QB Competition

Originally posted by NinerNay20:

Originally posted by indianajim:

Originally posted by NinerNay20:
hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. You must be a PETA member because although Vick has spent nearly two years in the pen, even a blind man can see that his talent is far superior to that of any quarterback on our team.

I sure hope that was sarcasm. Even I know Shaun Hill is better in the NFL than that bum.

No sarcasm. While I don't know you or how much you know about football, I do know that Vick's on the field talent has never been a matter of question. Unlike Shaun Hill, who is currently entrenched in a heated quarterback competition with the legendary Alex Smith (there's your sarcasm).

If you like Vick so much and dislike Smith so much, howcome Vick has made Smith's 2006 rating his own career average? I'll say this for Mike Vick: Dude is consistent.

Originally posted by indianajim:

Originally posted by NinerNay20:

Originally posted by indianajim:

Originally posted by NinerNay20:
hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. You must be a PETA member because although Vick has spent nearly two years in the pen, even a blind man can see that his talent is far superior to that of any quarterback on our team.

I sure hope that was sarcasm. Even I know Shaun Hill is better in the NFL than that bum.

No sarcasm. While I don't know you or how much you know about football, I do know that Vick's on the field talent has never been a matter of question. Unlike Shaun Hill, who is currently entrenched in a heated quarterback competition with the legendary Alex Smith (there's your sarcasm).

If you like Vick so much and dislike Smith so much, howcome Vick has made Smith's 2006 rating his own career average? I'll say this for Mike Vick: Dude is consistent.

Contrary to your assumption, I like all of our players. In fact, I am hoping Alex Smith is named the starter by the third pre-season game. IMHO he has more upside, better intangibles, and a stronger arm. I think Shaun Hill is a gutsy warrior who will do whatever it takes to win. But frankly, his lack of a deep ball makes it too easy for defenses to put 8 men in the box and minimize the effectiveness of our best offensive player, Frank Gore.
Now if we’re taking statistics into consideration, Alex Smith has had one good season in his 4 year career (in statistics, what we call an outlier). That would be in 2006, where he had a QB rating of 74.8 with 2,890 passing yards and 16 passing TD’s. Michael Vick's’ career QB rating is better than that at 75.7 and in 2006, his last season but not his best; he had a QB rating of 75.7 with 2,474 passing yards and 20 passing TD’s (not even counting his record setting rushing numbers). O and not to mention, Vick led the Falcons to the playoffs twice, including a conference championship game, has three Pro Bowl appearances, and ranks third among quarterbacks all-time in career rushing yards. So yes, Vick is a consistent above average passer with a couple of playoff appearances while Alex Smith is a consistent on the injury report with one good season (blame Nolan all you want).
Whether or not he is slime or a bum, I don’t think is for any of us to judge. He made a huge mistake, and undoubtedly has paid the price. Now he has the same right as every free man to make an honest living without prejudice. Coach Sing has made it clear he agrees with that.
I am a realist and realize that we have to make the best of what we have. But to say that Vick's’ talent wouldn’t be an upgrade to our QB position is incorrect. The reality is Vick will play football in the NFL again and will make a team better. Why not ours? He probably won’t cost us more than Nate Davis.

Originally posted by oldman9er:
1. Vick is slime
2. Vick is a below average passer
3. Vick, if even reinstated, will miss too much TC/preseason to be useful to any team
4. Vick, at this point, is not any better than the Alex or Shaun
5. Vick would be a disaster for SF

Wow. Thats some blind love for a bust in Alex Leaf. Anybody can see Vick has more talent in his elbow than any QB on the 49ers(not sure about Davis though he may surprise). I wonder if Vick were white if the tables would be different.

Put the Dog fighting crap away. Vick has been getting over criticized since day one. Yet he is the main reason the Falcons went to the NFC Championship without ANY receivers. He had a friggin TE that can catch and that was it.

Not just Vick but ANY black QB there always something negative to say. McNabb is by far an Elite QB yet gets dogged alot. Yet another QB who has no receivers and continued to make it to NFC championship games. Funny thing when he did get a solid receiver he went to the superbowl.

Yet you have people on here loving Alex Leaf and want to give him 20 billion chances for what? Potential that he cant relay on field? Because he is such a nice guy? I wonder if we had McNabb and he had the same situation Alex Leaf had. You all would call him a bust and that would be end of story.

