QB Competition

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by jones49:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Norcal9er fan makes a good point! Based on what we've seen so far, Shaun Hill should start! There, Norcal9er, do you feel better?

Shaun Hill, at this point, should indeed start.

Thats webzone blasphemy.

Hey I love all our QBs, honestly. Whoever Sing decides gives us the best chance to win, I'll support. The hope is that it'll be Alex eventually and that he proves he can be the guy so we can be set with a franchise QB for years to come, because we know Shaun Hill isn't going to be that.

No way of knowing that, you could pretty much say that about any QB.

Well, true. I'll give that. But as he's past 30 now, it's not like he has that much longer left, and it doesn't appear the coaches seem confident in Hill as a long term answer either. But, perhaps he could be?

Actually hes only 29 years old, Kurt Warner is 38 and still going. So that still gives Hill 7-8 years to prove himself worthy in this league. But I haven't really got that feeling that the coaches don't have confidence in Hill. The signs I've got is that there just giving Smith his equal shot to redeem himself. Singletary has said if the season was to start today, Hill would be the starter.

Let me correct myself, I mean to say he's ALMOST past 30.

Kurt Warner is one of very few QB's that could actually last that long. The Warren Moon's, Favre's and Warners are extremely rare and make up but a small fraction of the league. Most good QB's hit the tail-end around 35, like Mark Brunell and McNair. (RIP) :(

It's just, how often do you see QB's start playing great at 29 or 30? It's unusual.

I think Hill is the short-term answer until we find his replacement, whether that be Smith or a new, developing, hot prospect rookie (or Nate Davis).

Again, Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, Jon Kitna (back to back 4,000 yard seasons), Jim Plunkett, Steve Young...off the top of my head.

But whether QB's are the short-term or long t-term answer is really up to the QB on how long he can play good consistently. Say, Hill gets us to the Playoffs 5 years in a row, what would you consider that, short-term or long-term??

In the end its about taking advantage of the opportunity given to you and solidifying it, that's all that matters.

Well, there you go! Like I said, that kind of player is fairly rare. Young retired 10 years ago. Plunkett almost 25 years ago. Garcia could be, but at this point isn't slated to start in Oakland. He was lucky (just like Warner was) to revive his career, and I'm glad he did because I liked him as a player. Kitna's career as a starter pretty much ended last year (at the age of the 35) with Detroit.

Looking at teams these days, those with starting QB's getting farther into their 30's are:

Panthers: Delhomme - 34
Titans: Collins - 36
Colts: Manning - 33
Dolphins: Pennington - 33, this could be his last year starting.
Cardinals: Warner - 38, retirement coming soon.
Seahawks: Hasselbeck - 33, career almost ended due to injury last year.

6/32 teams with starters 33 or older, or 18.75% and only 2 teams with starters over 35 -- It's not easy to sustain "good" play for that long. Back-up status, yes. But the former, not so much.

It's all up to Hill what happens, unless he gets hurt. Because if he doesn't play well enough to win in the playoffs, I would have no doubts that our team would still think about replacing him. We're always looking to upgrade at any position. Unless Hill does well enough, his job isn't safe. Who knows? Maybe he'll be Delhomme-like (in terms of early success) for a while?

But the thing I know is our coach and GM have Alex quite intently on their minds because he was supposed to be the man of the future. With that fact, I have a strong feeling they won't hesitate to put Alex in when they feel he's ready, barring great play by Hill. Shaun has a lot of pressure to perform, knowing this. I will be very happy if either quarterback plays and excels. As long as they're winning, that's what is important.

Of course I could give you more names, but the fact is, its not rare or common that a QB performs well at the age of 30 or more. Shoot, Alex Smith's best years could just be in his 30's. Shoot, Peyton Manning didn't win a Super Bowl till he was 30, actually 29 but his birthday is the month after the Super Bowl, but whatever. Anything can happen, its not science, its just a matter of time.

I think I'd consider it more "common" if around a third of the league or so had players at the older ages performing so well. The only point that I was trying to illustrate was the highly possible lack of longevity. You can go farther back and there is really no substantial difference in the ratio of starting QB's at that age, whether they be playing well or not, even.

Hill has never started a full NFL season. We are unsure if he can even stay healthy for that long.

Almost all of those QB's aside from Delhomme and Manning could be looking at either the end of their careers entirely, or their starting careers being over this year or next.

Now, on whether Hill can or can't do it, I'm not sure. I think he has the ability to do well for at least 2-3 years, maybe 4 if he stays healthy, but I don't know if he will.

If he stays here that long, there's a high probability we're going to be drafting a QB anyways, because Alex will have left by then and we'll look to draft someone else to develop along with Nate Davis.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by jones49:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Norcal9er fan makes a good point! Based on what we've seen so far, Shaun Hill should start! There, Norcal9er, do you feel better?

Shaun Hill, at this point, should indeed start.

Thats webzone blasphemy.

Hey I love all our QBs, honestly. Whoever Sing decides gives us the best chance to win, I'll support. The hope is that it'll be Alex eventually and that he proves he can be the guy so we can be set with a franchise QB for years to come, because we know Shaun Hill isn't going to be that.

No way of knowing that, you could pretty much say that about any QB.

Well, true. I'll give that. But as he's past 30 now, it's not like he has that much longer left, and it doesn't appear the coaches seem confident in Hill as a long term answer either. But, perhaps he could be?

Actually hes only 29 years old, Kurt Warner is 38 and still going. So that still gives Hill 7-8 years to prove himself worthy in this league. But I haven't really got that feeling that the coaches don't have confidence in Hill. The signs I've got is that there just giving Smith his equal shot to redeem himself. Singletary has said if the season was to start today, Hill would be the starter.

Let me correct myself, I mean to say he's ALMOST past 30.

Kurt Warner is one of very few QB's that could actually last that long. The Warren Moon's, Favre's and Warners are extremely rare and make up but a small fraction of the league. Most good QB's hit the tail-end around 35, like Mark Brunell and McNair. (RIP) :(

It's just, how often do you see QB's start playing great at 29 or 30? It's unusual.

I think Hill is the short-term answer until we find his replacement, whether that be Smith or a new, developing, hot prospect rookie (or Nate Davis).

Again, Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, Jon Kitna (back to back 4,000 yard seasons), Jim Plunkett, Steve Young...off the top of my head.

But whether QB's are the short-term or long t-term answer is really up to the QB on how long he can play good consistently. Say, Hill gets us to the Playoffs 5 years in a row, what would you consider that, short-term or long-term??

In the end its about taking advantage of the opportunity given to you and solidifying it, that's all that matters.

Well, there you go! Like I said, that kind of player is fairly rare. Young retired 10 years ago. Plunkett almost 25 years ago. Garcia could be, but at this point isn't slated to start in Oakland. He was lucky (just like Warner was) to revive his career, and I'm glad he did because I liked him as a player. Kitna's career as a starter pretty much ended last year (at the age of the 35) with Detroit.

Looking at teams these days, those with starting QB's getting farther into their 30's are:

Panthers: Delhomme - 34
Titans: Collins - 36
Colts: Manning - 33
Dolphins: Pennington - 33, this could be his last year starting.
Cardinals: Warner - 38, retirement coming soon.
Seahawks: Hasselbeck - 33, career almost ended due to injury last year.

