QB Competition

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Here's how sorry Alex Smith has been: this start could decide his fate. Now, if he was even an average startingQB, why would ONE preseason start decide that type of starter's fate.

I'm sorry, but he has sucked so bad to the point that if he sucks tomorrow or doesn't do enough to win the starting job, then he will be a nobody in the NFL. Starter capable QBs don't allow one game to decide their fate.l

Flip the other side of that coin. Kinda shows about Hill, doesn't it? This is all a matter of patience... and yours among many others have run out. Get that...

As Arnaz Battle said in a recent article... missing field time affects the speed of the game... gotta work it back in. (never played ball?) Same goes for Alex, but I can understand that at this time, Hill may be better ready to serve the cause. What was your story again? Anti-Smith or big Hill believer? So many, I forget...

Missing field time? You mean in 2006 when he was the only Niner QB to start every single snap? That was a playoff year that was not because of this guy. We didn't win 7 because of him, we lost 9 because of him.

Wow.

-9fA

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Here's how sorry Alex Smith has been: this start could decide his fate. Now, if he was even an average startingQB, why would ONE preseason start decide that type of starter's fate.

I'm sorry, but he has sucked so bad to the point that if he sucks tomorrow or doesn't do enough to win the starting job, then he will be a nobody in the NFL. Starter capable QBs don't allow one game to decide their fate.l

Flip the other side of that coin. Kinda shows about Hill, doesn't it? This is all a matter of patience... and yours among many others have run out. Get that...

As Arnaz Battle said in a recent article... missing field time affects the speed of the game... gotta work it back in. (never played ball?) Same goes for Alex, but I can understand that at this time, Hill may be better ready to serve the cause. What was your story again? Anti-Smith or big Hill believer? So many, I forget...

Missing field time? You mean in 2006 when he was the only Niner QB to start every single snap? That was a playoff year that was not because of this guy. We didn't win 7 because of him, we lost 9 because of him.

You might just be going off the rails here. It is getting harder to take your assertions seriously. The next step would seem to be question whether or not Smith was really born in the US and exposing his role in Obama's death panels.

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Here's how sorry Alex Smith has been: this start could decide his fate. Now, if he was even an average startingQB, why would ONE preseason start decide that type of starter's fate.

I'm sorry, but he has sucked so bad to the point that if he sucks tomorrow or doesn't do enough to win the starting job, then he will be a nobody in the NFL. Starter capable QBs don't allow one game to decide their fate.l

Flip the other side of that coin. Kinda shows about Hill, doesn't it? This is all a matter of patience... and yours among many others have run out. Get that...

As Arnaz Battle said in a recent article... missing field time affects the speed of the game... gotta work it back in. (never played ball?) Same goes for Alex, but I can understand that at this time, Hill may be better ready to serve the cause. What was your story again? Anti-Smith or big Hill believer? So many, I forget...

Missing field time? You mean in 2006 when he was the only Niner QB to start every single snap? That was a playoff year that was not because of this guy. We didn't win 7 because of him, we lost 9 because of him.

Wow.

-9fA

1700 yard back with a defense that finished the last 8 games ranked 7th. You tell me why we didn't make the playoffs.

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Here's how sorry Alex Smith has been: this start could decide his fate. Now, if he was even an average startingQB, why would ONE preseason start decide that type of starter's fate.

I'm sorry, but he has sucked so bad to the point that if he sucks tomorrow or doesn't do enough to win the starting job, then he will be a nobody in the NFL. Starter capable QBs don't allow one game to decide their fate.l

Flip the other side of that coin. Kinda shows about Hill, doesn't it? This is all a matter of patience... and yours among many others have run out. Get that...

As Arnaz Battle said in a recent article... missing field time affects the speed of the game... gotta work it back in. (never played ball?) Same goes for Alex, but I can understand that at this time, Hill may be better ready to serve the cause. What was your story again? Anti-Smith or big Hill believer? So many, I forget...

Missing field time? You mean in 2006 when he was the only Niner QB to start every single snap? That was a playoff year that was not because of this guy. We didn't win 7 because of him, we lost 9 because of him.

You might just be going off the rails here. It is getting harder to take your assertions seriously. The next step would seem to be question whether or not Smith was really born in the US and exposing his role in Obama's death panels.

You're the one who mentioned Battle and coming back as if Alex Smith was coming back from an average to great career which is why he needs another excuse. I'm sorry, but Battle was a solid receiver before he was hurt so he's trying to get back to solid receiver level. What was Alex Smith trying to come back to?

When it comes to Alexcuses, I can get on you guys for days.