Fact is we have a garbage QB in Leaf and any chance of upgrading the QB position would be the best thing for a team. That is all we are missing is a QB. Shaun Hill definitely serviceable and would be my #1 back up any day. If we can get Vick, take him.

Originally posted by NinerNay20:

Originally posted by indianajim:

Originally posted by NinerNay20:
hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. You must be a PETA member because although Vick has spent nearly two years in the pen, even a blind man can see that his talent is far superior to that of any quarterback on our team.

I sure hope that was sarcasm. Even I know Shaun Hill is better in the NFL than that bum.

No sarcasm. While I don't know you or how much you know about football, I do know that Vick's on the field talent has never been a matter of question. Unlike Shaun Hill, who is currently entrenched in a heated quarterback competition with the legendary Alex Smith (there's your sarcasm).

Dont get me wrong I like Shaun Hill. But if we could get Vick I would move on. The Legendary Alex Smith part had me rolling.

Originally posted by 49er4eva:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
1. Vick is slime
2. Vick is a below average passer
3. Vick, if even reinstated, will miss too much TC/preseason to be useful to any team
4. Vick, at this point, is not any better than the Alex or Shaun
5. Vick would be a disaster for SF

Wow. Thats some blind love for a bust in Alex Leaf. Anybody can see Vick has more talent in his elbow than any QB on the 49ers(not sure about Davis though he may surprise). I wonder if Vick were white if the tables would be different.

Put the Dog fighting crap away. Vick has been getting over criticized since day one. Yet he is the main reason the Falcons went to the NFC Championship without ANY receivers. He had a friggin TE that can catch and that was it.

Not just Vick but ANY black QB there always something negative to say. McNabb is by far an Elite QB yet gets dogged alot. Yet another QB who has no receivers and continued to make it to NFC championship games. Funny thing when he did get a solid receiver he went to the superbowl.

Yet you have people on here loving Alex Leaf and want to give him 20 billion chances for what? Potential that he cant relay on field? Because he is such a nice guy? I wonder if we had McNabb and he had the same situation Alex Leaf had. You all would call him a bust and that would be end of story.

Fact is we have a garbage QB in Leaf and any chance of upgrading the QB position would be the best thing for a team. That is all we are missing is a QB. Shaun Hill definitely serviceable and would be my #1 back up any day. If we can get Vick, take him.

I do not want anyone making decisions on my team that cannot make good decisions in life,and that is Vick to a T.He has a history of doing stupid things going all the way back to his college days.Even after it came to light he was financing a dog fighting ring,he was cocky and arrogant and thought he was gonna walk.You remember the clip of him walking through the airport where he said"No matter what I do,people are always gonna love Mike Vick"?That shows what kind of person the jackass is.To be fair it is probably more the fault of the people that raised him and covered for him when he f**ked up just because he was an athlete.I bet it was a shock when he was held accountable for his actions for the first time in his life.To even mention Vick in the same sentence with McNabb is an insult to one of the better QB's playing today.Vick is nowhere near the QB that Mcnabb is,and your trying to compare the two is ludicrous.You can have your criminal,I would rather have either of the QB's we will end up with over him even if he wasn't a convicted felon.You can call Smith a bust all you want(right or wrong is yet to be determined),but Vick is a bust in the more important game of life.He had it all handed to him on a silver platter and the moron threw it away to fight dogs.He is too stupid to be a niner,plain and simple.Your support of him speaks none to well of you yourself,or your knowledge of the game.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by 49er4eva:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
1. Vick is slime
2. Vick is a below average passer
3. Vick, if even reinstated, will miss too much TC/preseason to be useful to any team
4. Vick, at this point, is not any better than the Alex or Shaun
5. Vick would be a disaster for SF

Wow. Thats some blind love for a bust in Alex Leaf. Anybody can see Vick has more talent in his elbow than any QB on the 49ers(not sure about Davis though he may surprise). I wonder if Vick were white if the tables would be different.

Put the Dog fighting crap away. Vick has been getting over criticized since day one. Yet he is the main reason the Falcons went to the NFC Championship without ANY receivers. He had a friggin TE that can catch and that was it.

Not just Vick but ANY black QB there always something negative to say. McNabb is by far an Elite QB yet gets dogged alot. Yet another QB who has no receivers and continued to make it to NFC championship games. Funny thing when he did get a solid receiver he went to the superbowl.