6/32 teams with starters 33 or older, or 18.75% and only 2 teams with starters over 35 -- It's not easy to sustain "good" play for that long. Back-up status, yes. But the former, not so much.

It's all up to Hill what happens, unless he gets hurt. Because if he doesn't play well enough to win in the playoffs, I would have no doubts that our team would still think about replacing him. We're always looking to upgrade at any position. Unless Hill does well enough, his job isn't safe. Who knows? Maybe he'll be Delhomme-like (in terms of early success) for a while?

But the thing I know is our coach and GM have Alex quite intently on their minds because he was supposed to be the man of the future. With that fact, I have a strong feeling they won't hesitate to put Alex in when they feel he's ready, barring great play by Hill. Shaun has a lot of pressure to perform, knowing this. I will be very happy if either quarterback plays and excels. As long as they're winning, that's what is important.

Of course I could give you more names, but the fact is, its not rare or common that a QB performs well at the age of 30 or more. Shoot, Alex Smith's best years could just be in his 30's. Shoot, Peyton Manning didn't win a Super Bowl till he was 30, actually 29 but his birthday is the month after the Super Bowl, but whatever. Anything can happen, its not science, its just a matter of time.

I think I'd consider it more "common" if around a third of the league or so had players at the older ages performing so well. The only point that I was trying to illustrate was the highly possible lack of longevity. You can go farther back and there is really no substantial difference in the ratio of starting QB's at that age, whether they be playing well or not, even.

Hill has never started a full NFL season. We are unsure if he can even stay healthy for that long.

Almost all of those QB's aside from Delhomme and Manning could be looking at either the end of their careers entirely, or their starting careers being over this year or next.

Now, on whether Hill can or can't do it, I'm not sure. I think he has the ability to do well for at least 2-3 years, maybe 4 if he stays healthy, but I don't know if he will.

If he stays here that long, there's a high probability we're going to be drafting a QB anyways, because Alex will have left by then and we'll look to draft someone else to develop along with Nate Davis.

Alright here we go, QB's 29-32+ that are playing well:

Donovan McNabb
Marc Bulger
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Jake Delhomme
Jeff Garcia
Kurt Warner
Chad Pennington
Kerry Collins
David Garrard
Tony Romo
Carson Palmer
Matt Haselbeck

Well that's 13 out of 14 that are starters in the NFL right now, that's pretty much half the league. And if Shaun Hill starts that would be 14 starting QB's in the NFL at the age of 29-30. Now whether Hill continues to play like he did last year remains to be seen. But in reference to the 8th reply (29-30), Hill still has a good chance for him to do good at his age.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by jones49:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Norcal9er fan makes a good point! Based on what we've seen so far, Shaun Hill should start! There, Norcal9er, do you feel better?

Shaun Hill, at this point, should indeed start.

Thats webzone blasphemy.

Hey I love all our QBs, honestly. Whoever Sing decides gives us the best chance to win, I'll support. The hope is that it'll be Alex eventually and that he proves he can be the guy so we can be set with a franchise QB for years to come, because we know Shaun Hill isn't going to be that.

No way of knowing that, you could pretty much say that about any QB.

Well, true. I'll give that. But as he's past 30 now, it's not like he has that much longer left, and it doesn't appear the coaches seem confident in Hill as a long term answer either. But, perhaps he could be?

Actually hes only 29 years old, Kurt Warner is 38 and still going. So that still gives Hill 7-8 years to prove himself worthy in this league. But I haven't really got that feeling that the coaches don't have confidence in Hill. The signs I've got is that there just giving Smith his equal shot to redeem himself. Singletary has said if the season was to start today, Hill would be the starter.

Let me correct myself, I mean to say he's ALMOST past 30.

Kurt Warner is one of very few QB's that could actually last that long. The Warren Moon's, Favre's and Warners are extremely rare and make up but a small fraction of the league. Most good QB's hit the tail-end around 35, like Mark Brunell and McNair. (RIP) :(

It's just, how often do you see QB's start playing great at 29 or 30? It's unusual.

I think Hill is the short-term answer until we find his replacement, whether that be Smith or a new, developing, hot prospect rookie (or Nate Davis).

Again, Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, Jon Kitna (back to back 4,000 yard seasons), Jim Plunkett, Steve Young...off the top of my head.

But whether QB's are the short-term or long t-term answer is really up to the QB on how long he can play good consistently. Say, Hill gets us to the Playoffs 5 years in a row, what would you consider that, short-term or long-term??

In the end its about taking advantage of the opportunity given to you and solidifying it, that's all that matters.

Well, there you go! Like I said, that kind of player is fairly rare. Young retired 10 years ago. Plunkett almost 25 years ago. Garcia could be, but at this point isn't slated to start in Oakland. He was lucky (just like Warner was) to revive his career, and I'm glad he did because I liked him as a player. Kitna's career as a starter pretty much ended last year (at the age of the 35) with Detroit.

Looking at teams these days, those with starting QB's getting farther into their 30's are:

Panthers: Delhomme - 34
Titans: Collins - 36
Colts: Manning - 33
Dolphins: Pennington - 33, this could be his last year starting.
Cardinals: Warner - 38, retirement coming soon.
Seahawks: Hasselbeck - 33, career almost ended due to injury last year.

6/32 teams with starters 33 or older, or 18.75% and only 2 teams with starters over 35 -- It's not easy to sustain "good" play for that long. Back-up status, yes. But the former, not so much.

It's all up to Hill what happens, unless he gets hurt. Because if he doesn't play well enough to win in the playoffs, I would have no doubts that our team would still think about replacing him. We're always looking to upgrade at any position. Unless Hill does well enough, his job isn't safe. Who knows? Maybe he'll be Delhomme-like (in terms of early success) for a while?

But the thing I know is our coach and GM have Alex quite intently on their minds because he was supposed to be the man of the future. With that fact, I have a strong feeling they won't hesitate to put Alex in when they feel he's ready, barring great play by Hill. Shaun has a lot of pressure to perform, knowing this. I will be very happy if either quarterback plays and excels. As long as they're winning, that's what is important.

Of course I could give you more names, but the fact is, its not rare or common that a QB performs well at the age of 30 or more. Shoot, Alex Smith's best years could just be in his 30's. Shoot, Peyton Manning didn't win a Super Bowl till he was 30, actually 29 but his birthday is the month after the Super Bowl, but whatever. Anything can happen, its not science, its just a matter of time.

I think I'd consider it more "common" if around a third of the league or so had players at the older ages performing so well. The only point that I was trying to illustrate was the highly possible lack of longevity. You can go farther back and there is really no substantial difference in the ratio of starting QB's at that age, whether they be playing well or not, even.

Hill has never started a full NFL season. We are unsure if he can even stay healthy for that long.

Almost all of those QB's aside from Delhomme and Manning could be looking at either the end of their careers entirely, or their starting careers being over this year or next.

Now, on whether Hill can or can't do it, I'm not sure. I think he has the ability to do well for at least 2-3 years, maybe 4 if he stays healthy, but I don't know if he will.

If he stays here that long, there's a high probability we're going to be drafting a QB anyways, because Alex will have left by then and we'll look to draft someone else to develop along with Nate Davis.

