QB Competition

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by aacadena:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:


No, I was just saying what if Shaun Hill went 4-6? It wouldn't have looked so good. But the "truth" is that he went 7-3 with a very good overall rating and excellent leadership continuity skills overall. You can only go by what the guy has done when he has had the opportunity. You cannot go by the time he did not play his other years in the NFL. You cannot go by what you think he may not be able to do such as take us deep into the playoffs. Trent f**king Dilfer of all people won the superbowl so this talk about not going deep into the playoffs is sad. Shaun Hill in his ten games has performed better than Trent Dilfer EVER did in that superbowl year.

Therefore, by the way our QBs have played when they have gotten the chance Hill can take us deep into the playoffs if the team as a whole plays to their capabilities.

To be honest, I think the QB position in this system will be fine regardless of who wins. Both Smith and Hill are competitive and both had success in the past. I think Singletary will try to avoid placing the success of the team on either QB's shoulders until they prove worthy of it (which can only be done in regular season).

This reminds me of last season with JTO. Martz literally put the entire offense's success onto JTO's shoulders with his play calling, which was completely unfair to the journeyman QB. I'm not going to say JTO is a starting QB, just that he's better than his play suggested.

I see Raye, on the other hand, trying to avoid putting too much pressure on the QB early on in the season. He will use the run to set up the pass, which makes a QB's job that much easier. With that in mind, we will at a minimum have an average offense regardless of who is QB.

If and when the starting QB finds success, we will see Raye open up the playbook and put more of the game plan onto the QB's shoulders. Until then, we should expect a lot of playaction passes, bootlegs, and short-to-intermediate passing with the occasional shot deep.

I also feel the same way. If Smith actually wins the competition, then I will feel that we can win with him.

I agree that whoever wins the competition, that our team is good enough to go as deep as any team in the league.

Pinche Joe you woke up one the Goodside of the bed this morning didn't you?? hahaha You have been very positive.

Muwhahahahaha:

However, Alex Smith's last 7 games starting when 100% healthy.

Starting at Pittsburgh and backwards to 2006.

65.1
86.9
59.3
69.0
66.7
102.4: This was his great infamous SEA game where he was 56% but had 2 TDs passing with a 6.5 yards per completion and only 162 total yards passing.
48.2


I'm sorry, but Alex Smith hasn't done crap.

Joe, yesterday you said two (2) days w/o criticism of A. Smith.

Two (2), II, dos, days.

Now we have to bring up the JTO EXPRESS thread all over again!

I'll stipulate that Alex Smith's development as a QB was not nearly what it should have been under Nolan (or to use your hyperbole, he "hasn't done crap.")

I would also point out to you that there's a new and different HC, one who appears to be a much better coach.

It may be that Alex Smith won't do "crap" under Singletary either, but I am willing to give him a chance, simply because I'm more convinced that Singletary will give him a fairer chance to succeed than he got before.

Why not wait and see?

It's been 2 days. That was Wednesday.

According to Matt Maiocco via Twitter:

Quote:
Alex Smith said he feels as if he's far more ahead of the game, as far as knowledge of the 49ers' offense, than he's ever been at this point.

Originally posted by PTulini:
According to Matt Maiocco via Twitter:

Quote:
Alex Smith said he feels as if he's far more ahead of the game, as far as knowledge of the 49ers' offense, than he's ever been at this point.

It certainly didn't show becacuse he's still hesitant.

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

How dare you try to think logically!!! Now take all that back because apparently reality is an excuse.

My point is that people's last memory of Smith was when he came back from a devastating shoulder injury too early. The kid showed progress up until his injury.

We have ourselves a catch-22. Smith needs playing time to regain his confidence. But the coaches won't give him playing time until he regains his confidence.

With that in mind, how much time should Smith be given to get his game back on track and regain his confidence?

Smith has not shown much since he's been on the team. YOu can say all you want about him having a bad suppporting cast, but he not shown the glimpse of being a star. The QB is supposed to elevate the other players and put them in a position to do better and Smith hasn't done that. He's had one game against Arizona and one game against seattle and it wasn't even the whole game.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by aacadena:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:


No, I was just saying what if Shaun Hill went 4-6? It wouldn't have looked so good. But the "truth" is that he went 7-3 with a very good overall rating and excellent leadership continuity skills overall. You can only go by what the guy has done when he has had the opportunity. You cannot go by the time he did not play his other years in the NFL. You cannot go by what you think he may not be able to do such as take us deep into the playoffs. Trent f**king Dilfer of all people won the superbowl so this talk about not going deep into the playoffs is sad. Shaun Hill in his ten games has performed better than Trent Dilfer EVER did in that superbowl year.

