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Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
From Lynch..

Quote:
In the first round of team drills, I timed the two quarterbacks in getting rid of the ball. On his three throws, Smith took 3.5, 4, and 4 seconds to get the ball out. Hill went 2, 1.5, 1.5 and 2 seconds on his four throws.

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Hmm, this is a little troubling. Smith's taking almost DOUBLE the time to get rid of the ball.

The only explanation or reason for this would be Smith is throwing deeper passes therefore they naturally take longer to get rid of.

I want to see the timing of passes from BOTH QBs on short AND long passes.

If Smith is taking 3-4 seconds to get rid of the ball on a little dink and dunk passes then forget it.

I think you were correct with the first option. Most of Smith's highlights in camp have all been long passes. I don't think I have heard anything about Hill connecting on a deep throw. I am sure that he has but it just isn't being written about.

yeah....but you would think Lynch would have mentioned that.....I'm sure he would have because that would be an obvious explanation...... I wonder if others have timed the 2 QBs in practice......but I do know for a fact that, that is one of things Hill does best....and he prides himself on it.....getting rid of the ball fast...

I believe Hill brought up a point awhile back, that if someone timed how long it took him to run a play, compared to other "strong armed" QBs.....that it would be similar or to his favor....because he reads defenses pretty fast and gets rid of the ball so quick....and of course accurate and throws catchable soft passes......which all together results in making our WRs and overall offense look better....


its just funny thinking way back when Hill was first starting to play for us.... he would throw a pass and I'd be like OMG someone is going to pick it....because it looked like it was floating......but you would see no one there but a WR.....and I'd be like WTF...did the Defense F'up.....phew..that was close.........OMG HE'S AT IT AGAIN!!!!

but I started to get used to accepting that Hill knows what he is doing.....sure he got nervous playing in front of his Family in that Rams game.....and sure some mistakes in that Cards game.....but I'm fully comfortable now when I see those soft looking passes go over the middle

I thought I was the only one. I would be like WTF throw it harder. Oh dear god here comes pick 6. And nothing! Next play same thing, next play same thing. Then he throws deep and I would be like WTF was that!!! a bird a plane. Yup it was a duck thrown by Hill. Every time he threw my heart would stop for a few seconds.
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Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
From Lynch..

Quote:
In the first round of team drills, I timed the two quarterbacks in getting rid of the ball. On his three throws, Smith took 3.5, 4, and 4 seconds to get the ball out. Hill went 2, 1.5, 1.5 and 2 seconds on his four throws.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?blogid=45&entry_id=45069#ixzz0NSKJgfNt

Hmm, this is a little troubling. Smith's taking almost DOUBLE the time to get rid of the ball.

The only explanation or reason for this would be Smith is throwing deeper passes therefore they naturally take longer to get rid of.

I want to see the timing of passes from BOTH QBs on short AND long passes.

If Smith is taking 3-4 seconds to get rid of the ball on a little dink and dunk passes then forget it.

I think you were correct with the first option. Most of Smith's highlights in camp have all been long passes. I don't think I have heard anything about Hill connecting on a deep throw. I am sure that he has but it just isn't being written about.

yeah....but you would think Lynch would have mentioned that.....I'm sure he would have because that would be an obvious explanation...... I wonder if others have timed the 2 QBs in practice......but I do know for a fact that, that is one of things Hill does best....and he prides himself on it.....getting rid of the ball fast...

I believe Hill brought up a point awhile back, that if someone timed how long it took him to run a play, compared to other "strong armed" QBs.....that it would be similar or to his favor....because he reads defenses pretty fast and gets rid of the ball so quick....and of course accurate and throws catchable soft passes......which all together results in making our WRs and overall offense look better....


its just funny thinking way back when Hill was first starting to play for us.... he would throw a pass and I'd be like OMG someone is going to pick it....because it looked like it was floating......but you would see no one there but a WR.....and I'd be like WTF...did the Defense F'up.....phew..that was close.........OMG HE'S AT IT AGAIN!!!!

but I started to get used to accepting that Hill knows what he is doing.....sure he got nervous playing in front of his Family in that Rams game.....and sure some mistakes in that Cards game.....but I'm fully comfortable now when I see those soft looking passes go over the middle

You know last season, JTO would throw so many picks I was almost expecting one every time he threw the ball and expected to lose, so I know how you felt. But with Hill, I expected to win every game after we smoke the Rams in week 11.
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
From Lynch..

