QB Competition

Originally posted by kelpie70:
Okay, guys with the QB situation just about decided (Shaun Hill=starter), after last night, what it be safe to conclude that it may be over for Alex Smith as a viable candidate for niners QB position? Do you think it may be good for us to invest whatever meaningful time and preparation into Davis instead of Smith? I mean Davis did look pretty good in the game flow adlibbing and all; just a thought?


GO NINERS!

How is anything decided when Hill can't even get us into the Endzone at the 4 yard line??? Say what you want about him but he wasnt on his game last night. He even tried to act like a full back when he got tackled. Alex kept his eyes down field and was looking to comlete the Pass. Hill did not look like his normal self. Did the Raiders figure to cover the Dump off Pass because Hill did not look good at all. I Did like the one pass to keep a drive alive when we got the field goal though.

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by GoFD74:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by GoFD74:
Here's what Smith supporters don't get. It's not about fault when it comes to negative plays. Whether you're just not that good or you're just unlucky isn't relevant in the NFL...you .

Gonna have to just stop reading from there... it certainly does matter, or there never would have been a competition in the first place. Meaning that although Alex has had overall poor numbers, other adverse factors have been considered into why that is... not just the bottom line, end result type of thinking. The same does and should apply here.... will it? we'll see.

I know what you're saying, but you're missing my point. The NFL is a bottom-line/end result kind of world. As a QB, you either win or you get benched. As a coach, you either win or you get fired. As a GM, your team either wins or you find another job.

Now, as I said, the why's and how's do get factored in from an evaluation standpoint...of course. People don't just blindly lose their jobs without some consideration of the details. But at the end of the day, the results matter most in this league. Surely you know this.

Yes, I see now where you are coming from. Just don'tknow how I feel about it. Seems wrong for a QB to do what he needs to do, only to have horrid play around him ruin or negatively affect his future. Guess I'm hoping that his chances to start are not over because of these circumstances... and that the damn receivers will do their jobs for all QBs (not to say that they are deliberately dropping passes).

Right they do get paid to catch the Ball. I thought for sure Davis and Morgans should have been caught. Bruce had a harder ball but still managable. Thank god it's only Preseason.

Originally posted by bigmur49:
Sounds like they are making an assumption but..

espn.com

looks like they are gonna make the right decision.

Originally posted by kelpie70:
Okay, guys with the QB situation just about decided (Shaun Hill=starter), after last night, what it be safe to conclude that it may be over for Alex Smith as a viable candidate for niners QB position? Do you think it may be good for us to invest whatever meaningful time and preparation into Davis instead of Smith? I mean Davis did look pretty good in the game flow adlibbing and all; just a thought?


GO NINERS!

The bottom line is this: Shaun Hill will likely never lead us to a Super Bowl, unless we miraculously revamp the roster in the next few years. Teams don't go to the Super Bowl with below-average QBs unless they're SOLID in EVERY area, like the Baltimore Ravens with Dilfer, or the Chicago Bears with Grossman. We are nowhere near solid in every area. So, what do we do, considering our average-at-best drafting? I doubt we'll ever get to the point that we're solid in every single area. So, IMO, we need to start thinking about having that Peyton Manning type QB that can win games for us and cover up some of our holes. Is Hill that? No. Will he ever be? No. Could he be a good fit somewhere that needs an average QB who doesn't turn the ball over? Yes.

I think we should spend time developing QBs on the roster with upside. If there are none on the roster, GET ONE. Chicago stepped up and got Cutler, and they'll be rewarded this year. I don't get how a team can go what, 7 years without getting a good QB. Smith didn't pan out, fine. GET SOMEONE. Go after McNabb. Get Cutler. Do SOMETHING besides sit there and have 6 straight losing seasons. Take a chance. Go with Smith or Davis, IMO. If they should fall flat on their faces, then fine, go with Hill. He'll "save" us and get us to 8-8 or 9-7 and an early Wild Card exit. Rant over.

Originally posted by aacadena:


Right they do get paid to catch the Ball. I thought for sure Davis and Morgans should have been caught. Bruce had a harder ball but still managable. Thank god it's only Preseason.

Yes, and I keep reading that these high passes are a problem. As a former WR, I very much wanted the ball thrown to my head. Made it much easier for me to catch. Ball placement and RAC yards are... swell... but really, all we can demand at this point is that receivers catch the damn ball if it's in their area.

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by GoFD74:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by GoFD74:
Here's what Smith supporters don't get. It's not about fault when it comes to negative plays. Whether you're just not that good or you're just unlucky isn't relevant in the NFL...you .

Gonna have to just stop reading from there... it certainly does matter, or there never would have been a competition in the first place. Meaning that although Alex has had overall poor numbers, other adverse factors have been considered into why that is... not just the bottom line, end result type of thinking. The same does and should apply here.... will it? we'll see.

I know what you're saying, but you're missing my point. The NFL is a bottom-line/end result kind of world. As a QB, you either win or you get benched. As a coach, you either win or you get fired. As a GM, your team either wins or you find another job.

Now, as I said, the why's and how's do get factored in from an evaluation standpoint...of course. People don't just blindly lose their jobs without some consideration of the details. But at the end of the day, the results matter most in this league. Surely you know this.

Yes, I see now where you are coming from. Just don'tknow how I feel about it. Seems wrong for a QB to do what he needs to do, only to have horrid play around him ruin or negatively affect his future. Guess I'm hoping that his chances to start are not over because of these circumstances... and that the damn receivers will do their jobs for all QBs (not to say that they are deliberately dropping passes).