Therefore, by the way our QBs have played when they have gotten the chance Hill can take us deep into the playoffs if the team as a whole plays to their capabilities.

To be honest, I think the QB position in this system will be fine regardless of who wins. Both Smith and Hill are competitive and both had success in the past. I think Singletary will try to avoid placing the success of the team on either QB's shoulders until they prove worthy of it (which can only be done in regular season).

This reminds me of last season with JTO. Martz literally put the entire offense's success onto JTO's shoulders with his play calling, which was completely unfair to the journeyman QB. I'm not going to say JTO is a starting QB, just that he's better than his play suggested.

I see Raye, on the other hand, trying to avoid putting too much pressure on the QB early on in the season. He will use the run to set up the pass, which makes a QB's job that much easier. With that in mind, we will at a minimum have an average offense regardless of who is QB.

If and when the starting QB finds success, we will see Raye open up the playbook and put more of the game plan onto the QB's shoulders. Until then, we should expect a lot of playaction passes, bootlegs, and short-to-intermediate passing with the occasional shot deep.

I also feel the same way. If Smith actually wins the competition, then I will feel that we can win with him.

I agree that whoever wins the competition, that our team is good enough to go as deep as any team in the league.

Pinche Joe you woke up one the Goodside of the bed this morning didn't you?? hahaha You have been very positive.

Muwhahahahaha:

However, Alex Smith's last 7 games starting when 100% healthy.

Starting at Pittsburgh and backwards to 2006.

65.1
86.9
59.3
69.0
66.7
102.4: This was his great infamous SEA game where he was 56% but had 2 TDs passing with a 6.5 yards per completion and only 162 total yards passing.
48.2


I'm sorry, but Alex Smith hasn't done crap.

Joe, yesterday you said two (2) days w/o criticism of A. Smith.

Two (2), II, dos, days.

Now we have to bring up the JTO EXPRESS thread all over again!

I'll stipulate that Alex Smith's development as a QB was not nearly what it should have been under Nolan (or to use your hyperbole, he "hasn't done crap.")

I would also point out to you that there's a new and different HC, one who appears to be a much better coach.

It may be that Alex Smith won't do "crap" under Singletary either, but I am willing to give him a chance, simply because I'm more convinced that Singletary will give him a fairer chance to succeed than he got before.

Why not wait and see?

It's been 2 days. That was Wednesday.

Yeah, Wednesday afternoon. And its only Friday afternoon . . . oh, wait.

Sorry, dude, I lost count enjoying the quiet reasonableness of your newfound, but apparently all too shortlived, reticence in regard to all things unduly critical of Niner players.

Sorry about the JTO EXPRESS thread reference, too. I obviously jumped the gun on that as well.

Its almost like I thought, for a moment, that we had a QB who was going to break all the passing records of the NFL, and lead us to the promised land all in one glorious season, but then, . . . not. My mistake.

So reality sets in, and I am duly chagrinned. Perhaps you can relate to my feelings of humiliation and distress over such a gaffe. My humblest apologies.





Sure you don't want to add a couple days to your self imposed silence re Alex Smith?

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

How dare you try to think logically!!! Now take all that back because apparently reality is an excuse.

My point is that people's last memory of Smith was when he came back from a devastating shoulder injury too early. The kid showed progress up until his injury.

We have ourselves a catch-22. Smith needs playing time to regain his confidence. But the coaches won't give him playing time until he regains his confidence.

With that in mind, how much time should Smith be given to get his game back on track and regain his confidence?

Smith has not shown much since he's been on the team. YOu can say all you want about him having a bad suppporting cast, but he not shown the glimpse of being a star. The QB is supposed to elevate the other players and put them in a position to do better and Smith hasn't done that. He's had one game against Arizona and one game against seattle and it wasn't even the whole game.

Smith hasn't shown a glimpse Are you serious??? Smith was expected to have a break out year in 07 after his profression that he had in 06 under Turner. Smith started the season with a 2-1 record before being landed on by a big fat man messing up his shoulder due to a poor line. That same line got 2 other QB's injured to include your glorious Mr. Hill. NOBODY shined in the 07 season. Hostler didn't put anyone in the position to shine in that season with his "ask maddan" play calling. yet Smith still went 2-1 to start the year.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by TOP_CAT:
backontop: I actually was hoping the Niners would draft Davis in the 3rd round. He would have been a 1st round pick except that the word got out that he has Dyslexia and just about the same time he had two poor games at the end of the college season. They were I believe 12-0 and Davis was being talked about as a early 1st round pick or at least a 2nd rounder,but then he got really sick before his 2nd to last game and he sucked it up and tried to play anyway(because he carried the team almost entirely on his shoulders alone) but he played poorly and they lost their 1st game. Then in their bowl game Davis has his first poor game of the year (when healthy) and worries that he played poorly in the biggest pressure game of his life helped him drop out of the 1st round (along with the Dyslexia hysteria).
At least 6 months before the draft I was hoping the Niners would draft this stud as out QB of the future. I was deleriously happy when we hit the jackpot and got him in the 5th round ,because of the Dyslexia rumors etc).
He is very accurate and has the quickest release possible and throws rockets with a beautiful over the top motion and is a scrambler and runner and a great team leader. What more could you ask,except that he bring all of that to the NFL field? Hopefully for all of us fans,he does just that and in 2010 or 11 he is our starting QB.

