QB Competition

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by fan49:
if week 9 is where it starts for hill 07-08

def. rankings with W-L

vik- 20 w
det- 32 w
sea- 15 w
no- 26 l
gb- 11 l
sea- 15 w
ar- 17 l
den- 19 w

besides teams playing weaker and keeping certain people out, alex beat the cards hill didn't! the only team hill beat with a top 15 d was sea. hill did not do anything to win the starting job imo!

Hill didn't beat Seattle and Smith played the Cards when they were 8-8, matter of fact that's the only time he beat them. But right now comparing each others wins and losses is irrelevant since Hill has yet to start a full season.

My thing is simply this, start the guy who help contribute to our newly named HC and build off that win vs. Washington. And why not let Smith sit and learn A offense for the first time in his career without rushing him back into the fire.

i dont disagree with the latter. and i will root the same for hill as i would smith during the season. I would just love for smith to get the gig. so until the word is out go smith. but the defensive rankings i included i think do back up some opinions.

Where are you getting those rankings from and where did you get Hill beating the Seahawks from?

i just edited it. and a few posts before someone posted teams and w or l. went off that. rankings i went http://www.coachescorner.com/n_input/nnweb/scores/header_nfl_def_rank.htm

iv done it before with the bengals. i might have differnt years between the post im speaking of with team and w or l. if so i will edit. but i will verify rankings on espn now. some stuff might be scued got 3 hrs sleep. cant go back to bed cause its game day!!!!

vik ranked 6
det 32
sea 30
no 23
gb 20
sea 30
ar 19
den 29

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=team&sort=ypg&pos=def&league=nfl&year=2008&season=2

if someone can post w-l for me cant find it it would be great. looks worse for hill than when i messed it up.

MODS is this not a record amount of posts in a thread?

Originally posted by fan49:
MODS is this not a record amount of posts in a thread?

not even close

This board is hilarous in how they cry about Alex getting thrown to the wolves in his first year.....back then about 97% of the folks on 9erzone wanted Alex to play and now everyone is like "poor Alex, any QB would have failed....F'u Nolan"

riiiiiiiiight you fellers are funny.

When Rattay was traded most of the board were doing cartwheels just because they knew the 49ers starting job was Alex's NO MATTER WHAT. 49ers Front office tried to hand the job to Alex in the offseason and training camp by giving him the most reps...as well as most time with the first team......what happened....he still got beat out by a 6 round draft pick in Rattay.

and from there we saw on numerous occasions where Nolan and Scott held this team back by not bringing in true competition for the QB position....and most of the 9erZone posters (which I'm sure some are posting in this thread) were fine with this, because that meant Alex was the only one that would get to start, no matter how horrible he did.

and these same fans are the ones in this thread who are terrified of Huard, because they know Huard would play better than Alex if given the true opportunity.......you fellers are just lucky that idiot Scott is still control of this team.....hoping and praying his initial investment still pans out, for his sake.

Any form of competition scares the bejesus out of these Bias Alex Fans.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by fan49:
if week 9 is where it starts for hill 07-08

def. rankings with W-L

vik- 20 w
det- 32 w
sea- 15 w
no- 26 l
gb- 11 l
sea- 15 w
ar- 17 l
den- 19 w

besides teams playing weaker and keeping certain people out, alex beat the cards hill didn't! the only team hill beat with a top 15 d was sea. hill did not do anything to win the starting job imo!

Hill didn't beat Seattle and Smith played the Cards when they were 8-8, matter of fact that's the only time he beat them. But right now comparing each others wins and losses is irrelevant since Hill has yet to start a full season.

My thing is simply this, start the guy who help contribute to our newly named HC and build off that win vs. Washington. And why not let Smith sit and learn A offense for the first time in his career without rushing him back into the fire.

I still have hope for Smith but I agree that this would probably be best for both him and the Niners right now.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Here's how sorry Alex Smith has been: this start could decide his fate. Now, if he was even an average startingQB, why would ONE preseason start decide that type of starter's fate.

I'm sorry, but he has sucked so bad to the point that if he sucks tomorrow or doesn't do enough to win the starting job, then he will be a nobody in the NFL. Starter capable QBs don't allow one game to decide their fate.l

Flip the other side of that coin. Kinda shows about Hill, doesn't it? This is all a matter of patience... and yours among many others have run out. Get that...