Alright here we go, QB's 29-32+ that are playing well:

Donovan McNabb
Marc Bulger
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Jake Delhomme
Jeff Garcia
Kurt Warner
Chad Pennington
Kerry Collins
David Garrard
Tony Romo
Carson Palmer
Matt Haselbeck

Well that's 13 out of 14 that are starters in the NFL right now, that's pretty much half the league. And if Shaun Hill starts that would be 14 starting QB's in the NFL at the age of 29-30. Now whether Hill continues to play like he did last year remains to be seen. But in reference to the 8th reply (29-30), Hill still has a good chance for him to do good at his age.

Whoomp There it is!

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by jones49:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Norcal9er fan makes a good point! Based on what we've seen so far, Shaun Hill should start! There, Norcal9er, do you feel better?

Shaun Hill, at this point, should indeed start.

Thats webzone blasphemy.

Hey I love all our QBs, honestly. Whoever Sing decides gives us the best chance to win, I'll support. The hope is that it'll be Alex eventually and that he proves he can be the guy so we can be set with a franchise QB for years to come, because we know Shaun Hill isn't going to be that.

No way of knowing that, you could pretty much say that about any QB.

Well, true. I'll give that. But as he's past 30 now, it's not like he has that much longer left, and it doesn't appear the coaches seem confident in Hill as a long term answer either. But, perhaps he could be?

Actually hes only 29 years old, Kurt Warner is 38 and still going. So that still gives Hill 7-8 years to prove himself worthy in this league. But I haven't really got that feeling that the coaches don't have confidence in Hill. The signs I've got is that there just giving Smith his equal shot to redeem himself. Singletary has said if the season was to start today, Hill would be the starter.

Let me correct myself, I mean to say he's ALMOST past 30.

Kurt Warner is one of very few QB's that could actually last that long. The Warren Moon's, Favre's and Warners are extremely rare and make up but a small fraction of the league. Most good QB's hit the tail-end around 35, like Mark Brunell and McNair. (RIP) :(

It's just, how often do you see QB's start playing great at 29 or 30? It's unusual.

I think Hill is the short-term answer until we find his replacement, whether that be Smith or a new, developing, hot prospect rookie (or Nate Davis).

Again, Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, Jon Kitna (back to back 4,000 yard seasons), Jim Plunkett, Steve Young...off the top of my head.

But whether QB's are the short-term or long t-term answer is really up to the QB on how long he can play good consistently. Say, Hill gets us to the Playoffs 5 years in a row, what would you consider that, short-term or long-term??

In the end its about taking advantage of the opportunity given to you and solidifying it, that's all that matters.

Well, there you go! Like I said, that kind of player is fairly rare. Young retired 10 years ago. Plunkett almost 25 years ago. Garcia could be, but at this point isn't slated to start in Oakland. He was lucky (just like Warner was) to revive his career, and I'm glad he did because I liked him as a player. Kitna's career as a starter pretty much ended last year (at the age of the 35) with Detroit.

Looking at teams these days, those with starting QB's getting farther into their 30's are:

Panthers: Delhomme - 34
Titans: Collins - 36
Colts: Manning - 33
Dolphins: Pennington - 33, this could be his last year starting.
Cardinals: Warner - 38, retirement coming soon.
Seahawks: Hasselbeck - 33, career almost ended due to injury last year.

6/32 teams with starters 33 or older, or 18.75% and only 2 teams with starters over 35 -- It's not easy to sustain "good" play for that long. Back-up status, yes. But the former, not so much.

It's all up to Hill what happens, unless he gets hurt. Because if he doesn't play well enough to win in the playoffs, I would have no doubts that our team would still think about replacing him. We're always looking to upgrade at any position. Unless Hill does well enough, his job isn't safe. Who knows? Maybe he'll be Delhomme-like (in terms of early success) for a while?

But the thing I know is our coach and GM have Alex quite intently on their minds because he was supposed to be the man of the future. With that fact, I have a strong feeling they won't hesitate to put Alex in when they feel he's ready, barring great play by Hill. Shaun has a lot of pressure to perform, knowing this. I will be very happy if either quarterback plays and excels. As long as they're winning, that's what is important.

Of course I could give you more names, but the fact is, its not rare or common that a QB performs well at the age of 30 or more. Shoot, Alex Smith's best years could just be in his 30's. Shoot, Peyton Manning didn't win a Super Bowl till he was 30, actually 29 but his birthday is the month after the Super Bowl, but whatever. Anything can happen, its not science, its just a matter of time.

I think I'd consider it more "common" if around a third of the league or so had players at the older ages performing so well. The only point that I was trying to illustrate was the highly possible lack of longevity. You can go farther back and there is really no substantial difference in the ratio of starting QB's at that age, whether they be playing well or not, even.

Hill has never started a full NFL season. We are unsure if he can even stay healthy for that long.

Almost all of those QB's aside from Delhomme and Manning could be looking at either the end of their careers entirely, or their starting careers being over this year or next.

Now, on whether Hill can or can't do it, I'm not sure. I think he has the ability to do well for at least 2-3 years, maybe 4 if he stays healthy, but I don't know if he will.

If he stays here that long, there's a high probability we're going to be drafting a QB anyways, because Alex will have left by then and we'll look to draft someone else to develop along with Nate Davis.

Alright here we go, QB's 29-32+ that are playing well:

Donovan McNabb
Marc Bulger
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Jake Delhomme
Jeff Garcia
Kurt Warner
Chad Pennington
Kerry Collins
David Garrard
Tony Romo
Carson Palmer
Matt Haselbeck

Well that's 13 out of 14 that are starters in the NFL right now, that's pretty much half the league. And if Shaun Hill starts that would be 14 starting QB's in the NFL at the age of 29-30. Now whether Hill continues to play like he did last year remains to be seen. But in reference to the 8th reply (29-30), Hill still has a good chance for him to do good at his age.

I should've mentioned, when I said "that age" and "older ages" I meant 33+ like I was talking about before -- I did note that I believe Hill could do fine for a couple to three years, through the age of 32.

I would never try and argue that QB's can't play well around right at the age of the 30, since some of the best do so. But getting (farther) into their 30's that's something entirely different, and that's what I'm referring to. It's super easy to find good players up to 31.

I would swipe Bulger (just turned 32) off the list though. He's been awful for two straight years. Only 11 TDs each with 13 and 15 interceptions apiece.

Hill surely can do it. Will he? We'll have to wait and see.
Even if he does, will we draft a QB at some point? Almost positively.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by jones49:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Norcal9er fan makes a good point! Based on what we've seen so far, Shaun Hill should start! There, Norcal9er, do you feel better?

Shaun Hill, at this point, should indeed start.

Thats webzone blasphemy.

Hey I love all our QBs, honestly. Whoever Sing decides gives us the best chance to win, I'll support. The hope is that it'll be Alex eventually and that he proves he can be the guy so we can be set with a franchise QB for years to come, because we know Shaun Hill isn't going to be that.

No way of knowing that, you could pretty much say that about any QB.

Well, true. I'll give that. But as he's past 30 now, it's not like he has that much longer left, and it doesn't appear the coaches seem confident in Hill as a long term answer either. But, perhaps he could be?