Hopefully he can work out for us, a lot of the same things that you are saying about him are what the experts were saying about Smith coming out of college. Checking their college stats, they are almost identical type numbers. Davis threw more picks than Smith, but Smith was probably on a better team. But let's not count our chickens before they hatch, his learning disability might be a lot to overcome. He has to be able to learn the playbook. From the way you speak of him, it sounds like he is some relation or you are an alum of Ball State.

Davis has a quicker release and stronger arm. Davis also turned a crap team into a winner whereas it's beginning to look more and more like it was more Urban Meyer than Alex Smith.

I am pretty sure that Smith was the one throwing the passes. His problems started when he was drafted by a team that had no idea of how to develop a QB. I know it is pointless to try to make you see anything positive about Smith, but Davis has shown even less than Smith to this point and there are folks getting ahead of themselves in their praise for him. I will reserve judgment until he actually makes the team. He has a huge disadvantage with his learning disability, so his success would be a nice feel good story for the niners, and after all the crappy luck we have had with QB's in the past decade, we deserve a break.

The pasture is always greener. I remember when some argued that Cody Pickett was going to lead the Niners to the promised land.

That's really not a good example. Pickett never did anything.

That's the point.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by PTulini:
According to Matt Maiocco via Twitter:

Quote:
Alex Smith said he feels as if he's far more ahead of the game, as far as knowledge of the 49ers' offense, than he's ever been at this point.

It certainly didn't show becacuse he's still hesitant.

That was as of today, not last week. I guess we'll just have to wait and see!

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
All this talk about Huard? Why is everyone on board his ship now? We just had a guy saying that he's a quarterback who can lead us to the playoffs.

I seriously wonder what people were saying about Dilfer in preseason.

-9fA

Have you seen Huard play......he is not horrible and with a talented offensive team I'm sure he can do fine..... he is like a late aged Vet. QB who can still play, kinda like Kerry Collins.... a couple of years ago Collins was considered horrible....but he has come around and is starting for the Titans.

I'm not saying he a superstar qb....but I feel comfortable having him back there compared to most other backups in the league...or free agents....as well as Alex.

LOL. Kerry Collins? Kerry Collins is still horrible. All he has to do is hand the ball off 35 times, throw a pass here and there and let his defense do the rest. And it's not a huge feat when to become the starting QB of the Titans when your only competition is Vince Young.

Huard is just another Dilfer. That's all he is. He's no Kurt Warner.

-9fA

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
wait joe how are you going to say he sucks after you said youd be fine with him if he wins?

the passer ratings from 07 arent good but id like to see what his rating from that az game would be if battle hadnt fumbled that td catch at the one yard line but oh well. what about that denver game to end 06? i remember him having a better game than a 67 passer ratin or whatever would indicate but it was a while ago so whatever i guess.

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

Whoops there it is!

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

How dare you try to think logically!!! Now take all that back because apparently reality is an excuse.

My point is that people's last memory of Smith was when he came back from a devastating shoulder injury too early. The kid showed progress up until his injury.

We have ourselves a catch-22. Smith needs playing time to regain his confidence. But the coaches won't give him playing time until he regains his confidence.

With that in mind, how much time should Smith be given to get his game back on track and regain his confidence?

Smith has not shown much since he's been on the team. YOu can say all you want about him having a bad suppporting cast, but he not shown the glimpse of being a star. The QB is supposed to elevate the other players and put them in a position to do better and Smith hasn't done that. He's had one game against Arizona and one game against seattle and it wasn't even the whole game.

Smith hasn't shown a glimpse Are you serious??? Smith was expected to have a break out year in 07 after his profression that he had in 06 under Turner. Smith started the season with a 2-1 record before being landed on by a big fat man messing up his shoulder due to a poor line. That same line got 2 other QB's injured to include your glorious Mr. Hill. NOBODY shined in the 07 season. Hostler didn't put anyone in the position to shine in that season with his "ask maddan" play calling. yet Smith still went 2-1 to start the year.