As Arnaz Battle said in a recent article... missing field time affects the speed of the game... gotta work it back in. (never played ball?) Same goes for Alex, but I can understand that at this time, Hill may be better ready to serve the cause. What was your story again? Anti-Smith or big Hill believer? So many, I forget...

Missing field time? You mean in 2006 when he was the only Niner QB to start every single snap? That was a playoff year that was not because of this guy. We didn't win 7 because of him, we lost 9 because of him.

Joe the farther this goes the more ridiculous you are sounding, Smith was directly responsible for two of those wins at least. You are seriously hurting your credibility with these ridiculous blanket statements. I am neither a Hill or Smith fan, and am honestly not really that impressed with either of them at this point, but you are downright irrational in your hatred for Smith. Do you even comprehend the word objectivity? The defense was horrible that year ranked 32nd in points allowed and 26th in yards allowed, so you statement is not only non fact, but laughable for its lack of effort to research before you post. You say we won 7 in spite of Smith, well I contend that we won 7 in spite of the defense. Good lord you are starting to fall into the category of Sabrason/Singfan with this weak ass post.

Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:

Originally posted by fan49:
MODS is this not a record amount of posts in a thread?

not even close

my bad i think game threads get this high.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
This board is hilarous in how they cry about Alex getting thrown to the wolves in his first year.....back then about 97% of the folks on 9erzone wanted Alex to play and now everyone is like "poor Alex, any QB would have failed....F'u Nolan"

riiiiiiiiight you fellers are funny.

When Rattay was traded most of the board were doing cartwheels just because they knew the 49ers starting job was Alex's NO MATTER WHAT. 49ers Front office tried to hand the job to Alex in the offseason and training camp by giving him the most reps...as well as most time with the first team......what happened....he still got beat out by a 6 round draft pick in Rattay.

and from there we saw on numerous occasions where Nolan and Scott held this team back by not bringing in true competition for the QB position....and most of the 9erZone posters (which I'm sure some are posting in this thread) were fine with this, because that meant Alex was the only one that would get to start, no matter how horrible he did.

and these same fans are the ones in this thread who are terrified of Huard, because they know Huard would play better than Alex if given the true opportunity.......you fellers are just lucky that idiot Scott is still control of this team.....hoping and praying his initial investment still pans out, for his sake.

Any form of competition scares the bejesus out of these Bias Alex Fans.

first off huard is going to retire soon so thats a waste of breath...... second alex was pressured way to much by nolan. not coached, and has learned way tooooooo many offenses. its not crying its backing up a player that has been screwed. was he a #1 pick. no. was it his fault he was picked #1 no. shoul;d we have picked rogers, maybe.

has hill proven to be a good qb. maybe..... like i posted before ( go back 1 page and read the d's i posted from espn not the first one i posted.) 07-08 is the only season to compare. he played the bottom of the barrel defenses and won some games. same offense, yes hill got a boost with tollner. and alex played with a terrible d and won some games so what. hill is not an answer to any situation. all he could do is get us by til a really good qb comes here.

is alex great no, never i mean never had the opportunity. except 06 when everyone and yes even you were loving the guy saying hes our qb of the future. stop the hate bro. i have said many times i will root for whoever wins the comp. but til then i back up are first round pick who might have had a possibility of a career ruined by our staff.

lol i think maiocco wrote this article for some of you

basically a nice way of saying, stfu and root for both

ill post it for the lazy 1's.... thanks mm.

Picking sides: Smith or Hill

Alex Smith and Shaun Hill are good friends - very good friends. And on a personal level, it does not seem to matter that they both want what only one man will get. They remain allies despite their very public 49ers quarterback competition.

So if Smith and Hill are such good buddies, why is there such vitriol among their fans?


To the Hill supporters who flood the comments section with anti-Smith sentiment: What has Alex done in the past two years to alienate you? He finished 2006 on an uptick. He was a 22-year-old who showed remarkable progress in his second NFL season with an inferior supporting cast. Since that time, he's played three healthy games. (He's finally healthy again.)