It's definitely not fair to place all the blame on one guy, especially if he's doing his job. But that's the nature of the NFL QB...he either finds a way to make good things happen for his team (one of which is to make the players around him rise to a higher level of execution), or he gives way to someone else who can.

Originally posted by B650:


The bottom line is this: Shaun Hill will likely never lead us to a Super Bowl, unless we miraculously revamp the roster in the next few years.

You should really stop using absolutes like this. We don't KNOW this any more than we KNOW that Alex can or can't excel as a QB. All this does is feed the haters some more. Are we not yet tired of that?

edit: oh, guess you did add "likely" to your comment.

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by B650:


The bottom line is this: Shaun Hill will likely never lead us to a Super Bowl, unless we miraculously revamp the roster in the next few years.

You should really stop using absolutes like this. We don't KNOW this any more than we KNOW that Alex can or can't excel as a QB. All this does is feed the haters some more. Are we not yet tired of that?

Of course we don't. Anything is possible. I'm just trying to be realistic.

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you can lock this thread now

Originally posted by billybonka:
attn mods:

you can lock this thread now

Why they haven't made a decision yet.

Attention wanna-be mods: let the real mods do their jobs.

Originally posted by B650:

Originally posted by kelpie70:
Okay, guys with the QB situation just about decided (Shaun Hill=starter), after last night, what it be safe to conclude that it may be over for Alex Smith as a viable candidate for niners QB position? Do you think it may be good for us to invest whatever meaningful time and preparation into Davis instead of Smith? I mean Davis did look pretty good in the game flow adlibbing and all; just a thought?


GO NINERS!

The bottom line is this: Shaun Hill will likely never lead us to a Super Bowl, unless we miraculously revamp the roster in the next few years. Teams don't go to the Super Bowl with below-average QBs unless they're SOLID in EVERY area, like the Baltimore Ravens with Dilfer, or the Chicago Bears with Grossman. We are nowhere near solid in every area. So, what do we do, considering our average-at-best drafting? I doubt we'll ever get to the point that we're solid in every single area. So, IMO, we need to start thinking about having that Peyton Manning type QB that can win games for us and cover up some of our holes. Is Hill that? No. Will he ever be? No. Could he be a good fit somewhere that needs an average QB who doesn't turn the ball over? Yes.

I think we should spend time developing QBs on the roster with upside. If there are none on the roster, GET ONE. Chicago stepped up and got Cutler, and they'll be rewarded this year. I don't get how a team can go what, 7 years without getting a good QB. Smith didn't pan out, fine. GET SOMEONE. Go after McNabb. Get Cutler. Do SOMETHING besides sit there and have 6 straight losing seasons. Take a chance. Go with Smith or Davis, IMO. If they should fall flat on their faces, then fine, go with Hill. He'll "save" us and get us to 8-8 or 9-7 and an early Wild Card exit. Rant over.

It's a strong possibility the 49ers will draft a QB next year with their 2 1st rnd picks,we'll have to wait and see.I have to add Nate D looked pretty good yesterday.

Originally posted by Super5:

Originally posted by B650:

Originally posted by kelpie70:
Okay, guys with the QB situation just about decided (Shaun Hill=starter), after last night, what it be safe to conclude that it may be over for Alex Smith as a viable candidate for niners QB position? Do you think it may be good for us to invest whatever meaningful time and preparation into Davis instead of Smith? I mean Davis did look pretty good in the game flow adlibbing and all; just a thought?


GO NINERS!

The bottom line is this: Shaun Hill will likely never lead us to a Super Bowl, unless we miraculously revamp the roster in the next few years. Teams don't go to the Super Bowl with below-average QBs unless they're SOLID in EVERY area, like the Baltimore Ravens with Dilfer, or the Chicago Bears with Grossman. We are nowhere near solid in every area. So, what do we do, considering our average-at-best drafting? I doubt we'll ever get to the point that we're solid in every single area. So, IMO, we need to start thinking about having that Peyton Manning type QB that can win games for us and cover up some of our holes. Is Hill that? No. Will he ever be? No. Could he be a good fit somewhere that needs an average QB who doesn't turn the ball over? Yes.

I think we should spend time developing QBs on the roster with upside. If there are none on the roster, GET ONE. Chicago stepped up and got Cutler, and they'll be rewarded this year. I don't get how a team can go what, 7 years without getting a good QB. Smith didn't pan out, fine. GET SOMEONE. Go after McNabb. Get Cutler. Do SOMETHING besides sit there and have 6 straight losing seasons. Take a chance. Go with Smith or Davis, IMO. If they should fall flat on their faces, then fine, go with Hill. He'll "save" us and get us to 8-8 or 9-7 and an early Wild Card exit. Rant over.

It's a strong possibility the 49ers will draft a QB next year with their 2 1st rnd picks,we'll have to wait and see.I have to add Nate D looked pretty good yesterday.

Yeah he did, especially on the two consecutive passes to Walker.

I believe A.Smith has proven that SF is not the place for him. I'm not even sure at this point he's better than D.Huard and should even be considered for the 2nd string position.
I actually believe that it might be worth cutting him and moving Davis to the 3rd string position so that he can atleast play with the scout team while working on his mechanics in preparation of potentially seeing more playing time in the future.
BTW - I'm not making these suggestions just by watching his latest game. I have seen enough of his
- lack of instincts
- holding the ball too long
- lack of accuracy in a game situation

On a side note, is Huard also better than Hill. I'm not sure about that - just wondering.

I have no idea where all this love for Huard comes from. If as you say he is either the best or the second best qb, perhaps you could explain why the coaches didn't use him at all. I think that points rather towards the coaches not rating Huard anywhere near as high.

With Davis making a promising start I suspect Huard will now be seeking his 5th team