QB Competition

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by vv9er:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

How dare you try to think logically!!! Now take all that back because apparently reality is an excuse.

My point is that people's last memory of Smith was when he came back from a devastating shoulder injury too early. The kid showed progress up until his injury.

We have ourselves a catch-22. Smith needs playing time to regain his confidence. But the coaches won't give him playing time until he regains his confidence.

With that in mind, how much time should Smith be given to get his game back on track and regain his confidence?

Smith has not shown much since he's been on the team. YOu can say all you want about him having a bad suppporting cast, but he not shown the glimpse of being a star. The QB is supposed to elevate the other players and put them in a position to do better and Smith hasn't done that. He's had one game against Arizona and one game against seattle and it wasn't even the whole game.

Smith hasn't shown a glimpse Are you serious??? Smith was expected to have a break out year in 07 after his profression that he had in 06 under Turner. Smith started the season with a 2-1 record before being landed on by a big fat man messing up his shoulder due to a poor line. That same line got 2 other QB's injured to include your glorious Mr. Hill. NOBODY shined in the 07 season. Hostler didn't put anyone in the position to shine in that season with his "ask maddan" play calling. yet Smith still went 2-1 to start the year.

Look back at the those 2 games and smith didn't win the game. he just managed the game. I want a QB that goes out and makes plays. We actually would have loss the Arizona game but they couldn't fall on the ball.

Please remind me of a game where smith played great the WHOLE game!

Hill has also had line probably, but he has better pocket awareness and avoids the sack more often than not. Remember Smith holding onto the ball too long and we all questioned the size of his hands.

Smith has better upside but that doesn't mean anything if he doesn't show it on the field!

Smith didn't win any games?? Did he not tuck the ball and run for a crucial 1rst down and it was a pretty good damn run too if I remember right. Also remember who the OC was for that season. None of the QB's looked good under that joke of a a coordinator.

If you're talking about the AZ game of 07 Smith went 15 for 31. Save for a couple of plays, he sucked that game. Maybe if he didn't have such a horrible first 50 min of the game he wouldn't have to "SAVE" the game at the end.

In the next game against STL he went 11 for 17 with no touchdowns in either game. As a mater of fact, Gore ran for 80+ with two TDs. This win belongs to Gore.

wasn't the 07 season where all the receivers sucked and dropped all the passes thrown their direction thanks to D. Drop infecting the WR's with stonehands disease? If I remember right Smith had some crucial 3rd down passes dropped(even one or two by Battle) Not to mention D. Drops infamous stone hands in the endzone. Everyone always wants to blame Alex Smith saying oh you suck and yaddda yadda. And they don't take into concideration that in 07 EVERYBODY sucked.

Sorry, I forgot. Smith was awesome. Damn team, if only he had Owens, Harrison and Steve Smith at WR.

Here is the game log. It doesn't really show bad pass or dropped balls
Game Log

I think alot of fans don't really remember (or want to admit) how bad Smith really was.

Don't get me wrong. Smith seems like a great human being but a lame QB. Just my opinoin.

Originally posted by vv9er:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by vv9er:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

How dare you try to think logically!!! Now take all that back because apparently reality is an excuse.

My point is that people's last memory of Smith was when he came back from a devastating shoulder injury too early. The kid showed progress up until his injury.

We have ourselves a catch-22. Smith needs playing time to regain his confidence. But the coaches won't give him playing time until he regains his confidence.

With that in mind, how much time should Smith be given to get his game back on track and regain his confidence?

Smith has not shown much since he's been on the team. YOu can say all you want about him having a bad suppporting cast, but he not shown the glimpse of being a star. The QB is supposed to elevate the other players and put them in a position to do better and Smith hasn't done that. He's had one game against Arizona and one game against seattle and it wasn't even the whole game.

Smith hasn't shown a glimpse Are you serious??? Smith was expected to have a break out year in 07 after his profression that he had in 06 under Turner. Smith started the season with a 2-1 record before being landed on by a big fat man messing up his shoulder due to a poor line. That same line got 2 other QB's injured to include your glorious Mr. Hill. NOBODY shined in the 07 season. Hostler didn't put anyone in the position to shine in that season with his "ask maddan" play calling. yet Smith still went 2-1 to start the year.

Look back at the those 2 games and smith didn't win the game. he just managed the game. I want a QB that goes out and makes plays. We actually would have loss the Arizona game but they couldn't fall on the ball.