Yet you have people on here loving Alex Leaf and want to give him 20 billion chances for what? Potential that he cant relay on field? Because he is such a nice guy? I wonder if we had McNabb and he had the same situation Alex Leaf had. You all would call him a bust and that would be end of story.

Fact is we have a garbage QB in Leaf and any chance of upgrading the QB position would be the best thing for a team. That is all we are missing is a QB. Shaun Hill definitely serviceable and would be my #1 back up any day. If we can get Vick, take him.

I do not want anyone making decisions on my team that cannot make good decisions in life,and that is Vick to a T.He has a history of doing stupid things going all the way back to his college days.Even after it came to light he was financing a dog fighting ring,he was cocky and arrogant and thought he was gonna walk.You remember the clip of him walking through the airport where he said"No matter what I do,people are always gonna love Mike Vick"?That shows what kind of person the jackass is.To be fair it is probably more the fault of the people that raised him and covered for him when he f**ked up just because he was an athlete.I bet it was a shock when he was held accountable for his actions for the first time in his life.To even mention Vick in the same sentence with McNabb is an insult to one of the better QB's playing today.Vick is nowhere near the QB that Mcnabb is,and your trying to compare the two is ludicrous.You can have your criminal,I would rather have either of the QB's we will end up with over him even if he wasn't a convicted felon.You can call Smith a bust all you want(right or wrong is yet to be determined),but Vick is a bust in the more important game of life.He had it all handed to him on a silver platter and the moron threw it away to fight dogs.He is too stupid to be a niner,plain and simple.Your support of him speaks none to well of you yourself,or your knowledge of the game.

Who anointed you the judge of moral righteousness?

So yes, he made a bonehead decision to fight dogs. The man has paid his debt to society and in the eyes of the law is now as free as you or I.

I guess one who fights dogs is that much different from the several duck, deer or fish killers who permeate the NFL and our society. Just ask PETA if they see any difference between those.

My support of Michael Vick does reflect upon my character. It reflects that I am willing to forgive a man for fighting dogs and give him a second chance to redeem himself. It reflects that I am not willing to keep a personal vendetta against a man for something that has not personally caused me, nor any other man for that fact, any harm. Pardon me for not wishing failure upon a one time convicted felon (newsflash: he’s not the only one time felon in the NFL). However, as to your unwavering support for two QB’s who have never as much as led our team to a wild card appearance, that clearly reflects upon your knowledge of the game.

Can we get away the Michael Vick discussions? He isn't even on our roster. What does Vick have to do with the 49ers QB competition?

Originally posted by NinerNay20:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by 49er4eva:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
1. Vick is slime
2. Vick is a below average passer
3. Vick, if even reinstated, will miss too much TC/preseason to be useful to any team
4. Vick, at this point, is not any better than the Alex or Shaun
5. Vick would be a disaster for SF

Wow. Thats some blind love for a bust in Alex Leaf. Anybody can see Vick has more talent in his elbow than any QB on the 49ers(not sure about Davis though he may surprise). I wonder if Vick were white if the tables would be different.

Put the Dog fighting crap away. Vick has been getting over criticized since day one. Yet he is the main reason the Falcons went to the NFC Championship without ANY receivers. He had a friggin TE that can catch and that was it.

Not just Vick but ANY black QB there always something negative to say. McNabb is by far an Elite QB yet gets dogged alot. Yet another QB who has no receivers and continued to make it to NFC championship games. Funny thing when he did get a solid receiver he went to the superbowl.

Yet you have people on here loving Alex Leaf and want to give him 20 billion chances for what? Potential that he cant relay on field? Because he is such a nice guy? I wonder if we had McNabb and he had the same situation Alex Leaf had. You all would call him a bust and that would be end of story.

Fact is we have a garbage QB in Leaf and any chance of upgrading the QB position would be the best thing for a team. That is all we are missing is a QB. Shaun Hill definitely serviceable and would be my #1 back up any day. If we can get Vick, take him.

