QB Competition

Originally posted by JM13:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by JM13:
The way I see it is Micheal Vick has served his time and deserves another chance. First, Singletary is a no nosense coach who would keep Mike in line. Second, a move across the country would be the perfect place for Mike to start over. Third and most of all we have two backup Qb's who give us no chance of making the playoff's. So it's real simple if we want to make the playoffs, Vick is our best chance.

I strongly disagree with you there!

I am surprised you feel that way, you are one of the most level headed posters on this site, I would like to hear your feelings on Vick. I am sure you beleive he deserves another chance.

No only Alex Leaf deserves multiple chances, because he is such a nice guy

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by indianajim:

Originally posted by NinerNay20:
hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. You must be a PETA member because although Vick has spent nearly two years in the pen, even a blind man can see that his talent is far superior to that of any quarterback on our team.

I sure hope that was sarcasm. Even I know Shaun Hill is better in the NFL than that bum.

Sadly it wasn't sarcasm. This guy rides Vicks nuts harder than a gay cowboy in a man rodeo. Lets see you want to sign Vick as our QB why? Because he is clearly a dangerous passer...nope thats not it. Oh I know because he is a future HOF QB...nope thats not it. Hmm maybe because he took the Falcons to multiple SB victories....nope. Oh I know because he can run the ball....yup thats it. Because we all know the thing a QB should do best is run

Avoiding sacks with a line which has led the league in sacks allowed over the past two years SHOULD be important; never mind that Vick has more TD's and play-off wins than the 49ers entire group of current starting candidates. He is a play maker which is what this team needs most behind center.

Originally posted by JM13:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by JM13:
The way I see it is Micheal Vick has served his time and deserves another chance. First, Singletary is a no nosense coach who would keep Mike in line. Second, a move across the country would be the perfect place for Mike to start over. Third and most of all we have two backup Qb's who give us no chance of making the playoff's. So it's real simple if we want to make the playoffs, Vick is our best chance.

I strongly disagree with you there!

I am surprised you feel that way, you are one of the most level headed posters on this site, I would like to hear your feelings on Vick. I am sure you beleive he deserves another chance.

In my honest opinion, yes I do think Michael Vick should get another chance, but not with the San Francisco 49ers! Why bring all of that baggage and negative attention to our team? Do you really think we would be better with Michael Vick? I highly doubt he is in playing condition. He hasn't played in the NFL (or even been working out at the same level) for 2 years! Besides, GM Scot McCloughan and HC Mike Singletary are not in a safe position to take such a bold risk on Vick. A decision like that could cost them their jobs.

If it were up to me, I would stay far away from Michael Vick. I don't think he is any better than the QBs we currently have on our roster. We cannot even be guaranteed that Vick can still play at the same level as before!?? He is just as inconsistant as what we already have. I would rather have Shaun Hill or Alex Smith under center this season. (And YES, I am still an Alex Smith supporter.) Before his injury, Alex was really beginning to turn the corner in his career. I am excited to see him get a second oppertunity and I do think we will see him make a vast improvement. As fans, I still don't understand why some of the Webzone members don't want to see Alex succeed? If he can rebuild his career, it will make our team that much better!

I would be highly pissed off if Michael Vick got his second chance as a 49er over Alex Smith. Alex has shown nothing, but class and dignity throughout his whole career. Both Alex and Shaun bring more to this team than Vick in both leadership and physical ability.

It was also revealed earlier that Vick met with Roger Goodell today regarding his reinstatement. ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported that as early as next week, Commissioner Goodell will offer a "conditional reinstatement" to Vick back into the NFL. Vick is also expected to be suspended for the first 4 weeks of the 2009 season as part of the terms of his reinstatement. After further examination, Is signing Michael Vick really worth it?

ESPN.com

I don't think so!

Originally posted by ttime1:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by indianajim:

Originally posted by NinerNay20:
hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. You must be a PETA member because although Vick has spent nearly two years in the pen, even a blind man can see that his talent is far superior to that of any quarterback on our team.