Please remind me of a game where smith played great the WHOLE game!

Hill has also had line probably, but he has better pocket awareness and avoids the sack more often than not. Remember Smith holding onto the ball too long and we all questioned the size of his hands.

Smith has better upside but that doesn't mean anything if he doesn't show it on the field!

Smith didn't win any games?? Did he not tuck the ball and run for a crucial 1rst down and it was a pretty good damn run too if I remember right. Also remember who the OC was for that season. None of the QB's looked good under that joke of a a coordinator.

If you're talking about the AZ game of 07 Smith went 15 for 31. Save for a couple of plays, he sucked that game. Maybe if he didn't have such a horrible first 50 min of the game he wouldn't have to "SAVE" the game at the end.

In the next game against STL he went 11 for 17 with no touchdowns in either game. As a mater of fact, Gore ran for 80+ with two TDs. This win belongs to Gore.

wasn't the 07 season where all the receivers sucked and dropped all the passes thrown their direction thanks to D. Drop infecting the WR's with stonehands disease? If I remember right Smith had some crucial 3rd down passes dropped(even one or two by Battle) Not to mention D. Drops infamous stone hands in the endzone. Everyone always wants to blame Alex Smith saying oh you suck and yaddda yadda. And they don't take into concideration that in 07 EVERYBODY sucked.

Sorry, I forgot. Smith was awesome. Damn team, if only he had Owens, Harrison and Steve Smith at WR.

Here is the game log. It doesn't really show bad pass or dropped balls
Game Log

I think alot of fans don't really remember (or want to admit) how bad Smith really was.

Don't get me wrong. Smith seems like a great human being but a lame QB. Just my opinoin.

did I say that Smith was great and the blame was on the rest of the team??? No I didn't so I would appreciate if you didn't make a pathetic attempt to put words in my mouth to make yourself seem like you are right. How about actually reading what a poster writes and replying to that. Instead of half ass reading it then taking it to the full extreme and beyond then coming up with the biggest smart ass comment you can possibly think of. That might be a good start for becoming a "respected" poster on the forum.

I never said Smith was great but when it came down to it he stepped up and WON the games that gave the team a 2-1 record before he was injured. The line didn't create holes for Gore and he had a huge drop in production. Should we have been blaming him for the losses as well?

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by vv9er:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by vv9er:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

How dare you try to think logically!!! Now take all that back because apparently reality is an excuse.

My point is that people's last memory of Smith was when he came back from a devastating shoulder injury too early. The kid showed progress up until his injury.

We have ourselves a catch-22. Smith needs playing time to regain his confidence. But the coaches won't give him playing time until he regains his confidence.

With that in mind, how much time should Smith be given to get his game back on track and regain his confidence?

Smith has not shown much since he's been on the team. YOu can say all you want about him having a bad suppporting cast, but he not shown the glimpse of being a star. The QB is supposed to elevate the other players and put them in a position to do better and Smith hasn't done that. He's had one game against Arizona and one game against seattle and it wasn't even the whole game.

Smith hasn't shown a glimpse Are you serious??? Smith was expected to have a break out year in 07 after his profression that he had in 06 under Turner. Smith started the season with a 2-1 record before being landed on by a big fat man messing up his shoulder due to a poor line. That same line got 2 other QB's injured to include your glorious Mr. Hill. NOBODY shined in the 07 season. Hostler didn't put anyone in the position to shine in that season with his "ask maddan" play calling. yet Smith still went 2-1 to start the year.

Look back at the those 2 games and smith didn't win the game. he just managed the game. I want a QB that goes out and makes plays. We actually would have loss the Arizona game but they couldn't fall on the ball.

Please remind me of a game where smith played great the WHOLE game!

Hill has also had line probably, but he has better pocket awareness and avoids the sack more often than not. Remember Smith holding onto the ball too long and we all questioned the size of his hands.

Smith has better upside but that doesn't mean anything if he doesn't show it on the field!

Smith didn't win any games?? Did he not tuck the ball and run for a crucial 1rst down and it was a pretty good damn run too if I remember right. Also remember who the OC was for that season. None of the QB's looked good under that joke of a a coordinator.

If you're talking about the AZ game of 07 Smith went 15 for 31. Save for a couple of plays, he sucked that game. Maybe if he didn't have such a horrible first 50 min of the game he wouldn't have to "SAVE" the game at the end.