I do not want anyone making decisions on my team that cannot make good decisions in life,and that is Vick to a T.He has a history of doing stupid things going all the way back to his college days.Even after it came to light he was financing a dog fighting ring,he was cocky and arrogant and thought he was gonna walk.You remember the clip of him walking through the airport where he said"No matter what I do,people are always gonna love Mike Vick"?That shows what kind of person the jackass is.To be fair it is probably more the fault of the people that raised him and covered for him when he f**ked up just because he was an athlete.I bet it was a shock when he was held accountable for his actions for the first time in his life.To even mention Vick in the same sentence with McNabb is an insult to one of the better QB's playing today.Vick is nowhere near the QB that Mcnabb is,and your trying to compare the two is ludicrous.You can have your criminal,I would rather have either of the QB's we will end up with over him even if he wasn't a convicted felon.You can call Smith a bust all you want(right or wrong is yet to be determined),but Vick is a bust in the more important game of life.He had it all handed to him on a silver platter and the moron threw it away to fight dogs.He is too stupid to be a niner,plain and simple.Your support of him speaks none to well of you yourself,or your knowledge of the game.

Who anointed you the judge of moral righteousness?

So yes, he made a bonehead decision to fight dogs. The man has paid his debt to society and in the eyes of the law is now as free as you or I.

I guess one who fights dogs is that much different from the several duck, deer or fish killers who permeate the NFL and our society. Just ask PETA if they see any difference between those.

My support of Michael Vick does reflect upon my character. It reflects that I am willing to forgive a man for fighting dogs and give him a second chance to redeem himself. It reflects that I am not willing to keep a personal vendetta against a man for something that has not personally caused me, nor any other man for that fact, any harm. Pardon me for not wishing failure upon a one time convicted felon (newsflash: he’s not the only one time felon in the NFL). However, as to your unwavering support for two QB’s who have never as much as led our team to a wild card appearance, that clearly reflects upon your knowledge of the game.

That you do not recognize that the Falcons had more talent than the Niners teams of late makes your judgment of football knowledge irrelevant.You support of Vick says that you do not care if a guy is a moron incapable of making good decisions as long as he can run fast.I am not wishing failure on anyone,dunno where you got that from.I am just saying the guy is too dumb for me to want him on a team I care about.Also,before you even go there,playing in the NFL is not a right,it is a privilege,and if Vick never plays again,it is his own fault.I have no personal vendetta against Vick,he is just too stupid for me to want on my team.You can try to equate dog fighting to hunting and or fishing but we all know that there is a difference.(I do not do either for the record,and I could care less what PETA thinks).My "unwavering support" extends to all the players on this team because I am a Niner fan.As for Vick leading a team to the playoffs,he wouldn't have fared any better than the QB's we have now in the same situation that they have been in,he is not as good a QB as either,his team got him to the playoffs,not the other way around.

What does this have to do with the topic of this thread anyway?

He can run fast, but he don't throw the ball too good.

The way I see it is Micheal Vick has served his time and deserves another chance. First, Singletary is a no nosense coach who would keep Mike in line. Second, a move across the country would be the perfect place for Mike to start over. Third and most of all we have two backup Qb's who give us no chance of making the playoff's. So it's real simple if we want to make the playoffs, Vick is our best chance.

Originally posted by JM13:
The way I see it is Micheal Vick has served his time and deserves another chance. First, Singletary is a no nosense coach who would keep Mike in line. Second, a move across the country would be the perfect place for Mike to start over. Third and most of all we have two backup Qb's who give us no chance of making the playoff's. So it's real simple if we want to make the playoffs, Vick is our best chance.

I strongly disagree with you there!

Originally posted by NinerNay20:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by NinerNay20:
Sign Vick. The answer to all our questions.

god no!

hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. You must be a PETA member because although Vick has spent nearly two years in the pen, even a blind man can see that his talent is far superior to that of any quarterback on our team.

Originally posted by indianajim:

Originally posted by NinerNay20:
hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. You must be a PETA member because although Vick has spent nearly two years in the pen, even a blind man can see that his talent is far superior to that of any quarterback on our team.

I sure hope that was sarcasm. Even I know Shaun Hill is better in the NFL than that bum.

Sadly it wasn't sarcasm. This guy rides Vicks nuts harder than a gay cowboy in a man rodeo. Lets see you want to sign Vick as our QB why? Because he is clearly a dangerous passer...nope thats not it. Oh I know because he is a future HOF QB...nope thats not it. Hmm maybe because he took the Falcons to multiple SB victories....nope. Oh I know because he can run the ball....yup thats it. Because we all know the thing a QB should do best is run

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by JM13:
The way I see it is Micheal Vick has served his time and deserves another chance. First, Singletary is a no nosense coach who would keep Mike in line. Second, a move across the country would be the perfect place for Mike to start over. Third and most of all we have two backup Qb's who give us no chance of making the playoff's. So it's real simple if we want to make the playoffs, Vick is our best chance.

