QB Competition

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
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QUARTERBACK DUEL: Could this contest play out just the way it did during organized team activity practices? Over those workouts, Hill looked better in the early part of the spring. Then Alex Smith gradually took hold and finished up as the superior player. Early in camp, Hill has the lead in my view. He's getting rid of the ball fast, reading the defense quickly, and leading his receivers well.

However, Smith is excelling with the deep passing game. He did so Tuesday with a 40-yard spiral that hit Isaac Bruce in stride, a pass so pretty it would bring tears to your eyes. Smith said he just couldn't make that throw last summer. However, on the short and medium passes, Smith frequently shows a halting insecurity. Even on seven-on-seven drills, which are drills without a pass rush, Smith often takes a long time finding a receiver. You can almost see him straining through his progressions. Hill also throws a far more catchable ball, probably because he doesn't throw it nearly as hard. On Tuesday morning, Vernon Davis, Glen Coffee and Delanie Walker all made one-handed grabs off of Hill's throws.

Hmm that is troubling. Hopefully he gets better with that.

That said, those are some strong words to use though ("straining through progressions, halting insecurity...") etc...wouldnt the Matt's have mentioned something?

I think one of the Matts wrote that Singletary yelled out to Alex to gid rid of the ball quicker as it would have been a sack. Same old Alex, hurt shoulder or not, his vision just isn't there.

Yeah. I did read that part. But Lynch's blog makes it seem more troubling than the Matts. I dont expect Smith to have a quick release every single time but this needs to improve. Hesistation = ints and injury = losses = chaos.

Lets hope it gets better.

Like many have said, I think this competition will come down to games. If Smith can have a game like he did against Chicago (a couple pre-seasons ago) this pre-season he should be alright.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
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QUARTERBACK DUEL: Could this contest play out just the way it did during organized team activity practices? Over those workouts, Hill looked better in the early part of the spring. Then Alex Smith gradually took hold and finished up as the superior player. Early in camp, Hill has the lead in my view. He's getting rid of the ball fast, reading the defense quickly, and leading his receivers well.

However, Smith is excelling with the deep passing game. He did so Tuesday with a 40-yard spiral that hit Isaac Bruce in stride, a pass so pretty it would bring tears to your eyes. Smith said he just couldn't make that throw last summer. However, on the short and medium passes, Smith frequently shows a halting insecurity. Even on seven-on-seven drills, which are drills without a pass rush, Smith often takes a long time finding a receiver. You can almost see him straining through his progressions. Hill also throws a far more catchable ball, probably because he doesn't throw it nearly as hard. On Tuesday morning, Vernon Davis, Glen Coffee and Delanie Walker all made one-handed grabs off of Hill's throws.

Hmm that is troubling. Hopefully he gets better with that.

That said, those are some strong words to use though ("straining through progressions, halting insecurity...") etc...wouldnt the Matt's have mentioned something?

I think one of the Matts wrote that Singletary yelled out to Alex to gid rid of the ball quicker as it would have been a sack. Same old Alex, hurt shoulder or not, his vision just isn't there.

So it takes no vision to see a guy 45 yards down the field and then throw a strike to him in perfect stride?I think this one writer is making a bigger deal out of it than it really is or the Matts would have written more about it than to just mention it in passing.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
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QUARTERBACK DUEL: Could this contest play out just the way it did during organized team activity practices? Over those workouts, Hill looked better in the early part of the spring. Then Alex Smith gradually took hold and finished up as the superior player. Early in camp, Hill has the lead in my view. He's getting rid of the ball fast, reading the defense quickly, and leading his receivers well.

However, Smith is excelling with the deep passing game. He did so Tuesday with a 40-yard spiral that hit Isaac Bruce in stride, a pass so pretty it would bring tears to your eyes. Smith said he just couldn't make that throw last summer. However, on the short and medium passes, Smith frequently shows a halting insecurity. Even on seven-on-seven drills, which are drills without a pass rush, Smith often takes a long time finding a receiver. You can almost see him straining through his progressions. Hill also throws a far more catchable ball, probably because he doesn't throw it nearly as hard. On Tuesday morning, Vernon Davis, Glen Coffee and Delanie Walker all made one-handed grabs off of Hill's throws.