In the next game against STL he went 11 for 17 with no touchdowns in either game. As a mater of fact, Gore ran for 80+ with two TDs. This win belongs to Gore.

wasn't the 07 season where all the receivers sucked and dropped all the passes thrown their direction thanks to D. Drop infecting the WR's with stonehands disease? If I remember right Smith had some crucial 3rd down passes dropped(even one or two by Battle) Not to mention D. Drops infamous stone hands in the endzone. Everyone always wants to blame Alex Smith saying oh you suck and yaddda yadda. And they don't take into concideration that in 07 EVERYBODY sucked.

Sorry, I forgot. Smith was awesome. Damn team, if only he had Owens, Harrison and Steve Smith at WR.

Here is the game log. It doesn't really show bad pass or dropped balls
Game Log

I think alot of fans don't really remember (or want to admit) how bad Smith really was.

Don't get me wrong. Smith seems like a great human being but a lame QB. Just my opinoin.

did I say that Smith was great and the blame was on the rest of the team??? No I didn't so I would appreciate if you didn't make a pathetic attempt to put words in my mouth to make yourself seem like you are right. How about actually reading what a poster writes and replying to that. Instead of half ass reading it then taking it to the full extreme and beyond then coming up with the biggest smart ass comment you can possibly think of. That might be a good start for becoming a "respected" poster on the forum.

I never said Smith was great but when it came down to it he stepped up and WON the games that gave the team a 2-1 record before he was injured. The line didn't create holes for Gore and he had a huge drop in production. Should we have been blaming him for the losses as well?

This is what you wrote - "wasn't the 07 season where all the receivers sucked and dropped all the passes thrown their direction"

Sounds like you're blaming the receivers and not Smith to me.

Did I say you said Smith was great? I didn't think so.

That was in reply to your smart ass remark about smith having receivers with no hands. Sure he didn't have great receivers but you act as if Smith threw every pass on target and they just flat out dropped it.

It's evident from your previous posts that you like Smith. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean that you need to try and ridicule me with your pathetic attempt at "Veteranism"

Next time, how about you really read what a poster writes?

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

How dare you try to think logically!!! Now take all that back because apparently reality is an excuse.

My point is that people's last memory of Smith was when he came back from a devastating shoulder injury too early. The kid showed progress up until his injury.

We have ourselves a catch-22. Smith needs playing time to regain his confidence. But the coaches won't give him playing time until he regains his confidence.

With that in mind, how much time should Smith be given to get his game back on track and regain his confidence?

Smith has not shown much since he's been on the team. YOu can say all you want about him having a bad suppporting cast, but he not shown the glimpse of being a star. The QB is supposed to elevate the other players and put them in a position to do better and Smith hasn't done that. He's had one game against Arizona and one game against seattle and it wasn't even the whole game.

Smith hasn't shown a glimpse Are you serious??? Smith was expected to have a break out year in 07 after his profression that he had in 06 under Turner. Smith started the season with a 2-1 record before being landed on by a big fat man messing up his shoulder due to a poor line. That same line got 2 other QB's injured to include your glorious Mr. Hill. NOBODY shined in the 07 season. Hostler didn't put anyone in the position to shine in that season with his "ask maddan" play calling. yet Smith still went 2-1 to start the year.

Look back at the those 2 games and smith didn't win the game. he just managed the game. I want a QB that goes out and makes plays. We actually would have loss the Arizona game but they couldn't fall on the ball.

Please remind me of a game where smith played great the WHOLE game!

Hill has also had line probably, but he has better pocket awareness and avoids the sack more often than not. Remember Smith holding onto the ball too long and we all questioned the size of his hands.

Smith has better upside but that doesn't mean anything if he doesn't show it on the field!

Smith didn't win any games?? Did he not tuck the ball and run for a crucial 1rst down and it was a pretty good damn run too if I remember right. Also remember who the OC was for that season. None of the QB's looked good under that joke of a a coordinator.

First of all he is a QB not a RB. He shouldn't have to run for a crucial 1st down. He needs to find an open receiver. Again, Please tell me a game where smith played outstanding the WHOLE game.

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

How dare you try to think logically!!! Now take all that back because apparently reality is an excuse.

My point is that people's last memory of Smith was when he came back from a devastating shoulder injury too early. The kid showed progress up until his injury.

We have ourselves a catch-22. Smith needs playing time to regain his confidence. But the coaches won't give him playing time until he regains his confidence.

With that in mind, how much time should Smith be given to get his game back on track and regain his confidence?