I sure hope that was sarcasm. Even I know Shaun Hill is better in the NFL than that bum.

Sadly it wasn't sarcasm. This guy rides Vicks nuts harder than a gay cowboy in a man rodeo. Lets see you want to sign Vick as our QB why? Because he is clearly a dangerous passer...nope thats not it. Oh I know because he is a future HOF QB...nope thats not it. Hmm maybe because he took the Falcons to multiple SB victories....nope. Oh I know because he can run the ball....yup thats it. Because we all know the thing a QB should do best is run

Avoiding sacks with a line which has led the league in sacks allowed over the past two years SHOULD be important; never mind that Vick has more TD's and play-off wins than the 49ers entire group of current starting candidates. He is a play maker which is what this team needs most behind center.

I'm sorry but Vick didn't get to the playoffs on his passing abilities. He was a big part of the best rushing attack and he also had a solid defense behind him.

We don't need a playmaker behind center, we need a quarterback.

-9fA

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by ttime1:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by indianajim:

Originally posted by NinerNay20:
hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. You must be a PETA member because although Vick has spent nearly two years in the pen, even a blind man can see that his talent is far superior to that of any quarterback on our team.

I sure hope that was sarcasm. Even I know Shaun Hill is better in the NFL than that bum.

Sadly it wasn't sarcasm. This guy rides Vicks nuts harder than a gay cowboy in a man rodeo. Lets see you want to sign Vick as our QB why? Because he is clearly a dangerous passer...nope thats not it. Oh I know because he is a future HOF QB...nope thats not it. Hmm maybe because he took the Falcons to multiple SB victories....nope. Oh I know because he can run the ball....yup thats it. Because we all know the thing a QB should do best is run

Avoiding sacks with a line which has led the league in sacks allowed over the past two years SHOULD be important; never mind that Vick has more TD's and play-off wins than the 49ers entire group of current starting candidates. He is a play maker which is what this team needs most behind center.

I'm sorry but Vick didn't get to the playoffs on his passing abilities. He was a big part of the best rushing attack and he also had a solid defense behind him.

We don't need a playmaker behind center, we need a quarterback.

-9fA

I have to disagree. We need a quarterback who can make plays.

So we do need a playmaker, but the "who" remains to be seen -- we'll have to see if it could be Alex or Shaun, who've both made some great plays, or someone else.

^^ Yeah i want a playmaker as well, but at the expense of everything else?

Would you want say Vince Young?

-9fA

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
^^ Yeah i want a playmaker as well, but at the expense of everything else?

Would you want say Vince Young?

-9fA

No, Vince Young quit on his teammates. Who is to say he will not do that again?

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by JM13:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by JM13:
The way I see it is Micheal Vick has served his time and deserves another chance. First, Singletary is a no nosense coach who would keep Mike in line. Second, a move across the country would be the perfect place for Mike to start over. Third and most of all we have two backup Qb's who give us no chance of making the playoff's. So it's real simple if we want to make the playoffs, Vick is our best chance.

I strongly disagree with you there!

I am surprised you feel that way, you are one of the most level headed posters on this site, I would like to hear your feelings on Vick. I am sure you beleive he deserves another chance.

In my honest opinion, yes I do think Michael Vick should get another chance, but not with the San Francisco 49ers! Why bring all of that baggage and negative attention to our team? Do you really think we would be better with Michael Vick? I highly doubt he is in playing condition. He hasn't played in the NFL (or even been working out at the same level) for 2 years! Besides, GM Scot McCloughan and HC Mike Singletary are not in a safe position to take such a bold risk on Vick. A decision like that could cost them their jobs.