Hmm that is troubling. Hopefully he gets better with that.

That said, those are some strong words to use though ("straining through progressions, halting insecurity...") etc...wouldnt the Matt's have mentioned something?

I think one of the Matts wrote that Singletary yelled out to Alex to gid rid of the ball quicker as it would have been a sack. Same old Alex, hurt shoulder or not, his vision just isn't there.

So it takes no vision to see a guy 45 yards down the field and then throw a strike to him in perfect stride?I think this one writer is making a bigger deal out of it than it really is or the Matts would have written more about it than to just mention it in passing.

Perfect solution: QB Custom Slot

On obvious &long passing downs bring in Alex.

Everything else, Hill.

Defense would know what's coming regardless...then we can also make them second guess.

Muahahahaha.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
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QUARTERBACK DUEL: Could this contest play out just the way it did during organized team activity practices? Over those workouts, Hill looked better in the early part of the spring. Then Alex Smith gradually took hold and finished up as the superior player. Early in camp, Hill has the lead in my view. He's getting rid of the ball fast, reading the defense quickly, and leading his receivers well.

However, Smith is excelling with the deep passing game. He did so Tuesday with a 40-yard spiral that hit Isaac Bruce in stride, a pass so pretty it would bring tears to your eyes. Smith said he just couldn't make that throw last summer. However, on the short and medium passes, Smith frequently shows a halting insecurity. Even on seven-on-seven drills, which are drills without a pass rush, Smith often takes a long time finding a receiver. You can almost see him straining through his progressions. Hill also throws a far more catchable ball, probably because he doesn't throw it nearly as hard. On Tuesday morning, Vernon Davis, Glen Coffee and Delanie Walker all made one-handed grabs off of Hill's throws.

Hmm that is troubling. Hopefully he gets better with that.

That said, those are some strong words to use though ("straining through progressions, halting insecurity...") etc...wouldnt the Matt's have mentioned something?

I think one of the Matts wrote that Singletary yelled out to Alex to gid rid of the ball quicker as it would have been a sack. Same old Alex, hurt shoulder or not, his vision just isn't there.

So it takes no vision to see a guy 45 yards down the field and then throw a strike to him in perfect stride?I think this one writer is making a bigger deal out of it than it really is or the Matts would have written more about it than to just mention it in passing.

If that is what the play is designed for, then you don't really need more than one progression, you just read the safety and chuck it on the feel of where the receiver and the timing is. You can't compare a long bomb to a throw between 5-15 yards.

I'm sure Singletary wouldn't be yelling it out if it was only a one time thing.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Joecool:
I still need to wait to see if Smith can do this when he's not perfectly set...you know...the way QBs throw 90% of the time in real games. Throws are rushed, throws are made off balance, etc.,...from the past, if Smith doesn't get a proper set, his accuracy blows.

Watching Hill, it seems that he almost never sets his feet or steps into his throws when he passes. Which could also be a cause for floating passes or lack of zip on passes.

Yes but most of the time, the ball gets where it needs to be.

Oh no I agree, all I'm saying is that maybe his arm-strength would improve a little if he did calm down and set his feet. It just seems he does a lot of pitter patter (Jeff Garcia Syndrome) with his feet that he forgets all about footwork.

I fixed that for you Kalohe

Kevin lynch is a hill fan and whenever you see him on cronical live on csn bay area you can tell hes biased. i wouldnt read too much into it.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
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QUARTERBACK DUEL: Could this contest play out just the way it did during organized team activity practices? Over those workouts, Hill looked better in the early part of the spring. Then Alex Smith gradually took hold and finished up as the superior player. Early in camp, Hill has the lead in my view. He's getting rid of the ball fast, reading the defense quickly, and leading his receivers well.

However, Smith is excelling with the deep passing game. He did so Tuesday with a 40-yard spiral that hit Isaac Bruce in stride, a pass so pretty it would bring tears to your eyes. Smith said he just couldn't make that throw last summer. However, on the short and medium passes, Smith frequently shows a halting insecurity. Even on seven-on-seven drills, which are drills without a pass rush, Smith often takes a long time finding a receiver. You can almost see him straining through his progressions. Hill also throws a far more catchable ball, probably because he doesn't throw it nearly as hard. On Tuesday morning, Vernon Davis, Glen Coffee and Delanie Walker all made one-handed grabs off of Hill's throws.