Smith has not shown much since he's been on the team. YOu can say all you want about him having a bad suppporting cast, but he not shown the glimpse of being a star. The QB is supposed to elevate the other players and put them in a position to do better and Smith hasn't done that. He's had one game against Arizona and one game against seattle and it wasn't even the whole game.

Smith hasn't shown a glimpse Are you serious??? Smith was expected to have a break out year in 07 after his profression that he had in 06 under Turner. Smith started the season with a 2-1 record before being landed on by a big fat man messing up his shoulder due to a poor line. That same line got 2 other QB's injured to include your glorious Mr. Hill. NOBODY shined in the 07 season. Hostler didn't put anyone in the position to shine in that season with his "ask maddan" play calling. yet Smith still went 2-1 to start the year.

Look back at the those 2 games and smith didn't win the game. he just managed the game. I want a QB that goes out and makes plays. We actually would have loss the Arizona game but they couldn't fall on the ball.

Please remind me of a game where smith played great the WHOLE game!

Hill has also had line probably, but he has better pocket awareness and avoids the sack more often than not. Remember Smith holding onto the ball too long and we all questioned the size of his hands.

Smith has better upside but that doesn't mean anything if he doesn't show it on the field!

Smith didn't win any games?? Did he not tuck the ball and run for a crucial 1rst down and it was a pretty good damn run too if I remember right. Also remember who the OC was for that season. None of the QB's looked good under that joke of a a coordinator.

First of all he is a QB not a RB. He shouldn't have to run for a crucial 1st down. He needs to find an open receiver. Again, Please tell me a game where smith played outstanding the WHOLE game.

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A QB should move the ball any way he can.

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

How dare you try to think logically!!! Now take all that back because apparently reality is an excuse.

My point is that people's last memory of Smith was when he came back from a devastating shoulder injury too early. The kid showed progress up until his injury.

We have ourselves a catch-22. Smith needs playing time to regain his confidence. But the coaches won't give him playing time until he regains his confidence.

With that in mind, how much time should Smith be given to get his game back on track and regain his confidence?

Smith has not shown much since he's been on the team. YOu can say all you want about him having a bad suppporting cast, but he not shown the glimpse of being a star. The QB is supposed to elevate the other players and put them in a position to do better and Smith hasn't done that. He's had one game against Arizona and one game against seattle and it wasn't even the whole game.

Smith hasn't shown a glimpse Are you serious??? Smith was expected to have a break out year in 07 after his profression that he had in 06 under Turner. Smith started the season with a 2-1 record before being landed on by a big fat man messing up his shoulder due to a poor line. That same line got 2 other QB's injured to include your glorious Mr. Hill. NOBODY shined in the 07 season. Hostler didn't put anyone in the position to shine in that season with his "ask maddan" play calling. yet Smith still went 2-1 to start the year.

Look back at the those 2 games and smith didn't win the game. he just managed the game. I want a QB that goes out and makes plays. We actually would have loss the Arizona game but they couldn't fall on the ball.

Please remind me of a game where smith played great the WHOLE game!

Hill has also had line probably, but he has better pocket awareness and avoids the sack more often than not. Remember Smith holding onto the ball too long and we all questioned the size of his hands.

Smith has better upside but that doesn't mean anything if he doesn't show it on the field!

first of all the win was a win and he won the games with hostler holding him back that shows a lot also his best wr that year would be a number 3 wr on most teams

So that makes him a slower mike vick because their passing is nearly the same. Sorry but I will take the fastr version.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

How dare you try to think logically!!! Now take all that back because apparently reality is an excuse.

My point is that people's last memory of Smith was when he came back from a devastating shoulder injury too early. The kid showed progress up until his injury.

We have ourselves a catch-22. Smith needs playing time to regain his confidence. But the coaches won't give him playing time until he regains his confidence.

With that in mind, how much time should Smith be given to get his game back on track and regain his confidence?

Smith has not shown much since he's been on the team. YOu can say all you want about him having a bad suppporting cast, but he not shown the glimpse of being a star. The QB is supposed to elevate the other players and put them in a position to do better and Smith hasn't done that. He's had one game against Arizona and one game against seattle and it wasn't even the whole game.