I strongly disagree with you there!

I am surprised you feel that way, you are one of the most level headed posters on this site, I would like to hear your feelings on Vick. I am sure you beleive he deserves another chance.

Originally posted by NinerNay20:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by 49er4eva:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
1. Vick is slime
2. Vick is a below average passer
3. Vick, if even reinstated, will miss too much TC/preseason to be useful to any team
4. Vick, at this point, is not any better than the Alex or Shaun
5. Vick would be a disaster for SF

Wow. Thats some blind love for a bust in Alex Leaf. Anybody can see Vick has more talent in his elbow than any QB on the 49ers(not sure about Davis though he may surprise). I wonder if Vick were white if the tables would be different.

Put the Dog fighting crap away. Vick has been getting over criticized since day one. Yet he is the main reason the Falcons went to the NFC Championship without ANY receivers. He had a friggin TE that can catch and that was it.

Not just Vick but ANY black QB there always something negative to say. McNabb is by far an Elite QB yet gets dogged alot. Yet another QB who has no receivers and continued to make it to NFC championship games. Funny thing when he did get a solid receiver he went to the superbowl.

Yet you have people on here loving Alex Leaf and want to give him 20 billion chances for what? Potential that he cant relay on field? Because he is such a nice guy? I wonder if we had McNabb and he had the same situation Alex Leaf had. You all would call him a bust and that would be end of story.

Fact is we have a garbage QB in Leaf and any chance of upgrading the QB position would be the best thing for a team. That is all we are missing is a QB. Shaun Hill definitely serviceable and would be my #1 back up any day. If we can get Vick, take him.

I do not want anyone making decisions on my team that cannot make good decisions in life,and that is Vick to a T.He has a history of doing stupid things going all the way back to his college days.Even after it came to light he was financing a dog fighting ring,he was cocky and arrogant and thought he was gonna walk.You remember the clip of him walking through the airport where he said"No matter what I do,people are always gonna love Mike Vick"?That shows what kind of person the jackass is.To be fair it is probably more the fault of the people that raised him and covered for him when he f**ked up just because he was an athlete.I bet it was a shock when he was held accountable for his actions for the first time in his life.To even mention Vick in the same sentence with McNabb is an insult to one of the better QB's playing today.Vick is nowhere near the QB that Mcnabb is,and your trying to compare the two is ludicrous.You can have your criminal,I would rather have either of the QB's we will end up with over him even if he wasn't a convicted felon.You can call Smith a bust all you want(right or wrong is yet to be determined),but Vick is a bust in the more important game of life.He had it all handed to him on a silver platter and the moron threw it away to fight dogs.He is too stupid to be a niner,plain and simple.Your support of him speaks none to well of you yourself,or your knowledge of the game.

Who anointed you the judge of moral righteousness?

So yes, he made a bonehead decision to fight dogs. The man has paid his debt to society and in the eyes of the law is now as free as you or I.

I guess one who fights dogs is that much different from the several duck, deer or fish killers who permeate the NFL and our society. Just ask PETA if they see any difference between those.

My support of Michael Vick does reflect upon my character. It reflects that I am willing to forgive a man for fighting dogs and give him a second chance to redeem himself. It reflects that I am not willing to keep a personal vendetta against a man for something that has not personally caused me, nor any other man for that fact, any harm. Pardon me for not wishing failure upon a one time convicted felon (newsflash: he’s not the only one time felon in the NFL). However, as to your unwavering support for two QB’s who have never as much as led our team to a wild card appearance, that clearly reflects upon your knowledge of the game.

Well being that he is from Memphis should tell you that you wont reach him. They are kind of backwards over there. But being that he is a Moral righteous man, my question is why even be a 49ers fan? Its no secret that the Debartalo's are mafia connected. Lets face it, Mafia did worse than things than dog fighting. Eddie Jr. got busted for fraud and correction. But I love football, not the personal lifestyles of people.

And I guess Coach Sing is immoral for even entertaining the thought of getting Vick. My point was not about the character of Vick. It was about how Black QB's are over scrutinized as players even when they are good and non talented players like Alex Leaf gets all these heart felt excuse and excuse articles. But that probably flew over you head also.

Anyways training camp will start next week cant wait til the season. Waiting on my tickets for the game opener against AZ. Hill will definitely be the starter barring injuries.