And to the Smith backers who are searching for reasons to lambaste Hill: What has this guy done wrong when given an opportunity to play? He is the classic overachiever with underrated physical skills. All that matters is that when he's been on the field, the 49ers have won 70-percent of the time.
I've written in the past several days that Hill has seemingly taken the lead in the quarterback competition. It's an observation that has been supported by team sources with whom I've spoken. But the door has not slammed on Smith.

If Smith plays well tonight against the Raiders, he might extend the competition to the wire. If Hill clearly outplays him, it is possible coach Mike Singletary will make a decision sooner than later.

In any event, whichever quarterback does not win the starting job for the Sept. 13 regular-season opener, must remain ready. In all likelihood, they will both be needed to produce at some point in the season.

These two guys are also very good for the image of the 49ers during a time when conduct and greed are issues around the NFL. There have been a handful of national reporters this summer who have spoken to both Smith and Hill, and then reported back to me about how great they were.

My standard sarcastic response is, "Yep, they're real divas, aren't they?"

People who've come in contact with Smith and Hill agree that they would like to see both of them succeed. It's too bad more fans don't have the same mindset.

Originally posted by teeohh:
lol i think maiocco wrote this article for some of you

basically a nice way of saying, stfu and root for both

Yeah, I really like this piece. Great points all around. And seriously, if you prefer one over the other that does NOT mean that have to hate or root against the other.

I think Hill should start the season. But I still like Smith and would love to see him succeed with the niners. I don't feel conflicted. Hill is clearly the best guy to start the season in my mind. If he continues to win then great, we'll worry about Smith's future later. If Hill struggles or (hopefully not) gets injured, I'd be very excited about seeing a healthy Smith get a shot with a real WR core.

Can't we all just get along?

Can we all just agree to disagree?

No matter which side you take, I think we can all agree the Alex Smith situation was mishandled from Day 1. Nolan had no real plan of how to properly develop Alex Smith. There is no denying Alex has all of the physical ability needed to be successful, but the revolving door of OCs didn't exactly help matters.

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
If you're going to pin our failure to make the postseason in 2006 on one player -- in a team sport, then i just don't know what to say.

It's not as if Alex missed the field goal that would have sent us to the playoffs or fumbled the hold....

You've lost all objectivity as far as i can see.

-9fA

You can pin it on one play, but there was only one player that year who slowed us down more than a kicker or a holder. I'm just saying, if you want to count plays that could be made that were left on the field, I am sure Alex Smith was more responsible for these than any other person was...I mean, if you want to count the numbers.

Just admit it, the only hope we have going for us is to hope that he is a Troy Aikman because he has sucked the money and possibilities of this team up to this point.

If management even believed he was an average QB in 2006, Alex would not have needed to restructure. If there was any inkling that he has starter capabilities, there would not be a reason for him to restructure.

All arrows for this kid lead to bust. Miracles do happen so let us hope this kid has one in him.

I'm just getting sick and tired of people using his past play as a reason to keep hope. Trend says he will still hold onto the ball too long and throw it late gaining an average of 125 yards a game. Let's hope a miracle happens and he has an out of body experience for the rest of his career.

You gotta put the season and the play into perspective. I'm not quite sure what your expectation was of Alex but i can see that he did not meet them? Did he? Serious question btw. What were you expecting?

And if you thought that after going 4-12 the previous year, Alex Smith's play was going to be the single determining factor in us making the playoffs then yeah...i'll just leave it at that. Fact is, we overachieved and it was evident the following year.

I don't quite understand you're "restructure" argument. What are you trying to get at? I think management has faith, just not $10mil worth. You don't think management was going to have questions about a quarterback who was coming off shoulder surgery and hadn't thrown a football for any length of time in 2 years?

-9fA

Originally posted by PTulini:
Can we all just agree to disagree?

No matter which side you take, I think we can all agree the Alex Smith situation was mishandled from Day 1. Nolan had no real plan of how to properly develop Alex Smith. There is no denying Alex has all of the physical ability needed to be successful, but the revolving door of OCs didn't exactly help matters.

Whatever way it plays out, it'll be fine.

Hill will do fine if he starts, and I believe Alex will too.

If Hill gets hurt, I actually would expect Alex to step in and prove himself, possibly so well that he reclaims the permanent starting position for good.