Smith hasn't shown a glimpse Are you serious??? Smith was expected to have a break out year in 07 after his profression that he had in 06 under Turner. Smith started the season with a 2-1 record before being landed on by a big fat man messing up his shoulder due to a poor line. That same line got 2 other QB's injured to include your glorious Mr. Hill. NOBODY shined in the 07 season. Hostler didn't put anyone in the position to shine in that season with his "ask maddan" play calling. yet Smith still went 2-1 to start the year.

Look back at the those 2 games and smith didn't win the game. he just managed the game. I want a QB that goes out and makes plays. We actually would have loss the Arizona game but they couldn't fall on the ball.

Please remind me of a game where smith played great the WHOLE game!

Hill has also had line probably, but he has better pocket awareness and avoids the sack more often than not. Remember Smith holding onto the ball too long and we all questioned the size of his hands.

Smith has better upside but that doesn't mean anything if he doesn't show it on the field!

Smith didn't win any games?? Did he not tuck the ball and run for a crucial 1rst down and it was a pretty good damn run too if I remember right. Also remember who the OC was for that season. None of the QB's looked good under that joke of a a coordinator.

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

How dare you try to think logically!!! Now take all that back because apparently reality is an excuse.

My point is that people's last memory of Smith was when he came back from a devastating shoulder injury too early. The kid showed progress up until his injury.

We have ourselves a catch-22. Smith needs playing time to regain his confidence. But the coaches won't give him playing time until he regains his confidence.

With that in mind, how much time should Smith be given to get his game back on track and regain his confidence?

Smith has not shown much since he's been on the team. YOu can say all you want about him having a bad suppporting cast, but he not shown the glimpse of being a star. The QB is supposed to elevate the other players and put them in a position to do better and Smith hasn't done that. He's had one game against Arizona and one game against seattle and it wasn't even the whole game.

Smith hasn't shown a glimpse Are you serious??? Smith was expected to have a break out year in 07 after his profression that he had in 06 under Turner. Smith started the season with a 2-1 record before being landed on by a big fat man messing up his shoulder due to a poor line. That same line got 2 other QB's injured to include your glorious Mr. Hill. NOBODY shined in the 07 season. Hostler didn't put anyone in the position to shine in that season with his "ask maddan" play calling. yet Smith still went 2-1 to start the year.

Look back at the those 2 games and smith didn't win the game. he just managed the game. I want a QB that goes out and makes plays. We actually would have loss the Arizona game but they couldn't fall on the ball.

Please remind me of a game where smith played great the WHOLE game!

Hill has also had line probably, but he has better pocket awareness and avoids the sack more often than not. Remember Smith holding onto the ball too long and we all questioned the size of his hands.

Smith has better upside but that doesn't mean anything if he doesn't show it on the field!

Smith didn't win any games?? Did he not tuck the ball and run for a crucial 1rst down and it was a pretty good damn run too if I remember right. Also remember who the OC was for that season. None of the QB's looked good under that joke of a a coordinator.

First of all he is a QB not a RB. He shouldn't have to run for a crucial 1st down. He needs to find an open receiver. Again, Please tell me a game where smith played outstanding the WHOLE game.

Somebody should have reminded Steve Young of that. I even remember a young Montana picking up crucial first downs with his legs. Imagine how good they could have been if they just would have kept their focus on being Q.B.'s and not running around (obviously missing open receivers) playing R.B.'s.

Here's how sorry Alex Smith has been: this start could decide his fate. Now, if he was even an average startingQB, why would ONE preseason start decide that type of starter's fate.

I'm sorry, but he has sucked so bad to the point that if he sucks tomorrow or doesn't do enough to win the starting job, then he will be a nobody in the NFL. Starter capable QBs don't allow one game to decide their fate.l

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

How dare you try to think logically!!! Now take all that back because apparently reality is an excuse.

My point is that people's last memory of Smith was when he came back from a devastating shoulder injury too early. The kid showed progress up until his injury.

We have ourselves a catch-22. Smith needs playing time to regain his confidence. But the coaches won't give him playing time until he regains his confidence.

With that in mind, how much time should Smith be given to get his game back on track and regain his confidence?

Smith has not shown much since he's been on the team. YOu can say all you want about him having a bad suppporting cast, but he not shown the glimpse of being a star. The QB is supposed to elevate the other players and put them in a position to do better and Smith hasn't done that. He's had one game against Arizona and one game against seattle and it wasn't even the whole game.