Actually hes only 29 years old, Kurt Warner is 38 and still going. So that still gives Hill 7-8 years to prove himself worthy in this league. But I haven't really got that feeling that the coaches don't have confidence in Hill. The signs I've got is that there just giving Smith his equal shot to redeem himself. Singletary has said if the season was to start today, Hill would be the starter.

Let me correct myself, I mean to say he's ALMOST past 30.

Kurt Warner is one of very few QB's that could actually last that long. The Warren Moon's, Favre's and Warners are extremely rare and make up but a small fraction of the league. Most good QB's hit the tail-end around 35, like Mark Brunell and McNair. (RIP) :(

It's just, how often do you see QB's start playing great at 29 or 30? It's unusual.

I think Hill is the short-term answer until we find his replacement, whether that be Smith or a new, developing, hot prospect rookie (or Nate Davis).

Again, Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, Jon Kitna (back to back 4,000 yard seasons), Jim Plunkett, Steve Young...off the top of my head.

But whether QB's are the short-term or long t-term answer is really up to the QB on how long he can play good consistently. Say, Hill gets us to the Playoffs 5 years in a row, what would you consider that, short-term or long-term??

In the end its about taking advantage of the opportunity given to you and solidifying it, that's all that matters.

Well, there you go! Like I said, that kind of player is fairly rare. Young retired 10 years ago. Plunkett almost 25 years ago. Garcia could be, but at this point isn't slated to start in Oakland. He was lucky (just like Warner was) to revive his career, and I'm glad he did because I liked him as a player. Kitna's career as a starter pretty much ended last year (at the age of the 35) with Detroit.

Looking at teams these days, those with starting QB's getting farther into their 30's are:

Panthers: Delhomme - 34
Titans: Collins - 36
Colts: Manning - 33
Dolphins: Pennington - 33, this could be his last year starting.
Cardinals: Warner - 38, retirement coming soon.
Seahawks: Hasselbeck - 33, career almost ended due to injury last year.

6/32 teams with starters 33 or older, or 18.75% and only 2 teams with starters over 35 -- It's not easy to sustain "good" play for that long. Back-up status, yes. But the former, not so much.

It's all up to Hill what happens, unless he gets hurt. Because if he doesn't play well enough to win in the playoffs, I would have no doubts that our team would still think about replacing him. We're always looking to upgrade at any position. Unless Hill does well enough, his job isn't safe. Who knows? Maybe he'll be Delhomme-like (in terms of early success) for a while?

But the thing I know is our coach and GM have Alex quite intently on their minds because he was supposed to be the man of the future. With that fact, I have a strong feeling they won't hesitate to put Alex in when they feel he's ready, barring great play by Hill. Shaun has a lot of pressure to perform, knowing this. I will be very happy if either quarterback plays and excels. As long as they're winning, that's what is important.

Of course I could give you more names, but the fact is, its not rare or common that a QB performs well at the age of 30 or more. Shoot, Alex Smith's best years could just be in his 30's. Shoot, Peyton Manning didn't win a Super Bowl till he was 30, actually 29 but his birthday is the month after the Super Bowl, but whatever. Anything can happen, its not science, its just a matter of time.

I think I'd consider it more "common" if around a third of the league or so had players at the older ages performing so well. The only point that I was trying to illustrate was the highly possible lack of longevity. You can go farther back and there is really no substantial difference in the ratio of starting QB's at that age, whether they be playing well or not, even.

Hill has never started a full NFL season. We are unsure if he can even stay healthy for that long.

Almost all of those QB's aside from Delhomme and Manning could be looking at either the end of their careers entirely, or their starting careers being over this year or next.

Now, on whether Hill can or can't do it, I'm not sure. I think he has the ability to do well for at least 2-3 years, maybe 4 if he stays healthy, but I don't know if he will.

If he stays here that long, there's a high probability we're going to be drafting a QB anyways, because Alex will have left by then and we'll look to draft someone else to develop along with Nate Davis.

Alright here we go, QB's 29-32+ that are playing well:

Donovan McNabb
Marc Bulger
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Jake Delhomme
Jeff Garcia
Kurt Warner
Chad Pennington
Kerry Collins
David Garrard
Tony Romo
Carson Palmer
Matt Haselbeck

Well that's 13 out of 14 that are starters in the NFL right now, that's pretty much half the league. And if Shaun Hill starts that would be 14 starting QB's in the NFL at the age of 29-30. Now whether Hill continues to play like he did last year remains to be seen. But in reference to the 8th reply (29-30), Hill still has a good chance for him to do good at his age.

I should've mentioned, when I said "that age" and "older ages" I meant 33+ like I was talking about before -- I did note that I believe Hill could do fine for a couple to three years, through the age of 32.

I would never try and argue that QB's can't play well around right at the age of the 30, since some of the best do so. But getting (farther) into their 30's that's something entirely different, and that's what I'm referring to. It's super easy to find good players up to 31.

I would swipe Bulger (just turned 32) off the list though. He's been awful for two straight years. Only 11 TDs each with 13 and 15 interceptions apiece.

Hill surely can do it. Will he? We'll have to wait and see.
Even if he does, will we draft a QB at some point? Almost positively.

That is unless Smith and/or Davis give us reasons not to draft another QB.

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Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Norcal9er fan makes a good point! Based on what we've seen so far, Shaun Hill should start! There, Norcal9er, do you feel better?

Shaun Hill, at this point, should indeed start.

Thats webzone blasphemy.

Hey I love all our QBs, honestly. Whoever Sing decides gives us the best chance to win, I'll support. The hope is that it'll be Alex eventually and that he proves he can be the guy so we can be set with a franchise QB for years to come, because we know Shaun Hill isn't going to be that.

No way of knowing that, you could pretty much say that about any QB.

Well, true. I'll give that. But as he's past 30 now, it's not like he has that much longer left, and it doesn't appear the coaches seem confident in Hill as a long term answer either. But, perhaps he could be?

Actually hes only 29 years old, Kurt Warner is 38 and still going. So that still gives Hill 7-8 years to prove himself worthy in this league. But I haven't really got that feeling that the coaches don't have confidence in Hill. The signs I've got is that there just giving Smith his equal shot to redeem himself. Singletary has said if the season was to start today, Hill would be the starter.

Let me correct myself, I mean to say he's ALMOST past 30.

Kurt Warner is one of very few QB's that could actually last that long. The Warren Moon's, Favre's and Warners are extremely rare and make up but a small fraction of the league. Most good QB's hit the tail-end around 35, like Mark Brunell and McNair. (RIP) :(

It's just, how often do you see QB's start playing great at 29 or 30? It's unusual.

I think Hill is the short-term answer until we find his replacement, whether that be Smith or a new, developing, hot prospect rookie (or Nate Davis).

Again, Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, Jon Kitna (back to back 4,000 yard seasons), Jim Plunkett, Steve Young...off the top of my head.

But whether QB's are the short-term or long t-term answer is really up to the QB on how long he can play good consistently. Say, Hill gets us to the Playoffs 5 years in a row, what would you consider that, short-term or long-term??

In the end its about taking advantage of the opportunity given to you and solidifying it, that's all that matters.

Well, there you go! Like I said, that kind of player is fairly rare. Young retired 10 years ago. Plunkett almost 25 years ago. Garcia could be, but at this point isn't slated to start in Oakland. He was lucky (just like Warner was) to revive his career, and I'm glad he did because I liked him as a player. Kitna's career as a starter pretty much ended last year (at the age of the 35) with Detroit.