If it were up to me, I would stay far away from Michael Vick. I don't think he is any better than the QBs we currently have on our roster. We cannot even be guaranteed that Vick can still play at the same level as before!?? He is just as inconsistant as what we already have. I would rather have Shaun Hill or Alex Smith under center this season. (And YES, I am still an Alex Smith supporter.) Before his injury, Alex was really beginning to turn the corner in his career. I am excited to see him get a second oppertunity and I do think we will see him make a vast improvement. As fans, I still don't understand why some of the Webzone members don't want to see Alex succeed? If he can rebuild his career, it will make our team that much better!

I would be highly pissed off if Michael Vick got his second chance as a 49er over Alex Smith. Alex has shown nothing, but class and dignity throughout his whole career. Both Alex and Shaun bring more to this team than Vick in both leadership and physical ability.

It was also revealed earlier that Vick met with Roger Goodell today regarding his reinstatement. ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported that as early as next week, Commissioner Goodell will offer a "conditional reinstatement" to Vick back into the NFL. Vick is also expected to be suspended for the first 4 weeks of the 2009 season as part of the terms of his reinstatement. After further examination, Is signing Michael Vick really worth it?

ESPN.com

I don't think so!

Sorry, you have lost your mind if you think that Shaun or Alex brings more talent and leadership than Vick. Vick has more physical attributes in his baby toe than the both of them together and has more experience.

Apparently you don't know many people who have been released from incarceration. He is very likely in the best shape of his professional career. He has not taken a hit in two years and has probably been working out religiously. And although I do give Shaun and Alex credit for facing adversity; they have never faced the level of adversity that Vick has. If there was only one choice between the three; I guarantee you that every team on the planet would select Vick over a career back up and often injured unproven commodity.

And to say that his play-off victories occurred only because of his ability to run ignores the fact that their first touchdown against Green Bay was a pass:

1st Quarter
ATL TD SHAWN JEFFERSON 10 YD PASS FROM MICHAEL VICK (JAY FEELY KICK), 5:43
Drive: 10 plays, 76 yards in 5:43
Key Plays:
McCord 18-yard run to Atlanta 43
Vick 17-yard pass to Dunn to Green Bay 40
Dunn 12-yard run to Green Bay 28
Vick 4-yard run on 3rd-and-2 to Green Bay 16
ATLANTA 7-0
ATL TD ARTIE ULMER 1 YD RETURN OF BLOCKED PUNT (JAY FEELY KICK), 8:22
ATLANTA 14-0
2nd Quarter
ATL TD T.J. DUCKETT 6 YD RUN (JAY FEELY KICK), 2:54
Drive: 4 plays, 21 yards in 2:30
Key Plays:
Layne recovery of Williams muffed punt at Green Bay 21
Vick 9-yard pass to Dunn to Green Bay 22
Vick 9-yard pass to Crumpler to Green Bay 13
Duckett 7-yard run on 3rd-and-1 to Green Bay 6
ATLANTA 21-0
ATL FG JAY FEELY 22 YD, 15:00
Drive: 16 plays, 90 yards in 6:34
Key Plays:
Duckett 13-yard run to Atlanta 18
Dunn 21-yard run to Atlanta 39
Vick 12-yard run to Green Bay 46
Vick 11-yard run on 3rd-and-3 to Green Bay 28
Duckett 15-yard run to Green Bay 13
Vick 6-yard pass to Finneran on 3rd-and-4 to Green Bay 1
ATLANTA 24-0

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
^^ Yeah i want a playmaker as well, but at the expense of everything else? Would you want say Vince Young? -9fA

rather have vy than vick. vy is younger, in better shape and hes more talented. he also doesnt bring the baggage that vick does. why not give vy a shot if smith/hill flop and vince becomes available?

Originally posted by ttime1:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by JM13:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by JM13:
The way I see it is Micheal Vick has served his time and deserves another chance. First, Singletary is a no nosense coach who would keep Mike in line. Second, a move across the country would be the perfect place for Mike to start over. Third and most of all we have two backup Qb's who give us no chance of making the playoff's. So it's real simple if we want to make the playoffs, Vick is our best chance.

