much lie and misrepresent the entire situation to paint the measure i a bad light.

In the end tho, none of it matters. The stadium is going through. They're movement is dead. They just don't know it yet.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Feb 16, 2012 at 2:23 PM ]
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So, what keeps these group from collecting enough signatures from their own voters? It'd be just a never ending cycle.
[ Edited by mayo49 on Feb 17, 2012 at 12:16 AM ]
Originally posted by mayo49:
But, what keeps any group from collecting enough signatures (after an election that they lost) from their own voters? It'd be just a never ending cycle.

EXACTLY. That is the very reason that they have no chance. Otherwise, people would just keep putting measures on the ballot to change anything they didn't like. It's not very hard to get 5000 signatures when you flat out lie and misrepresent the truth.....essentially everything they are accusing the 49ers and the City of Santa Clara of.

It's just a stall tactic. They hope they can delay it long enough to stop it from happening.
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Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by mayo49:
But, what keeps any group from collecting enough signatures (after an election that they lost) from their own voters? It'd be just a never ending cycle.

EXACTLY. That is the very reason that they have no chance. Otherwise, people would just keep putting measures on the ballot to change anything they didn't like. It's not very hard to get 5000 signatures when you flat out lie and misrepresent the truth.....essentially everything they are accusing the 49ers and the City of Santa Clara of.

It's just a stall tactic. They hope they can delay it long enough to stop it from happening.

[ Edited by mayo49 on Feb 16, 2012 at 3:55 PM ]
Originally posted by Marvin49:
EXACTLY. That is the very reason that they have no chance. Otherwise, people would just keep putting measures on the ballot to change anything they didn't like. It's not very hard to get 5000 signatures when you flat out lie and misrepresent the truth.....essentially everything they are accusing the 49ers and the City of Santa Clara of.

It's just a stall tactic. They hope they can delay it long enough to stop it from happening.

Do you know who these people that don't want the 49ers to build a stadium in SC are? Are they just residents worried about taxes being raised? Are they local business owners? Any idea? To me it can only help their entire economy.
[ Edited by Gore_21 on Feb 16, 2012 at 6:40 PM ]
Originally posted by Gore_21:
Do you know who these people that don't want the 49ers to build a stadium in SC are? Are they just residents worried about taxes being raised? Are they local business owners? Any idea? To me it can only help their entire economy.

these people:



Originally posted by Gore_21:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
EXACTLY. That is the very reason that they have no chance. Otherwise, people would just keep putting measures on the ballot to change anything they didn't like. It's not very hard to get 5000 signatures when you flat out lie and misrepresent the truth.....essentially everything they are accusing the 49ers and the City of Santa Clara of.

It's just a stall tactic. They hope they can delay it long enough to stop it from happening.

Do you know who these people that don't want the 49ers to build a stadium in SC are? Are they just residents worried about taxes being raised? Are they local business owners? Any idea? To me it can only help their entire economy.

They are people who just don't want a stadium in their neighborhood. They could give a flying f*ck about the taxes (and there aren't any anyway).
Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:
Originally posted by Gore_21:
Do you know who these people that don't want the 49ers to build a stadium in SC are? Are they just residents worried about taxes being raised? Are they local business owners? Any idea? To me it can only help their entire economy.

these people:




I'm sorry man, but I'm gonna have to call big fat BS on that one.

Voting or supporting Obama has ZERO effect on this issue. I voted for him and will do so again as will just about all of my friends....and they support the stadium. This has nothing to do with your political view. This has to do with a bunch of peeps not wanting a stadium in their neighborhood and they will do or say anything to make it not happen.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Feb 16, 2012 at 8:20 PM ]
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Originally posted by Marvin49:
I'm sorry man, but I'm gonna have to call big fat BS on that one.

Voting or supporting Obama has ZERO effect on this issue. I voted for him and will do so again as will just about all of my friends....and they support the stadium. This has nothing to do with your political view. This has to do with a bunch of peeps not wanting a stadium in their neighborhood and they will do or say anything to make it not happen.

Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
I'm sorry man, but I'm gonna have to call big fat BS on that one.

Voting or supporting Obama has ZERO effect on this issue. I voted for him and will do so again as will just about all of my friends....and they support the stadium. This has nothing to do with your political view. This has to do with a bunch of peeps not wanting a stadium in their neighborhood and they will do or say anything to make it not happen.


lol.
haha
wtf does voting for obama have to do with the people that don't want the stadium?
Technically, ground has already been broken. All the beat writers had to clean their stuff out of their doublewide office, and the whole area and part of the parking lot has been leveled and their doing work on the sewer lines. Relocating them, and stuff.

Congrats, boys. We gotta stadium.
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