Just stop with the excuses and admit he has sucked balls so far and we are only hoping he pulls a Troy Aikman. Tell the truth and stop with excuses.

If you're going to pin our failure to make the postseason in 2006 on one player -- in a team sport, then i just don't know what to say.

It's not as if Alex missed the field goal that would have sent us to the playoffs or fumbled the hold....

You've lost all objectivity as far as i can see.

-9fA

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Here's how sorry Alex Smith has been: this start could decide his fate. Now, if he was even an average startingQB, why would ONE preseason start decide that type of starter's fate.

I'm sorry, but he has sucked so bad to the point that if he sucks tomorrow or doesn't do enough to win the starting job, then he will be a nobody in the NFL. Starter capable QBs don't allow one game to decide their fate.l

Flip the other side of that coin. Kinda shows about Hill, doesn't it? This is all a matter of patience... and yours among many others have run out. Get that...

As Arnaz Battle said in a recent article... missing field time affects the speed of the game... gotta work it back in. (never played ball?) Same goes for Alex, but I can understand that at this time, Hill may be better ready to serve the cause. What was your story again? Anti-Smith or big Hill believer? So many, I forget...

Missing field time? You mean in 2006 when he was the only Niner QB to start every single snap? That was a playoff year that was not because of this guy. We didn't win 7 because of him, we lost 9 because of him.

You might just be going off the rails here. It is getting harder to take your assertions seriously. The next step would seem to be question whether or not Smith was really born in the US and exposing his role in Obama's death panels.

You're the one who mentioned Battle and coming back as if Alex Smith was coming back from an average to great career which is why he needs another excuse. I'm sorry, but Battle was a solid receiver before he was hurt so he's trying to get back to solid receiver level. What was Alex Smith trying to come back to?

You are mistaking me for someone else. I didn't say that.

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
If you're going to pin our failure to make the postseason in 2006 on one player -- in a team sport, then i just don't know what to say.

It's not as if Alex missed the field goal that would have sent us to the playoffs or fumbled the hold....

You've lost all objectivity as far as i can see.

-9fA

You can pin it on one play, but there was only one player that year who slowed us down more than a kicker or a holder. I'm just saying, if you want to count plays that could be made that were left on the field, I am sure Alex Smith was more responsible for these than any other person was...I mean, if you want to count the numbers.

Just admit it, the only hope we have going for us is to hope that he is a Troy Aikman because he has sucked the money and possibilities of this team up to this point.

If management even believed he was an average QB in 2006, Alex would not have needed to restructure. If there was any inkling that he has starter capabilities, there would not be a reason for him to restructure.

All arrows for this kid lead to bust. Miracles do happen so let us hope this kid has one in him.

I'm just getting sick and tired of people using his past play as a reason to keep hope. Trend says he will still hold onto the ball too long and throw it late gaining an average of 125 yards a game. Let's hope a miracle happens and he has an out of body experience for the rest of his career.

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Here's how sorry Alex Smith has been: this start could decide his fate. Now, if he was even an average startingQB, why would ONE preseason start decide that type of starter's fate.

I'm sorry, but he has sucked so bad to the point that if he sucks tomorrow or doesn't do enough to win the starting job, then he will be a nobody in the NFL. Starter capable QBs don't allow one game to decide their fate.l

Flip the other side of that coin. Kinda shows about Hill, doesn't it? This is all a matter of patience... and yours among many others have run out. Get that...

As Arnaz Battle said in a recent article... missing field time affects the speed of the game... gotta work it back in. (never played ball?) Same goes for Alex, but I can understand that at this time, Hill may be better ready to serve the cause. What was your story again? Anti-Smith or big Hill believer? So many, I forget...

Missing field time? You mean in 2006 when he was the only Niner QB to start every single snap? That was a playoff year that was not because of this guy. We didn't win 7 because of him, we lost 9 because of him.

You might just be going off the rails here. It is getting harder to take your assertions seriously. The next step would seem to be question whether or not Smith was really born in the US and exposing his role in Obama's death panels.

You're the one who mentioned Battle and coming back as if Alex Smith was coming back from an average to great career which is why he needs another excuse. I'm sorry, but Battle was a solid receiver before he was hurt so he's trying to get back to solid receiver level. What was Alex Smith trying to come back to?

You are mistaking me for someone else. I didn't say that.

My bad. Sorry about that.

Originally posted by Joecool:
When it comes to Alexcuses, I can get on you guys for days.

Just stop with the excuses and admit he has sucked balls so far and we are only hoping he pulls a Troy Aikman. Tell the truth and stop with excuses.