I strongly disagree with you there!

I am surprised you feel that way, you are one of the most level headed posters on this site, I would like to hear your feelings on Vick. I am sure you beleive he deserves another chance.

In my honest opinion, yes I do think Michael Vick should get another chance, but not with the San Francisco 49ers! Why bring all of that baggage and negative attention to our team? Do you really think we would be better with Michael Vick? I highly doubt he is in playing condition. He hasn't played in the NFL (or even been working out at the same level) for 2 years! Besides, GM Scot McCloughan and HC Mike Singletary are not in a safe position to take such a bold risk on Vick. A decision like that could cost them their jobs.

If it were up to me, I would stay far away from Michael Vick. I don't think he is any better than the QBs we currently have on our roster. We cannot even be guaranteed that Vick can still play at the same level as before!?? He is just as inconsistant as what we already have. I would rather have Shaun Hill or Alex Smith under center this season. (And YES, I am still an Alex Smith supporter.) Before his injury, Alex was really beginning to turn the corner in his career. I am excited to see him get a second oppertunity and I do think we will see him make a vast improvement. As fans, I still don't understand why some of the Webzone members don't want to see Alex succeed? If he can rebuild his career, it will make our team that much better!

I would be highly pissed off if Michael Vick got his second chance as a 49er over Alex Smith. Alex has shown nothing, but class and dignity throughout his whole career. Both Alex and Shaun bring more to this team than Vick in both leadership and physical ability.

It was also revealed earlier that Vick met with Roger Goodell today regarding his reinstatement. ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported that as early as next week, Commissioner Goodell will offer a "conditional reinstatement" to Vick back into the NFL. Vick is also expected to be suspended for the first 4 weeks of the 2009 season as part of the terms of his reinstatement. After further examination, Is signing Michael Vick really worth it?

ESPN.com

I don't think so!

Sorry, you have lost your mind if you think that Shaun or Alex brings more talent and leadership than Vick. Vick has more physical attributes in his baby toe than the both of them together and has more experience.

Apparently you don't know many people who have been released from incarceration. He is very likely in the best shape of his professional career. He has not taken a hit in two years and has probably been working out religiously. And although I do give Shaun and Alex credit for facing adversity; they have never faced the level of adversity that Vick has. If there was only one choice between the three; I guarantee you that every team on the planet would select Vick over a career back up and often injured unproven commodity.

And to say that his play-off victories occurred only because of his ability to run ignores the fact that their first touchdown against Green Bay was a pass:

1st Quarter
ATL TD SHAWN JEFFERSON 10 YD PASS FROM MICHAEL VICK (JAY FEELY KICK), 5:43
Drive: 10 plays, 76 yards in 5:43
Key Plays:
McCord 18-yard run to Atlanta 43
Vick 17-yard pass to Dunn to Green Bay 40
Dunn 12-yard run to Green Bay 28
Vick 4-yard run on 3rd-and-2 to Green Bay 16
ATLANTA 7-0
ATL TD ARTIE ULMER 1 YD RETURN OF BLOCKED PUNT (JAY FEELY KICK), 8:22
ATLANTA 14-0
2nd Quarter
ATL TD T.J. DUCKETT 6 YD RUN (JAY FEELY KICK), 2:54
Drive: 4 plays, 21 yards in 2:30
Key Plays:
Layne recovery of Williams muffed punt at Green Bay 21
Vick 9-yard pass to Dunn to Green Bay 22
Vick 9-yard pass to Crumpler to Green Bay 13
Duckett 7-yard run on 3rd-and-1 to Green Bay 6
ATLANTA 21-0
ATL FG JAY FEELY 22 YD, 15:00
Drive: 16 plays, 90 yards in 6:34
Key Plays:
Duckett 13-yard run to Atlanta 18
Dunn 21-yard run to Atlanta 39
Vick 12-yard run to Green Bay 46
Vick 11-yard run on 3rd-and-3 to Green Bay 28
Duckett 15-yard run to Green Bay 13
Vick 6-yard pass to Finneran on 3rd-and-4 to Green Bay 1
ATLANTA 24-0