Quote:
In the first round of team drills, I timed the two quarterbacks in getting rid of the ball. On his three throws, Smith took 3.5, 4, and 4 seconds to get the ball out. Hill went 2, 1.5, 1.5 and 2 seconds on his four throws.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?blogid=45&entry_id=45069#ixzz0NSKJgfNt

Hmm, this is a little troubling. Smith's taking almost DOUBLE the time to get rid of the ball.

The only explanation or reason for this would be Smith is throwing deeper passes therefore they naturally take longer to get rid of.

I want to see the timing of passes from BOTH QBs on short AND long passes.

If Smith is taking 3-4 seconds to get rid of the ball on a little dink and dunk passes then forget it.

I think you were correct with the first option. Most of Smith's highlights in camp have all been long passes. I don't think I have heard anything about Hill connecting on a deep throw. I am sure that he has but it just isn't being written about.

yeah....but you would think Lynch would have mentioned that.....I'm sure he would have because that would be an obvious explanation...... I wonder if others have timed the 2 QBs in practice......but I do know for a fact that, that is one of things Hill does best....and he prides himself on it.....getting rid of the ball fast...

I believe Hill brought up a point awhile back, that if someone timed how long it took him to run a play, compared to other "strong armed" QBs.....that it would be similar or to his favor....because he reads defenses pretty fast and gets rid of the ball so quick....and of course accurate and throws catchable soft passes......which all together results in making our WRs and overall offense look better....


its just funny thinking way back when Hill was first starting to play for us.... he would throw a pass and I'd be like OMG someone is going to pick it....because it looked like it was floating......but you would see no one there but a WR.....and I'd be like WTF...did the Defense F'up.....phew..that was close.........OMG HE'S AT IT AGAIN!!!!

but I started to get used to accepting that Hill knows what he is doing.....sure he got nervous playing in front of his Family in that Rams game.....and sure some mistakes in that Cards game.....but I'm fully comfortable now when I see those soft looking passes go over the middle

I thought I was the only one. I would be like WTF throw it harder. Oh dear god here comes pick 6. And nothing! Next play same thing, next play same thing. Then he throws deep and I would be like WTF was that!!! a bird a plane. Yup it was a duck thrown by Hill. Every time he threw my heart would stop for a few seconds.


He still has that effect on me,floaters eventually get picked.Smith has done the same thing as well on some of the deep throws.I do not get how guys that throw the ball for a living can't consistently get rotation on it,it makes accuracy suffer and allows DB's time to get their hands on the ball.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
From Lynch..

Quote:
In the first round of team drills, I timed the two quarterbacks in getting rid of the ball. On his three throws, Smith took 3.5, 4, and 4 seconds to get the ball out. Hill went 2, 1.5, 1.5 and 2 seconds on his four throws.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?blogid=45&entry_id=45069#ixzz0NSKJgfNt

Hmm, this is a little troubling. Smith's taking almost DOUBLE the time to get rid of the ball.

The only explanation or reason for this would be Smith is throwing deeper passes therefore they naturally take longer to get rid of.

I want to see the timing of passes from BOTH QBs on short AND long passes.

If Smith is taking 3-4 seconds to get rid of the ball on a little dink and dunk passes then forget it.

I think you were correct with the first option. Most of Smith's highlights in camp have all been long passes. I don't think I have heard anything about Hill connecting on a deep throw. I am sure that he has but it just isn't being written about.

yeah....but you would think Lynch would have mentioned that.....I'm sure he would have because that would be an obvious explanation...... I wonder if others have timed the 2 QBs in practice......but I do know for a fact that, that is one of things Hill does best....and he prides himself on it.....getting rid of the ball fast...

I believe Hill brought up a point awhile back, that if someone timed how long it took him to run a play, compared to other "strong armed" QBs.....that it would be similar or to his favor....because he reads defenses pretty fast and gets rid of the ball so quick....and of course accurate and throws catchable soft passes......which all together results in making our WRs and overall offense look better....


its just funny thinking way back when Hill was first starting to play for us.... he would throw a pass and I'd be like OMG someone is going to pick it....because it looked like it was floating......but you would see no one there but a WR.....and I'd be like WTF...did the Defense F'up.....phew..that was close.........OMG HE'S AT IT AGAIN!!!!

but I started to get used to accepting that Hill knows what he is doing.....sure he got nervous playing in front of his Family in that Rams game.....and sure some mistakes in that Cards game.....but I'm fully comfortable now when I see those soft looking passes go over the middle

I thought I was the only one. I would be like WTF throw it harder. Oh dear god here comes pick 6. And nothing! Next play same thing, next play same thing. Then he throws deep and I would be like WTF was that!!! a bird a plane. Yup it was a duck thrown by Hill. Every time he threw my heart would stop for a few seconds.