Smith hasn't shown a glimpse Are you serious??? Smith was expected to have a break out year in 07 after his profression that he had in 06 under Turner. Smith started the season with a 2-1 record before being landed on by a big fat man messing up his shoulder due to a poor line. That same line got 2 other QB's injured to include your glorious Mr. Hill. NOBODY shined in the 07 season. Hostler didn't put anyone in the position to shine in that season with his "ask maddan" play calling. yet Smith still went 2-1 to start the year.

Look back at the those 2 games and smith didn't win the game. he just managed the game. I want a QB that goes out and makes plays. We actually would have loss the Arizona game but they couldn't fall on the ball.

Please remind me of a game where smith played great the WHOLE game!

Hill has also had line probably, but he has better pocket awareness and avoids the sack more often than not. Remember Smith holding onto the ball too long and we all questioned the size of his hands.

Smith has better upside but that doesn't mean anything if he doesn't show it on the field!

Smith didn't win any games?? Did he not tuck the ball and run for a crucial 1rst down and it was a pretty good damn run too if I remember right. Also remember who the OC was for that season. None of the QB's looked good under that joke of a a coordinator.

First of all he is a QB not a RB. He shouldn't have to run for a crucial 1st down. He needs to find an open receiver. Again, Please tell me a game where smith played outstanding the WHOLE game.

Somebody should have reminded Steve Young of that. I even remember a young Montana picking up crucial first downs with his legs. Imagine how good they could have been if they just would have kept their focus on being Q.B.'s and not running around (obviously missing open receivers) playing R.B.'s.

Somebody needs to remind Alex Smith fans that his running capabilities is nowhere near Steve Young's. If Alex Smith is banking on the early part of his career to rely on his legs, he is no Steve Young and he will be injured and caught more often than he will succeed.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

How dare you try to think logically!!! Now take all that back because apparently reality is an excuse.

My point is that people's last memory of Smith was when he came back from a devastating shoulder injury too early. The kid showed progress up until his injury.

We have ourselves a catch-22. Smith needs playing time to regain his confidence. But the coaches won't give him playing time until he regains his confidence.

With that in mind, how much time should Smith be given to get his game back on track and regain his confidence?

Smith has not shown much since he's been on the team. YOu can say all you want about him having a bad suppporting cast, but he not shown the glimpse of being a star. The QB is supposed to elevate the other players and put them in a position to do better and Smith hasn't done that. He's had one game against Arizona and one game against seattle and it wasn't even the whole game.

Smith hasn't shown a glimpse Are you serious??? Smith was expected to have a break out year in 07 after his profression that he had in 06 under Turner. Smith started the season with a 2-1 record before being landed on by a big fat man messing up his shoulder due to a poor line. That same line got 2 other QB's injured to include your glorious Mr. Hill. NOBODY shined in the 07 season. Hostler didn't put anyone in the position to shine in that season with his "ask maddan" play calling. yet Smith still went 2-1 to start the year.

Look back at the those 2 games and smith didn't win the game. he just managed the game. I want a QB that goes out and makes plays. We actually would have loss the Arizona game but they couldn't fall on the ball.

Please remind me of a game where smith played great the WHOLE game!

Hill has also had line probably, but he has better pocket awareness and avoids the sack more often than not. Remember Smith holding onto the ball too long and we all questioned the size of his hands.

Smith has better upside but that doesn't mean anything if he doesn't show it on the field!

Smith didn't win any games?? Did he not tuck the ball and run for a crucial 1rst down and it was a pretty good damn run too if I remember right. Also remember who the OC was for that season. None of the QB's looked good under that joke of a a coordinator.

First of all he is a QB not a RB. He shouldn't have to run for a crucial 1st down. He needs to find an open receiver. Again, Please tell me a game where smith played outstanding the WHOLE game.

Somebody should have reminded Steve Young of that. I even remember a young Montana picking up crucial first downs with his legs. Imagine how good they could have been if they just would have kept their focus on being Q.B.'s and not running around (obviously missing open receivers) playing R.B.'s.

Somebody needs to remind Alex Smith fans that his running capabilities is nowhere near Steve Young's. If Alex Smith is banking on the early part of his career to rely on his legs, he is no Steve Young and he will be injured and caught more often than he will succeed.

Calm down partner. Just pointing out that it is absurd to say that quarterbacks don't from time to time need to tuck the ball and run for firsts.

WOOHOO GO ALEX!!!

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

How dare you try to think logically!!! Now take all that back because apparently reality is an excuse.

My point is that people's last memory of Smith was when he came back from a devastating shoulder injury too early. The kid showed progress up until his injury.