I meant at this point. We don't even know what kind of physical condition Michael Vick is in? I would bet that he's not in the best shape of his career. Atleast not football shape I mean. I doubt he can perform at his previous level. Are you telling me that you would want Michael Vick on this team? (Even with all his off the field issues and negative press that it would bring.) That is the exact opposite of what Coach Singletary would want on this team! I don't want that on my 49ers.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
^^ Yeah i want a playmaker as well, but at the expense of everything else? Would you want say Vince Young? -9fA

rather have vy than vick. vy is younger, in better shape and hes more talented. he also doesnt bring the baggage that vick does. why not give vy a shot if smith/hill flop and vince becomes available?

Vince Young doesn't have the heart or the competitive desire to play football. He has mental issues.

Neither one of them is better than the other in my eyes.

And you're going to have to redesign the offense because neither of them are pure pocket passers or even pass first quarterbacks. The only you way you're going to get any production out of either of them is if you make them the focal point.

If Smith and Hill flop, we're going to be looking at a top 5 pick next season and a franchise QB again.

-9fA

Yeah youre right. if shaun and alex flop we can nab snead, mccoy, bradford, etc. i like both of our guys more than vick though. alex throws the ball really well, and if hes fixed some of his footwork and makes quicker decisions he can really really be a good player imo. and shaun can really march a team up and down the field and hes an accurate passer, which vick isnt. i dont see how vick makes us a better passing team.

To be honest fellas one thing does intrigue me about once again some of our fans. We have three qb´s, smith, hill, and davis, that i truly consider as a solid player if everything pans out. Huard, he´s a vet and i look at him as the dilfer in this picture, nothing more or less. But now we are talking about Michael Vick. I swore that book was closed a while ago when the niners officially came out and said they were not interested.

We already have a competition, to hope the better man win. He´s been out of the league for soo long that, yes he may still have the abilities, but i think it´ll take at least a year or two to get his swagger back. And thats if he every truly recovered from prison. And not soo much physically but mentally. Now i do believe he does deserve a second chance, and honestly if years down the road we want to go after him fine. But i say damn, cant we concentrate on what we have now.

Some people say how we have to get the ball rolling, and get our offense and defense straight, well even talking about adding another qb is a set back in my opinion. some of you that are supporting vick especially for our team are slapping, smith, hill, and davis in the face saying hey you all suck, lets bring in vick.

Less than a week away, and the journey of what we may become is gonna heat up pretty fast. How about we just ride that train to some of you and leave vick to vick. this post is about a qb competition between our two qb´s, lets keep the vick non-sense in another post, maybe titling, who wants vick if it makes some of you soo gung ho to have him. Lets keep this post right where it is, focused on the qb´s for our team.

Dont forget fellas it´s Go Niners:) Not Go niners until we can see if we can get vick.

The Niners have two first round picks in the next draft and there are people around here who think they should try to get Vick???!!!

Some of the posters around here are just flat-out nuts.

Originally posted by BrodieFan:
The Niners have two first round picks in the next draft and there are people around here who think they should try to get Vick???!!!

Some of the posters around here are just flat-out nuts.

Let it go man...this place will make you looney...

I have to pick who I interact with because some are just not worth it. Others who push the right buttons will be approached whether those buttons are good or bad. I am with you though in thinking why would you want him, but there are some that do.

I believe that after this season plays out, Smith will regain the job. Hill will become our second and Davis will be developed as our leader of the future. At least, that is what I hope. Why? So we can use our two 1st rounders on two players instead of just one QB.

I so want an NT next year!!!! Seriously!!!!

I think we just may have our future on the roster already no matter what all my other "misanALEXdrist" (haters of all Alex-kind) say.