This is just tearing you apart, isn't it?

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by Joecool:
When it comes to Alexcuses, I can get on you guys for days.

Just stop with the excuses and admit he has sucked balls so far and we are only hoping he pulls a Troy Aikman. Tell the truth and stop with excuses.

This is just tearing you apart, isn't it?

The only thing that gets me are the one's who "support" Alex claim they are "reasonable" evaluators but claiming you think Alex has performed at a capable level as an NFL QB is not being reasonalbe and is utterly wrong. Those who think Alex Smith has showed that he has it in him are 99% incorrect and do not know football.

Those who "hope" Alex pulls it off and know the odds are way against him because he has sucked as an NFL QB up to this point are the reasonable ones.

I for one am one who hopes he pulls it off but know enough to not bet on it, EVER. Don't call me a hater for thinking that. It is very reasonable to think that about his guy.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
If you're going to pin our failure to make the postseason in 2006 on one player -- in a team sport, then i just don't know what to say.

It's not as if Alex missed the field goal that would have sent us to the playoffs or fumbled the hold....

You've lost all objectivity as far as i can see.

-9fA

You can pin it on one play, but there was only one player that year who slowed us down more than a kicker or a holder. I'm just saying, if you want to count plays that could be made that were left on the field, I am sure Alex Smith was more responsible for these than any other person was...I mean, if you want to count the numbers.

Just admit it, the only hope we have going for us is to hope that he is a Troy Aikman because he has sucked the money and possibilities of this team up to this point.

If management even believed he was an average QB in 2006, Alex would not have needed to restructure. If there was any inkling that he has starter capabilities, there would not be a reason for him to restructure.

All arrows for this kid lead to bust. Miracles do happen so let us hope this kid has one in him.

I'm just getting sick and tired of people using his past play as a reason to keep hope. Trend says he will still hold onto the ball too long and throw it late gaining an average of 125 yards a game. Let's hope a miracle happens and he has an out of body experience for the rest of his career.

You gotta put the season and the play into perspective. I'm not quite sure what your expectation was of Alex but i can see that he did not meet them? Did he? Serious question btw. What were you expecting?

And if you thought that after going 4-12 the previous year, Alex Smith's play was going to be the single determining factor in us making the playoffs then yeah...i'll just leave it at that. Fact is, we overachieved and it was evident the following year.

I don't quite understand you're "restructure" argument. What are you trying to get at? I think management has faith, just not $10mil worth. You don't think management was going to have questions about a quarterback who was coming off shoulder surgery and hadn't thrown a football for any length of time in 2 years?

-9fA

Originally posted by Joecool:


1700 yard back with a defense that finished the last 8 games ranked 7th. You tell me why we didn't make the playoffs.

Demand a link... otherwise, you are full of BS and to never be believed again. Thanks...

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:


1700 yard back with a defense that finished the last 8 games ranked 7th. You tell me why we didn't make the playoffs.

Demand a link... otherwise, you are full of BS and to never be believed again. Thanks...

well with 6 weeks to go we were 5-5 that season.

We were coming off of a 3 game win streak in which we gave up a total of 30 points. We had 12 turnovers on D over that span.

We followed up the next 3 weeks with a 3 game losing streak in which we surrendered a total of 84 points. We had 1 turnover on D in that span.

Season over.

Your revisionist history aside, we were a team that year that played over our heads (we had 6 wins the total the two years prior) for a time, collapsed under the pressure down the stretch, then rebounded with a couple of wins once the pressure was off.

Our D gave up at least 300 yards every game the final 7 weeks of the season, in fact we gave up 300 yards or more in every game but 3 that season, all wins coincidentally. When the D held, the offense was good enough to win, unfortunately the D rarely held. We gave up 25.8 points per game, which for the year was good enough for a dead last finish in the entire league.

But, of course this was all Alex Smith's fault.

Although I'm going to be rooting hard for Smith to play great when in there (I don't root against 9ers, period), I'm hoping that we can finally move on from this belief that Alex Smith has the ability to be the franchise QB. As odd as it may seem, this preseason game is a key moment in Smith's career. If he plays well, his apologists will have some hope/ammunition. If he plays poorly, I'm hoping the franchise is ready to move on with Hill and an early round QB in next years draft.

I'm also hoping we get to see Smith play for more than half a quarter. I'd like to see Smith play 65% of the first half with Hill playing his 35% IN BETWEEN (lots of teams have been switching QBs by series this preseason) Smith's possessions.

Will be an interesting game....as good as a preseason game can get.