Hmm that is troubling. Hopefully he gets better with that.

That said, those are some strong words to use though ("straining through progressions, halting insecurity...") etc...wouldnt the Matt's have mentioned something?

I think one of the Matts wrote that Singletary yelled out to Alex to gid rid of the ball quicker as it would have been a sack. Same old Alex, hurt shoulder or not, his vision just isn't there.

So it takes no vision to see a guy 45 yards down the field and then throw a strike to him in perfect stride?I think this one writer is making a bigger deal out of it than it really is or the Matts would have written more about it than to just mention it in passing.

If that is what the play is designed for, then you don't really need more than one progression, you just read the safety and chuck it on the feel of where the receiver and the timing is. You can't compare a long bomb to a throw between 5-15 yards.

I'm sure Singletary wouldn't be yelling it out if it was only a one time thing.

Really? Really?

Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
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QUARTERBACK DUEL: Could this contest play out just the way it did during organized team activity practices? Over those workouts, Hill looked better in the early part of the spring. Then Alex Smith gradually took hold and finished up as the superior player. Early in camp, Hill has the lead in my view. He's getting rid of the ball fast, reading the defense quickly, and leading his receivers well.

However, Smith is excelling with the deep passing game. He did so Tuesday with a 40-yard spiral that hit Isaac Bruce in stride, a pass so pretty it would bring tears to your eyes. Smith said he just couldn't make that throw last summer. However, on the short and medium passes, Smith frequently shows a halting insecurity. Even on seven-on-seven drills, which are drills without a pass rush, Smith often takes a long time finding a receiver. You can almost see him straining through his progressions. Hill also throws a far more catchable ball, probably because he doesn't throw it nearly as hard. On Tuesday morning, Vernon Davis, Glen Coffee and Delanie Walker all made one-handed grabs off of Hill's throws.

Hmm that is troubling. Hopefully he gets better with that.

That said, those are some strong words to use though ("straining through progressions, halting insecurity...") etc...wouldnt the Matt's have mentioned something?

I think one of the Matts wrote that Singletary yelled out to Alex to gid rid of the ball quicker as it would have been a sack. Same old Alex, hurt shoulder or not, his vision just isn't there.

So it takes no vision to see a guy 45 yards down the field and then throw a strike to him in perfect stride?I think this one writer is making a bigger deal out of it than it really is or the Matts would have written more about it than to just mention it in passing.

If that is what the play is designed for, then you don't really need more than one progression, you just read the safety and chuck it on the feel of where the receiver and the timing is. You can't compare a long bomb to a throw between 5-15 yards.

I'm sure Singletary wouldn't be yelling it out if it was only a one time thing.

Really? Really?

kind of sort of

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Kevin lynch is a hill fan and whenever you see him on cronical live on csn bay area you can tell hes biased. i wouldnt read too much into it.

Neither would I,but some folks still want Hill to start even if he is not the best option.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Kevin lynch is a hill fan and whenever you see him on cronical live on csn bay area you can tell hes biased. i wouldnt read too much into it.

Exactly.

[ Edited by Jersey9er on Aug 4, 2009 at 15:21:21 ]

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
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QUARTERBACK DUEL: Could this contest play out just the way it did during organized team activity practices? Over those workouts, Hill looked better in the early part of the spring. Then Alex Smith gradually took hold and finished up as the superior player. Early in camp, Hill has the lead in my view. He's getting rid of the ball fast, reading the defense quickly, and leading his receivers well.

However, Smith is excelling with the deep passing game. He did so Tuesday with a 40-yard spiral that hit Isaac Bruce in stride, a pass so pretty it would bring tears to your eyes. Smith said he just couldn't make that throw last summer. However, on the short and medium passes, Smith frequently shows a halting insecurity. Even on seven-on-seven drills, which are drills without a pass rush, Smith often takes a long time finding a receiver. You can almost see him straining through his progressions. Hill also throws a far more catchable ball, probably because he doesn't throw it nearly as hard. On Tuesday morning, Vernon Davis, Glen Coffee and Delanie Walker all made one-handed grabs off of Hill's throws.