Looking at teams these days, those with starting QB's getting farther into their 30's are:

Panthers: Delhomme - 34
Titans: Collins - 36
Colts: Manning - 33
Dolphins: Pennington - 33, this could be his last year starting.
Cardinals: Warner - 38, retirement coming soon.
Seahawks: Hasselbeck - 33, career almost ended due to injury last year.

6/32 teams with starters 33 or older, or 18.75% and only 2 teams with starters over 35 -- It's not easy to sustain "good" play for that long. Back-up status, yes. But the former, not so much.

It's all up to Hill what happens, unless he gets hurt. Because if he doesn't play well enough to win in the playoffs, I would have no doubts that our team would still think about replacing him. We're always looking to upgrade at any position. Unless Hill does well enough, his job isn't safe. Who knows? Maybe he'll be Delhomme-like (in terms of early success) for a while?

But the thing I know is our coach and GM have Alex quite intently on their minds because he was supposed to be the man of the future. With that fact, I have a strong feeling they won't hesitate to put Alex in when they feel he's ready, barring great play by Hill. Shaun has a lot of pressure to perform, knowing this. I will be very happy if either quarterback plays and excels. As long as they're winning, that's what is important.

Of course I could give you more names, but the fact is, its not rare or common that a QB performs well at the age of 30 or more. Shoot, Alex Smith's best years could just be in his 30's. Shoot, Peyton Manning didn't win a Super Bowl till he was 30, actually 29 but his birthday is the month after the Super Bowl, but whatever. Anything can happen, its not science, its just a matter of time.

I think I'd consider it more "common" if around a third of the league or so had players at the older ages performing so well. The only point that I was trying to illustrate was the highly possible lack of longevity. You can go farther back and there is really no substantial difference in the ratio of starting QB's at that age, whether they be playing well or not, even.

Hill has never started a full NFL season. We are unsure if he can even stay healthy for that long.

Almost all of those QB's aside from Delhomme and Manning could be looking at either the end of their careers entirely, or their starting careers being over this year or next.

Now, on whether Hill can or can't do it, I'm not sure. I think he has the ability to do well for at least 2-3 years, maybe 4 if he stays healthy, but I don't know if he will.

If he stays here that long, there's a high probability we're going to be drafting a QB anyways, because Alex will have left by then and we'll look to draft someone else to develop along with Nate Davis.

Alright here we go, QB's 29-32+ that are playing well:

Donovan McNabb
Marc Bulger
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Jake Delhomme
Jeff Garcia
Kurt Warner
Chad Pennington
Kerry Collins
David Garrard
Tony Romo
Carson Palmer
Matt Haselbeck

Well that's 13 out of 14 that are starters in the NFL right now, that's pretty much half the league. And if Shaun Hill starts that would be 14 starting QB's in the NFL at the age of 29-30. Now whether Hill continues to play like he did last year remains to be seen. But in reference to the 8th reply (29-30), Hill still has a good chance for him to do good at his age.

I should've mentioned, when I said "that age" and "older ages" I meant 33+ like I was talking about before -- I did note that I believe Hill could do fine for a couple to three years, through the age of 32.

I would never try and argue that QB's can't play well around right at the age of the 30, since some of the best do so. But getting (farther) into their 30's that's something entirely different, and that's what I'm referring to. It's super easy to find good players up to 31.

I would swipe Bulger (just turned 32) off the list though. He's been awful for two straight years. Only 11 TDs each with 13 and 15 interceptions apiece.

Hill surely can do it. Will he? We'll have to wait and see.
Even if he does, will we draft a QB at some point? Almost positively.

Sorry, like I said this was in reference to the 8th reply, and the reason for my list. Of course using today's players we only have a handful that are 33+ years old that we can name, but Shaun Hill is no where near that age right now so its pretty hard to gauge. And still in the end more of an assumption and opinion rather than trying to state facts. I could see if we just signed Jeff Garcia as our QB to compete with Alex Smith and Shaun Hill (And to tell you the truth even I would anoint him our starter over both Hill and Smith, hes been playing just as good if not better). But no doubt will we draft a QB in the next year or two, its the nature of the game.

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Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Norcal9er fan makes a good point! Based on what we've seen so far, Shaun Hill should start! There, Norcal9er, do you feel better?

Shaun Hill, at this point, should indeed start.

Thats webzone blasphemy.

Hey I love all our QBs, honestly. Whoever Sing decides gives us the best chance to win, I'll support. The hope is that it'll be Alex eventually and that he proves he can be the guy so we can be set with a franchise QB for years to come, because we know Shaun Hill isn't going to be that.

No way of knowing that, you could pretty much say that about any QB.

Well, true. I'll give that. But as he's past 30 now, it's not like he has that much longer left, and it doesn't appear the coaches seem confident in Hill as a long term answer either. But, perhaps he could be?

Actually hes only 29 years old, Kurt Warner is 38 and still going. So that still gives Hill 7-8 years to prove himself worthy in this league. But I haven't really got that feeling that the coaches don't have confidence in Hill. The signs I've got is that there just giving Smith his equal shot to redeem himself. Singletary has said if the season was to start today, Hill would be the starter.

Let me correct myself, I mean to say he's ALMOST past 30.

Kurt Warner is one of very few QB's that could actually last that long. The Warren Moon's, Favre's and Warners are extremely rare and make up but a small fraction of the league. Most good QB's hit the tail-end around 35, like Mark Brunell and McNair. (RIP) :(

It's just, how often do you see QB's start playing great at 29 or 30? It's unusual.

I think Hill is the short-term answer until we find his replacement, whether that be Smith or a new, developing, hot prospect rookie (or Nate Davis).

Again, Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, Jon Kitna (back to back 4,000 yard seasons), Jim Plunkett, Steve Young...off the top of my head.

But whether QB's are the short-term or long t-term answer is really up to the QB on how long he can play good consistently. Say, Hill gets us to the Playoffs 5 years in a row, what would you consider that, short-term or long-term??

In the end its about taking advantage of the opportunity given to you and solidifying it, that's all that matters.

Well, there you go! Like I said, that kind of player is fairly rare. Young retired 10 years ago. Plunkett almost 25 years ago. Garcia could be, but at this point isn't slated to start in Oakland. He was lucky (just like Warner was) to revive his career, and I'm glad he did because I liked him as a player. Kitna's career as a starter pretty much ended last year (at the age of the 35) with Detroit.

Looking at teams these days, those with starting QB's getting farther into their 30's are:

Panthers: Delhomme - 34
Titans: Collins - 36
Colts: Manning - 33
Dolphins: Pennington - 33, this could be his last year starting.
Cardinals: Warner - 38, retirement coming soon.
Seahawks: Hasselbeck - 33, career almost ended due to injury last year.

6/32 teams with starters 33 or older, or 18.75% and only 2 teams with starters over 35 -- It's not easy to sustain "good" play for that long. Back-up status, yes. But the former, not so much.

It's all up to Hill what happens, unless he gets hurt. Because if he doesn't play well enough to win in the playoffs, I would have no doubts that our team would still think about replacing him. We're always looking to upgrade at any position. Unless Hill does well enough, his job isn't safe. Who knows? Maybe he'll be Delhomme-like (in terms of early success) for a while?