We have ourselves a catch-22. Smith needs playing time to regain his confidence. But the coaches won't give him playing time until he regains his confidence.

With that in mind, how much time should Smith be given to get his game back on track and regain his confidence?

Smith has not shown much since he's been on the team. YOu can say all you want about him having a bad suppporting cast, but he not shown the glimpse of being a star. The QB is supposed to elevate the other players and put them in a position to do better and Smith hasn't done that. He's had one game against Arizona and one game against seattle and it wasn't even the whole game.

Smith hasn't shown a glimpse Are you serious??? Smith was expected to have a break out year in 07 after his profression that he had in 06 under Turner. Smith started the season with a 2-1 record before being landed on by a big fat man messing up his shoulder due to a poor line. That same line got 2 other QB's injured to include your glorious Mr. Hill. NOBODY shined in the 07 season. Hostler didn't put anyone in the position to shine in that season with his "ask maddan" play calling. yet Smith still went 2-1 to start the year.

Look back at the those 2 games and smith didn't win the game. he just managed the game. I want a QB that goes out and makes plays. We actually would have loss the Arizona game but they couldn't fall on the ball.

Please remind me of a game where smith played great the WHOLE game!

Hill has also had line probably, but he has better pocket awareness and avoids the sack more often than not. Remember Smith holding onto the ball too long and we all questioned the size of his hands.

Smith has better upside but that doesn't mean anything if he doesn't show it on the field!

Smith didn't win any games?? Did he not tuck the ball and run for a crucial 1rst down and it was a pretty good damn run too if I remember right. Also remember who the OC was for that season. None of the QB's looked good under that joke of a a coordinator.

First of all he is a QB not a RB. He shouldn't have to run for a crucial 1st down. He needs to find an open receiver. Again, Please tell me a game where smith played outstanding the WHOLE game.

Somebody should have reminded Steve Young of that. I even remember a young Montana picking up crucial first downs with his legs. Imagine how good they could have been if they just would have kept their focus on being Q.B.'s and not running around (obviously missing open receivers) playing R.B.'s.

Somebody needs to remind Alex Smith fans that his running capabilities is nowhere near Steve Young's. If Alex Smith is banking on the early part of his career to rely on his legs, he is no Steve Young and he will be injured and caught more often than he will succeed.

Calm down partner. Just pointing out that it is absurd to say that quarterbacks don't from time to time need to tuck the ball and run for firsts.

That's all well and good if they have already proven that they can pass the ball well. Alex hasn't proven that he can do anything well, yet. You can't compare him to Steve Young or even Kerry Collins. All you can compare him to is any other bust in the league or maybe Troy Aikman. Let's hope he's Troy Aikman and keep giving him chances.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Here's how sorry Alex Smith has been: this start could decide his fate. Now, if he was even an average startingQB, why would ONE preseason start decide that type of starter's fate.

I'm sorry, but he has sucked so bad to the point that if he sucks tomorrow or doesn't do enough to win the starting job, then he will be a nobody in the NFL. Starter capable QBs don't allow one game to decide their fate.l

Flip the other side of that coin. Kinda shows about Hill, doesn't it? This is all a matter of patience... and yours among many others have run out. Get that...

As Arnaz Battle said in a recent article... missing field time affects the speed of the game... gotta work it back in. (never played ball?) Same goes for Alex, but I can understand that at this time, Hill may be better ready to serve the cause. What was your story again? Anti-Smith or big Hill believer? So many, I forget...

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Here's how sorry Alex Smith has been: this start could decide his fate. Now, if he was even an average startingQB, why would ONE preseason start decide that type of starter's fate.

I'm sorry, but he has sucked so bad to the point that if he sucks tomorrow or doesn't do enough to win the starting job, then he will be a nobody in the NFL. Starter capable QBs don't allow one game to decide their fate.l

Flip the other side of that coin. Kinda shows about Hill, doesn't it? This is all a matter of patience... and yours among many others have run out. Get that...

As Arnaz Battle said in a recent article... missing field time affects the speed of the game... gotta work it back in. (never played ball?) Same goes for Alex, but I can understand that at this time, Hill may be better ready to serve the cause. What was your story again? Anti-Smith or big Hill believer? So many, I forget...

Missing field time? You mean in 2006 when he was the only Niner QB to start every single snap? That was a playoff year that was not because of this guy. We didn't win 7 because of him, we lost 9 because of him.