Hmm that is troubling. Hopefully he gets better with that.

That said, those are some strong words to use though ("straining through progressions, halting insecurity...") etc...wouldnt the Matt's have mentioned something?

I think one of the Matts wrote that Singletary yelled out to Alex to gid rid of the ball quicker as it would have been a sack. Same old Alex, hurt shoulder or not, his vision just isn't there.

Maybe you should wait and SEE FOR YOURSELF before coming to that conclusion.. Its Day 3 of TC and you're takin Lynch as the gospel.. Id expect the guy to take a little longer making reads in a semi new offense at the begining of TC, lol

[ Edited by Jordache49 on Aug 4, 2009 at 15:20:35 ]

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Kevin lynch is a hill fan and whenever you see him on cronical live on csn bay area you can tell hes biased. i wouldnt read too much into it.

Neither would I,but some folks still want Hill to start even if he is not the best option.

Let's see: Hill 7-3, 4 games above 0.500. Maybe he's a Niner fan that likes it when the Niners win.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Kevin lynch is a hill fan and whenever you see him on cronical live on csn bay area you can tell hes biased. i wouldnt read too much into it.

Neither would I,but some folks still want Hill to start even if he is not the best option.

Let's see: Hill 7-3, 4 games above 0.500. Maybe he's a Niner fan that likes it when the Niners win.

Nice try but that aint it.

when he first wrote on how well hill did, he almost praised him. i wrote in a comment come on be fair if your gonna critique one then do the other. and it was hilarious because in his next article at the bottom he said, almost exactly, it may seem like im all about hill, but i really didnt get to see much from smith being that i missed him throw, but he was the mvp for the afternoon session and he was better in the afternoon.

In my opinion as writers that hold more validity about our squad, i´d say it´s really both matts, and maybe one or two others. Because it was even funny how from jump street soo many articles about how smith missed that first few passes and got all boos, but no one talked about how hill did worse then that making only 1 of his first 4 throws, and smith made his final four passes, but both Matt´s.

Even some of the guys on here, smith looked good today, stretching the field almost every day, and the haters say hey still wobbly, ball too long, thinking too much, who cares it´s practice. Then hill makes passes and gets mentioned about throwing one deep ball thus far, and then yeah he´s the man, so accurate, gets it where it needs to be, but he threw some bad ones too and they don´t even mention those.

I say come on fellas, hill def gets props because he´s just doing what he always have, nothing more or less. But when the kid brings a new element which like it or not is the long ball, and those that say it doesnt matter are full of s**t. i say give the kid credit, hill lover or not.

Im gonna support whomever wins the competition when pre´season comes around but damn, it´s like some would be more happy if the headlines read, Alex is just plain horrible, can´t make a pass, no accuracy, no zip, etc. Some of ya´ll need to at least be fair and judge smith the same way you do hill. Some say hill wins games and this and that, well in my eyes he aint won s**t cause it´s training camp, and if i remember correctly, there are new lineman, receivers, and a new coordinator, and a brand new year.

If we were gonna go 100% off the so called job that hill saved at the end of the season, and ride that continuity train, then regardless of the excuses, he would of been made the starter from jump street. But thats isnt the case, Sing wants to see if we have someone that can do the same as hill, but bring the element of surprise, when not pounding the ball all the time.

Well, why should he watch Smith? We all know Hill is going to start. There's too much risk in starting Smith.

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Kevin lynch is a hill fan and whenever you see him on cronical live on csn bay area you can tell hes biased. i wouldnt read too much into it.

Neither would I,but some folks still want Hill to start even if he is not the best option.

Let's see: Hill 7-3, 4 games above 0.500. Maybe he's a Niner fan that likes it when the Niners win.

Nice try but that aint it.

when he first wrote on how well hill did, he almost praised him. i wrote in a comment come on be fair if your gonna critique one then do the other. and it was hilarious because in his next article at the bottom he said, almost exactly, it may seem like im all about hill, but i really didnt get to see much from smith being that i missed him throw, but he was the mvp for the afternoon session and he was better in the afternoon.