But the thing I know is our coach and GM have Alex quite intently on their minds because he was supposed to be the man of the future. With that fact, I have a strong feeling they won't hesitate to put Alex in when they feel he's ready, barring great play by Hill. Shaun has a lot of pressure to perform, knowing this. I will be very happy if either quarterback plays and excels. As long as they're winning, that's what is important.

Of course I could give you more names, but the fact is, its not rare or common that a QB performs well at the age of 30 or more. Shoot, Alex Smith's best years could just be in his 30's. Shoot, Peyton Manning didn't win a Super Bowl till he was 30, actually 29 but his birthday is the month after the Super Bowl, but whatever. Anything can happen, its not science, its just a matter of time.

I think I'd consider it more "common" if around a third of the league or so had players at the older ages performing so well. The only point that I was trying to illustrate was the highly possible lack of longevity. You can go farther back and there is really no substantial difference in the ratio of starting QB's at that age, whether they be playing well or not, even.

Hill has never started a full NFL season. We are unsure if he can even stay healthy for that long.

Almost all of those QB's aside from Delhomme and Manning could be looking at either the end of their careers entirely, or their starting careers being over this year or next.

Now, on whether Hill can or can't do it, I'm not sure. I think he has the ability to do well for at least 2-3 years, maybe 4 if he stays healthy, but I don't know if he will.

If he stays here that long, there's a high probability we're going to be drafting a QB anyways, because Alex will have left by then and we'll look to draft someone else to develop along with Nate Davis.

Alright here we go, QB's 29-32+ that are playing well:

Donovan McNabb
Marc Bulger
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Jake Delhomme
Jeff Garcia
Kurt Warner
Chad Pennington
Kerry Collins
David Garrard
Tony Romo
Carson Palmer
Matt Haselbeck

Well that's 13 out of 14 that are starters in the NFL right now, that's pretty much half the league. And if Shaun Hill starts that would be 14 starting QB's in the NFL at the age of 29-30. Now whether Hill continues to play like he did last year remains to be seen. But in reference to the 8th reply (29-30), Hill still has a good chance for him to do good at his age.

I should've mentioned, when I said "that age" and "older ages" I meant 33+ like I was talking about before -- I did note that I believe Hill could do fine for a couple to three years, through the age of 32.

I would never try and argue that QB's can't play well around right at the age of the 30, since some of the best do so. But getting (farther) into their 30's that's something entirely different, and that's what I'm referring to. It's super easy to find good players up to 31.

I would swipe Bulger (just turned 32) off the list though. He's been awful for two straight years. Only 11 TDs each with 13 and 15 interceptions apiece.

Hill surely can do it. Will he? We'll have to wait and see.
Even if he does, will we draft a QB at some point? Almost positively.

Sorry, like I said this was in reference to the 8th reply, and the reason for my list. Of course using today's players we only have a handful that are 33+ years old that we can name, but Shaun Hill is no where near that age right now so its pretty hard to gauge. And still in the end more of an assumption and opinion rather than trying to state facts. I could see if we just signed Jeff Garcia as our QB to compete with Alex Smith and Shaun Hill (And to tell you the truth even I would anoint him our starter over both Hill and Smith, hes been playing just as good if not better). But no doubt will we draft a QB in the next year or two, its the nature of the game.

Ohhh, about guys who "start playing great when they're 29/30" ? -- I getcha now. To respond to that then, most all of the guys you listed didn't start suddenly playing well at those ages. They already did so before then. My post was about guys like Hill that get their first starts around the age of 29. It's not something you see every day for that kind of QB to sustain good play, and their careers, for very long starting at that point. That's all.

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Originally posted by jones49:

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Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Norcal9er fan makes a good point! Based on what we've seen so far, Shaun Hill should start! There, Norcal9er, do you feel better?

Shaun Hill, at this point, should indeed start.

Thats webzone blasphemy.

Hey I love all our QBs, honestly. Whoever Sing decides gives us the best chance to win, I'll support. The hope is that it'll be Alex eventually and that he proves he can be the guy so we can be set with a franchise QB for years to come, because we know Shaun Hill isn't going to be that.

No way of knowing that, you could pretty much say that about any QB.

Well, true. I'll give that. But as he's past 30 now, it's not like he has that much longer left, and it doesn't appear the coaches seem confident in Hill as a long term answer either. But, perhaps he could be?

Actually hes only 29 years old, Kurt Warner is 38 and still going. So that still gives Hill 7-8 years to prove himself worthy in this league. But I haven't really got that feeling that the coaches don't have confidence in Hill. The signs I've got is that there just giving Smith his equal shot to redeem himself. Singletary has said if the season was to start today, Hill would be the starter.

Let me correct myself, I mean to say he's ALMOST past 30.

Kurt Warner is one of very few QB's that could actually last that long. The Warren Moon's, Favre's and Warners are extremely rare and make up but a small fraction of the league. Most good QB's hit the tail-end around 35, like Mark Brunell and McNair. (RIP) :(

It's just, how often do you see QB's start playing great at 29 or 30? It's unusual.

I think Hill is the short-term answer until we find his replacement, whether that be Smith or a new, developing, hot prospect rookie (or Nate Davis).

Again, Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, Jon Kitna (back to back 4,000 yard seasons), Jim Plunkett, Steve Young...off the top of my head.

But whether QB's are the short-term or long t-term answer is really up to the QB on how long he can play good consistently. Say, Hill gets us to the Playoffs 5 years in a row, what would you consider that, short-term or long-term??

In the end its about taking advantage of the opportunity given to you and solidifying it, that's all that matters.

Well, there you go! Like I said, that kind of player is fairly rare. Young retired 10 years ago. Plunkett almost 25 years ago. Garcia could be, but at this point isn't slated to start in Oakland. He was lucky (just like Warner was) to revive his career, and I'm glad he did because I liked him as a player. Kitna's career as a starter pretty much ended last year (at the age of the 35) with Detroit.

Looking at teams these days, those with starting QB's getting farther into their 30's are:

Panthers: Delhomme - 34
Titans: Collins - 36
Colts: Manning - 33
Dolphins: Pennington - 33, this could be his last year starting.
Cardinals: Warner - 38, retirement coming soon.
Seahawks: Hasselbeck - 33, career almost ended due to injury last year.

6/32 teams with starters 33 or older, or 18.75% and only 2 teams with starters over 35 -- It's not easy to sustain "good" play for that long. Back-up status, yes. But the former, not so much.

It's all up to Hill what happens, unless he gets hurt. Because if he doesn't play well enough to win in the playoffs, I would have no doubts that our team would still think about replacing him. We're always looking to upgrade at any position. Unless Hill does well enough, his job isn't safe. Who knows? Maybe he'll be Delhomme-like (in terms of early success) for a while?

But the thing I know is our coach and GM have Alex quite intently on their minds because he was supposed to be the man of the future. With that fact, I have a strong feeling they won't hesitate to put Alex in when they feel he's ready, barring great play by Hill. Shaun has a lot of pressure to perform, knowing this. I will be very happy if either quarterback plays and excels. As long as they're winning, that's what is important.