He still has that effect on me,floaters eventually get picked.Smith has done the same thing as well on some of the deep throws.I do not get how guys that throw the ball for a living can't consistently get rotation on it,it makes accuracy suffer and allows DB's time to get their hands on the ball.

deep floaters....yes.....but the short to intermediate passes, well Hill still throws spirals but it doesn't seem like with much velocity but it gets there and most of the time to where the WR catches it on the run but it is also very catchable....its like it just drops to them....where as a bullet from a strong armed QB...the receiver has to catch it.....sounds weird, but I hope it makes sense.

the thing with these passes is that Hill reads the defense, knows where to go and quickly gets rid of the pass and finds the open area where the WR can get it and it is away from the defender....sometimes he takes chances, like that pass to Vernon over the deep middle against the Cards...but that comes from the confidence he has, that His player will make a play if he throws it to where our receiver has the best chance at getting it..... that pass to Vernon, while the Safety was underneath him....well Vernon had the best look at it...buy the time the Safety could turn around, it was too late.
Looks like both guys had decent two minute drills. Smith was 8/10 and
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Looks like both guys had decent two minute drills. Smith was 8/10 and

and and...don't leave me hanging I must know!!!!!!
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Looks like both guys had decent two minute drills. Smith was 8/10 and

and and...don't leave me hanging I must know!!!!!!

lol and... hill was 6-7 both scored Tds
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Looks like both guys had decent two minute drills. Smith was 8/10 and

and and...don't leave me hanging I must know!!!!!!

lol and... hill was 6-7 both scored Tds

Not bad. I like what I have been hearing about the QB performances this TC.
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Looks like both guys had decent two minute drills. Smith was 8/10 and

and and...don't leave me hanging I must know!!!!!!

lol and... hill was 6-7 both scored Tds

Not bad. I like what I have been hearing about the QB performances this TC.

Night and day compared to last year. Good stuff.
49ers QBs Hill, Smith face the press

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2009/08/06/49ers-qbs-hill-smith-face-the-press/

Quote:
On the importance of long passes because of an emphsasis on the run:

“I think they go hand in hand. In order to have everything going, you have to play action off of it. If not, then you will just get overloaded boxes and they are going to come up with something and you have to be able to keep defenses on their heels. Some of that requires some play action chunk plays, getting the ball downfield, stretching defenses, don’t let them sit on you, play on top of you. I think you get them off of you a little bit. You get them on your heels.”

On why he has had more opportunities to throw downfield:

“It’s probably just pure coincidence. I honestly would say that, just how the scripting worked out because when they script practice, they don’t script according to what reps Shaun [Hill] and I are getting because we are kind of doing that as we go. Shaun and I are switching off, so I think it’s just pure coincidence.”


[ Edited by oldman9er on Aug 6, 2009 at 20:08:00 ]
Looks like both guys had decent two minute drills. Smith was 8/10 and Hill was 6/7. Both hit TDs and moved the ball well. Not the sharpest day but still happy two min drill went well.
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Looks like both guys had decent two minute drills. Smith was 8/10 and

and and...don't leave me hanging I must know!!!!!!

Lol damn iPhone.
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Hill, Smith picking up new offense

Watching this vid, seems like Smith worked on his footwork, good job.
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
From Lynch..

Quote:
In the first round of team drills, I timed the two quarterbacks in getting rid of the ball. On his three throws, Smith took 3.5, 4, and 4 seconds to get the ball out. Hill went 2, 1.5, 1.5 and 2 seconds on his four throws.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?blogid=45&entry_id=45069#ixzz0NSKJgfNt

Hmm, this is a little troubling. Smith's taking almost DOUBLE the time to get rid of the ball.

The only explanation or reason for this would be Smith is throwing deeper passes therefore they naturally take longer to get rid of.

I want to see the timing of passes from BOTH QBs on short AND long passes.

If Smith is taking 3-4 seconds to get rid of the ball on a little dink and dunk passes then forget it.



Interesting stuff.

3, 5, 4, and 4 seconds? It has already been written that we are not practicing as much 7 step drops, which means Smith IS holding on to the ball too long. Either that or the ONLY plays he's getting are 7 step drops and Hill is getting everything else.

Like I said, wait until the real pass rush comes at Smith. The guy has all of the physical tools EXCEPT for the most important one: vision and quick release.
Joecool...... I agree that I will be interested to see if he can make the quick decision and release coupled with the necessary accuracy when there is a live pass coming after him in a game type situation. I can't hardly wait for the 14th to finally get here.
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