In my opinion as writers that hold more validity about our squad, i´d say it´s really both matts, and maybe one or two others. Because it was even funny how from jump street soo many articles about how smith missed that first few passes and got all boos, but no one talked about how hill did worse then that making only 1 of his first 4 throws, and smith made his final four passes, but both Matt´s.

Even some of the guys on here, smith looked good today, stretching the field almost every day, and the haters say hey still wobbly, ball too long, thinking too much, who cares it´s practice. Then hill makes passes and gets mentioned about throwing one deep ball thus far, and then yeah he´s the man, so accurate, gets it where it needs to be, but he threw some bad ones too and they don´t even mention those.

I say come on fellas, hill def gets props because he´s just doing what he always have, nothing more or less. But when the kid brings a new element which like it or not is the long ball, and those that say it doesnt matter are full of s**t. i say give the kid credit, hill lover or not.

Im gonna support whomever wins the competition when pre´season comes around but damn, it´s like some would be more happy if the headlines read, Alex is just plain horrible, can´t make a pass, no accuracy, no zip, etc. Some of ya´ll need to at least be fair and judge smith the same way you do hill. Some say hill wins games and this and that, well in my eyes he aint won s**t cause it´s training camp, and if i remember correctly, there are new lineman, receivers, and a new coordinator, and a brand new year.

If we were gonna go 100% off the so called job that hill saved at the end of the season, and ride that continuity train, then regardless of the excuses, he would of been made the starter from jump street. But thats isnt the case, Sing wants to see if we have someone that can do the same as hill, but bring the element of surprise, when not pounding the ball all the time.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Well, why should he watch Smith? We all know Hill is going to start. There's too much risk in starting Smith.

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Kevin lynch is a hill fan and whenever you see him on cronical live on csn bay area you can tell hes biased. i wouldnt read too much into it.

Neither would I,but some folks still want Hill to start even if he is not the best option.

Let's see: Hill 7-3, 4 games above 0.500. Maybe he's a Niner fan that likes it when the Niners win.

Nice try but that aint it.

when he first wrote on how well hill did, he almost praised him. i wrote in a comment come on be fair if your gonna critique one then do the other. and it was hilarious because in his next article at the bottom he said, almost exactly, it may seem like im all about hill, but i really didnt get to see much from smith being that i missed him throw, but he was the mvp for the afternoon session and he was better in the afternoon.

In my opinion as writers that hold more validity about our squad, i´d say it´s really both matts, and maybe one or two others. Because it was even funny how from jump street soo many articles about how smith missed that first few passes and got all boos, but no one talked about how hill did worse then that making only 1 of his first 4 throws, and smith made his final four passes, but both Matt´s.

Even some of the guys on here, smith looked good today, stretching the field almost every day, and the haters say hey still wobbly, ball too long, thinking too much, who cares it´s practice. Then hill makes passes and gets mentioned about throwing one deep ball thus far, and then yeah he´s the man, so accurate, gets it where it needs to be, but he threw some bad ones too and they don´t even mention those.

I say come on fellas, hill def gets props because he´s just doing what he always have, nothing more or less. But when the kid brings a new element which like it or not is the long ball, and those that say it doesnt matter are full of s**t. i say give the kid credit, hill lover or not.

Im gonna support whomever wins the competition when pre´season comes around but damn, it´s like some would be more happy if the headlines read, Alex is just plain horrible, can´t make a pass, no accuracy, no zip, etc. Some of ya´ll need to at least be fair and judge smith the same way you do hill. Some say hill wins games and this and that, well in my eyes he aint won s**t cause it´s training camp, and if i remember correctly, there are new lineman, receivers, and a new coordinator, and a brand new year.

If we were gonna go 100% off the so called job that hill saved at the end of the season, and ride that continuity train, then regardless of the excuses, he would of been made the starter from jump street. But thats isnt the case, Sing wants to see if we have someone that can do the same as hill, but bring the element of surprise, when not pounding the ball all the time.

And i think it´s and even greater risk and detrimental to the team if we are just going with hill because he seems to be the safer pick, like it or not. And if my memory serves me correctly isnt that being bias if he´s only paying attention to one and not the other?

[ Edited by Jersey9er on Aug 4, 2009 at 15:28:04 ]