Of course I could give you more names, but the fact is, its not rare or common that a QB performs well at the age of 30 or more. Shoot, Alex Smith's best years could just be in his 30's. Shoot, Peyton Manning didn't win a Super Bowl till he was 30, actually 29 but his birthday is the month after the Super Bowl, but whatever. Anything can happen, its not science, its just a matter of time.

I think I'd consider it more "common" if around a third of the league or so had players at the older ages performing so well. The only point that I was trying to illustrate was the highly possible lack of longevity. You can go farther back and there is really no substantial difference in the ratio of starting QB's at that age, whether they be playing well or not, even.

Hill has never started a full NFL season. We are unsure if he can even stay healthy for that long.

Almost all of those QB's aside from Delhomme and Manning could be looking at either the end of their careers entirely, or their starting careers being over this year or next.

Now, on whether Hill can or can't do it, I'm not sure. I think he has the ability to do well for at least 2-3 years, maybe 4 if he stays healthy, but I don't know if he will.

If he stays here that long, there's a high probability we're going to be drafting a QB anyways, because Alex will have left by then and we'll look to draft someone else to develop along with Nate Davis.

Alright here we go, QB's 29-32+ that are playing well:

Donovan McNabb
Marc Bulger
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Jake Delhomme
Jeff Garcia
Kurt Warner
Chad Pennington
Kerry Collins
David Garrard
Tony Romo
Carson Palmer
Matt Haselbeck

Well that's 13 out of 14 that are starters in the NFL right now, that's pretty much half the league. And if Shaun Hill starts that would be 14 starting QB's in the NFL at the age of 29-30. Now whether Hill continues to play like he did last year remains to be seen. But in reference to the 8th reply (29-30), Hill still has a good chance for him to do good at his age.

I should've mentioned, when I said "that age" and "older ages" I meant 33+ like I was talking about before -- I did note that I believe Hill could do fine for a couple to three years, through the age of 32.

I would never try and argue that QB's can't play well around right at the age of the 30, since some of the best do so. But getting (farther) into their 30's that's something entirely different, and that's what I'm referring to. It's super easy to find good players up to 31.

I would swipe Bulger (just turned 32) off the list though. He's been awful for two straight years. Only 11 TDs each with 13 and 15 interceptions apiece.

Hill surely can do it. Will he? We'll have to wait and see.
Even if he does, will we draft a QB at some point? Almost positively.

Sorry, like I said this was in reference to the 8th reply, and the reason for my list. Of course using today's players we only have a handful that are 33+ years old that we can name, but Shaun Hill is no where near that age right now so its pretty hard to gauge. And still in the end more of an assumption and opinion rather than trying to state facts. I could see if we just signed Jeff Garcia as our QB to compete with Alex Smith and Shaun Hill (And to tell you the truth even I would anoint him our starter over both Hill and Smith, hes been playing just as good if not better). But no doubt will we draft a QB in the next year or two, its the nature of the game.

Ohhh, about guys who "start playing great when they're 29/30" ? -- I getcha now. To respond to that then, most all of the guys you listed didn't start suddenly playing well at those ages. They already did so before then. My post was about guys like Hill that get their first starts around the age of 29. It's not something you see every day for that kind of QB to sustain good play, and their careers, for very long starting at that point. That's all.

Well i like hill, i mean he has won games for us, now how his record is looked at I aint even gonna go there, but I agree as well. Most think of smith because he is 25, lets be honest. and he´s definitely no leaf, lol, didnt he get arrested for selling drugs, lmao. but back to the subject at hand, hills been in the league for over 8 years, and has not started for a reason, i dont know whats soo hard about that reality. Not given a chance, i wouldn´t say that, teams just felt they had better qb´s on the squad that could do more, JUST LIKE WE DID SINCE HE´S BEEN ON OUR TEAM.
I just think that hill taking us to a superbowl is cinderalla far- fetched. and forget about smith for a sec. when a team can plan around your capabilities then your screwed, just like for the last few games of last season, teams just planned around hills weaknesses, and besides a sustaining drive or two, he really made no noise. I just say the likliness that Hill turns our club into a contender is futurama. may not be smith, davis, or huard, but besides maybe 8-8 at best. lets just sit back and enjoy whatever comes:)

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Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Norcal9er fan makes a good point! Based on what we've seen so far, Shaun Hill should start! There, Norcal9er, do you feel better?

Shaun Hill, at this point, should indeed start.

Thats webzone blasphemy.

Hey I love all our QBs, honestly. Whoever Sing decides gives us the best chance to win, I'll support. The hope is that it'll be Alex eventually and that he proves he can be the guy so we can be set with a franchise QB for years to come, because we know Shaun Hill isn't going to be that.

No way of knowing that, you could pretty much say that about any QB.

Well, true. I'll give that. But as he's past 30 now, it's not like he has that much longer left, and it doesn't appear the coaches seem confident in Hill as a long term answer either. But, perhaps he could be?

Actually hes only 29 years old, Kurt Warner is 38 and still going. So that still gives Hill 7-8 years to prove himself worthy in this league. But I haven't really got that feeling that the coaches don't have confidence in Hill. The signs I've got is that there just giving Smith his equal shot to redeem himself. Singletary has said if the season was to start today, Hill would be the starter.

Let me correct myself, I mean to say he's ALMOST past 30.

Kurt Warner is one of very few QB's that could actually last that long. The Warren Moon's, Favre's and Warners are extremely rare and make up but a small fraction of the league. Most good QB's hit the tail-end around 35, like Mark Brunell and McNair. (RIP) :(

It's just, how often do you see QB's start playing great at 29 or 30? It's unusual.

I think Hill is the short-term answer until we find his replacement, whether that be Smith or a new, developing, hot prospect rookie (or Nate Davis).

Again, Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, Jon Kitna (back to back 4,000 yard seasons), Jim Plunkett, Steve Young...off the top of my head.

But whether QB's are the short-term or long t-term answer is really up to the QB on how long he can play good consistently. Say, Hill gets us to the Playoffs 5 years in a row, what would you consider that, short-term or long-term??

In the end its about taking advantage of the opportunity given to you and solidifying it, that's all that matters.

Well, there you go! Like I said, that kind of player is fairly rare. Young retired 10 years ago. Plunkett almost 25 years ago. Garcia could be, but at this point isn't slated to start in Oakland. He was lucky (just like Warner was) to revive his career, and I'm glad he did because I liked him as a player. Kitna's career as a starter pretty much ended last year (at the age of the 35) with Detroit.

Looking at teams these days, those with starting QB's getting farther into their 30's are:

Panthers: Delhomme - 34
Titans: Collins - 36
Colts: Manning - 33
Dolphins: Pennington - 33, this could be his last year starting.
Cardinals: Warner - 38, retirement coming soon.
Seahawks: Hasselbeck - 33, career almost ended due to injury last year.

6/32 teams with starters 33 or older, or 18.75% and only 2 teams with starters over 35 -- It's not easy to sustain "good" play for that long. Back-up status, yes. But the former, not so much.

It's all up to Hill what happens, unless he gets hurt. Because if he doesn't play well enough to win in the playoffs, I would have no doubts that our team would still think about replacing him. We're always looking to upgrade at any position. Unless Hill does well enough, his job isn't safe. Who knows? Maybe he'll be Delhomme-like (in terms of early success) for a while?

But the thing I know is our coach and GM have Alex quite intently on their minds because he was supposed to be the man of the future. With that fact, I have a strong feeling they won't hesitate to put Alex in when they feel he's ready, barring great play by Hill. Shaun has a lot of pressure to perform, knowing this. I will be very happy if either quarterback plays and excels. As long as they're winning, that's what is important.

Of course I could give you more names, but the fact is, its not rare or common that a QB performs well at the age of 30 or more. Shoot, Alex Smith's best years could just be in his 30's. Shoot, Peyton Manning didn't win a Super Bowl till he was 30, actually 29 but his birthday is the month after the Super Bowl, but whatever. Anything can happen, its not science, its just a matter of time.

I think I'd consider it more "common" if around a third of the league or so had players at the older ages performing so well. The only point that I was trying to illustrate was the highly possible lack of longevity. You can go farther back and there is really no substantial difference in the ratio of starting QB's at that age, whether they be playing well or not, even.

Hill has never started a full NFL season. We are unsure if he can even stay healthy for that long.

Almost all of those QB's aside from Delhomme and Manning could be looking at either the end of their careers entirely, or their starting careers being over this year or next.

Now, on whether Hill can or can't do it, I'm not sure. I think he has the ability to do well for at least 2-3 years, maybe 4 if he stays healthy, but I don't know if he will.

If he stays here that long, there's a high probability we're going to be drafting a QB anyways, because Alex will have left by then and we'll look to draft someone else to develop along with Nate Davis.

Alright here we go, QB's 29-32+ that are playing well:

Donovan McNabb
Marc Bulger
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Jake Delhomme
Jeff Garcia
Kurt Warner
Chad Pennington
Kerry Collins
David Garrard
Tony Romo
Carson Palmer
Matt Haselbeck

Well that's 13 out of 14 that are starters in the NFL right now, that's pretty much half the league. And if Shaun Hill starts that would be 14 starting QB's in the NFL at the age of 29-30. Now whether Hill continues to play like he did last year remains to be seen. But in reference to the 8th reply (29-30), Hill still has a good chance for him to do good at his age.

I should've mentioned, when I said "that age" and "older ages" I meant 33+ like I was talking about before -- I did note that I believe Hill could do fine for a couple to three years, through the age of 32.

I would never try and argue that QB's can't play well around right at the age of the 30, since some of the best do so. But getting (farther) into their 30's that's something entirely different, and that's what I'm referring to. It's super easy to find good players up to 31.

I would swipe Bulger (just turned 32) off the list though. He's been awful for two straight years. Only 11 TDs each with 13 and 15 interceptions apiece.

Hill surely can do it. Will he? We'll have to wait and see.
Even if he does, will we draft a QB at some point? Almost positively.

Sorry, like I said this was in reference to the 8th reply, and the reason for my list. Of course using today's players we only have a handful that are 33+ years old that we can name, but Shaun Hill is no where near that age right now so its pretty hard to gauge. And still in the end more of an assumption and opinion rather than trying to state facts. I could see if we just signed Jeff Garcia as our QB to compete with Alex Smith and Shaun Hill (And to tell you the truth even I would anoint him our starter over both Hill and Smith, hes been playing just as good if not better). But no doubt will we draft a QB in the next year or two, its the nature of the game.

Ohhh, about guys who "start playing great when they're 29/30" ? -- I getcha now. To respond to that then, most all of the guys you listed didn't start suddenly playing well at those ages. They already did so before then. My post was about guys like Hill that get their first starts around the age of 29. It's not something you see every day for that kind of QB to sustain good play, and their careers, for very long starting at that point. That's all.

Your right its not something you see everyday. But, how many QB's have been in Hill situation, where they sat for four years and then started to show potential of playing good?? I could see if there were a lot of QB's who sat for awhile like Hill did, then that could also gauge that's it highly unlikely that Hill could succeed.

We're less than 3 weeks away until training camp. That is when this QB competition goes into full swing!

As soon as i found this i had to post it. Now for the record, it´s not a knock on shaun hill, but this quote was given from the football outsiders, and whether or not it holds water, well who cares. It just talks and adresses the issue that someone finally stepped up and said about the skewed 7-3 record as a starter and to the fans that say why he should be appointed the starter this season, just check it out.

Much has been made of Hill’s 7-3 record as the 49ers starter, but it is misguided enthusiasm. Two of his wins came against last year’s 2-14 Rams. Two more came against teams with nothing to play for, including the 2007 Bucca­neers, who were actively resting all their players. That leaves Hill with a win over the Bengals in 2007 and vic­tories over the Bills and Jets last year, in which the team scored a combined 54 points. Color us impressed.

Now as i said not a knock on him because he has won games for us, but because of 7-3 doesn´t mean he should start. This quote IMHO says why a qb comp with the no 1 pick is justifiable. Cause like it or not his winning record is not really saying much at all over a 4 yr period. and since you have those that say he has never started a season, well this isnt the time to say, because he hasnt, is why he should, know what i mean fellas. So i now agree when Sing says that hill and smith are on the same equal level now, and should make for a great TC.

Once again, go QB competition. :)

Thanks for posting this! I was about to myself. I have been saying this about Shaun Hill ever since last season ended. There is nothing really impressive about the way Shaun Hill has played, but because he helped us win some games after Trent Dilfer and J.T. O'Sullivan were losing them, his stature gets overblown, especially by 49er fans who love their quarterbacks.

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Originally posted by indianajim:
Thanks for posting this! I was about to myself. I have been saying this about Shaun Hill ever since last season ended. There is nothing really impressive about the way Shaun Hill has played, but because he helped us win some games after Trent Dilfer and J.T. O'Sullivan were losing them, his stature gets overblown, especially by 49er fans who love their quarterbacks.

You're welcome Jim!

I agree with you completely, Shaun Hill hasn't been spectacular AT ALL! I mean, yes, he won several games for us last season, including 5 out of our last 7, but was he impressive in those wins? I would have to say NO!!!

So clearly, I am all in favor of moving Hill straight to the bench, and giving the starting job to it's rightful owner, Alex Smith. I know he's been injured and hasn't played for 2 whole seasons, but he was our #1 overall pick and has the potential to be great!

Hill may have won us a few games, but if you wanna see some impressive football being played, then the job should go to Alex.

Originally posted by Apples:

Originally posted by indianajim:
Thanks for posting this! I was about to myself. I have been saying this about Shaun Hill ever since last season ended. There is nothing really impressive about the way Shaun Hill has played, but because he helped us win some games after Trent Dilfer and J.T. O'Sullivan were losing them, his stature gets overblown, especially by 49er fans who love their quarterbacks.

You're welcome Jim!

I agree with you completely, Shaun Hill hasn't been spectacular AT ALL! I mean, yes, he won several games for us last season, including 5 out of our last 7, but was he impressive in those wins? I would have to say NO!!!

So clearly, I am all in favor of moving Hill straight to the bench, and giving the starting job to it's rightful owner, Alex Smith. I know he's been injured and hasn't played for 2 whole seasons, but he was our #1 overall pick and has the potential to be great!

Hill may have won us a few games, but if you wanna see some impressive football being played, then the job should go to Alex.

No man,the starter should be whoever wins the competition,neither of them has done enough to warrant the job being handed to them.