Look back at the those 2 games and smith didn't win the game. he just managed the game. I want a QB that goes out and makes plays. We actually would have loss the Arizona game but they couldn't fall on the ball.

Please remind me of a game where smith played great the WHOLE game!

Hill has also had line probably, but he has better pocket awareness and avoids the sack more often than not. Remember Smith holding onto the ball too long and we all questioned the size of his hands.

Smith has better upside but that doesn't mean anything if he doesn't show it on the field!

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

How dare you try to think logically!!! Now take all that back because apparently reality is an excuse.

My point is that people's last memory of Smith was when he came back from a devastating shoulder injury too early. The kid showed progress up until his injury.

We have ourselves a catch-22. Smith needs playing time to regain his confidence. But the coaches won't give him playing time until he regains his confidence.

With that in mind, how much time should Smith be given to get his game back on track and regain his confidence?

Smith has not shown much since he's been on the team. YOu can say all you want about him having a bad suppporting cast, but he not shown the glimpse of being a star. The QB is supposed to elevate the other players and put them in a position to do better and Smith hasn't done that. He's had one game against Arizona and one game against seattle and it wasn't even the whole game.

Smith hasn't shown a glimpse Are you serious??? Smith was expected to have a break out year in 07 after his profression that he had in 06 under Turner. Smith started the season with a 2-1 record before being landed on by a big fat man messing up his shoulder due to a poor line. That same line got 2 other QB's injured to include your glorious Mr. Hill. NOBODY shined in the 07 season. Hostler didn't put anyone in the position to shine in that season with his "ask maddan" play calling. yet Smith still went 2-1 to start the year.

Look back at the those 2 games and smith didn't win the game. he just managed the game. I want a QB that goes out and makes plays. We actually would have loss the Arizona game but they couldn't fall on the ball.

Please remind me of a game where smith played great the WHOLE game!

Hill has also had line probably, but he has better pocket awareness and avoids the sack more often than not. Remember Smith holding onto the ball too long and we all questioned the size of his hands.

Smith has better upside but that doesn't mean anything if he doesn't show it on the field!

Smith didn't win any games?? Did he not tuck the ball and run for a crucial 1rst down and it was a pretty good damn run too if I remember right. Also remember who the OC was for that season. None of the QB's looked good under that joke of a a coordinator.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

How dare you try to think logically!!! Now take all that back because apparently reality is an excuse.

My point is that people's last memory of Smith was when he came back from a devastating shoulder injury too early. The kid showed progress up until his injury.

We have ourselves a catch-22. Smith needs playing time to regain his confidence. But the coaches won't give him playing time until he regains his confidence.

With that in mind, how much time should Smith be given to get his game back on track and regain his confidence?

Smith has not shown much since he's been on the team. YOu can say all you want about him having a bad suppporting cast, but he not shown the glimpse of being a star. The QB is supposed to elevate the other players and put them in a position to do better and Smith hasn't done that. He's had one game against Arizona and one game against seattle and it wasn't even the whole game.

Smith hasn't shown a glimpse Are you serious??? Smith was expected to have a break out year in 07 after his profression that he had in 06 under Turner. Smith started the season with a 2-1 record before being landed on by a big fat man messing up his shoulder due to a poor line. That same line got 2 other QB's injured to include your glorious Mr. Hill. NOBODY shined in the 07 season. Hostler didn't put anyone in the position to shine in that season with his "ask maddan" play calling. yet Smith still went 2-1 to start the year.

Look back at the those 2 games and smith didn't win the game. he just managed the game. I want a QB that goes out and makes plays. We actually would have loss the Arizona game but they couldn't fall on the ball.

Please remind me of a game where smith played great the WHOLE game!

Hill has also had line probably, but he has better pocket awareness and avoids the sack more often than not. Remember Smith holding onto the ball too long and we all questioned the size of his hands.

Smith has better upside but that doesn't mean anything if he doesn't show it on the field!

Smith didn't win any games?? Did he not tuck the ball and run for a crucial 1rst down and it was a pretty good damn run too if I remember right. Also remember who the OC was for that season. None of the QB's looked good under that joke of a a coordinator.

If you're talking about the AZ game of 07 Smith went 15 for 31. Save for a couple of plays, he sucked that game. Maybe if he didn't have such a horrible first 50 min of the game he wouldn't have to "SAVE" the game at the end.

In the next game against STL he went 11 for 17 with no touchdowns in either game. As a mater of fact, Gore ran for 80+ with two TDs. This win belongs to Gore.

Originally posted by vv9er:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by dwy621:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by backontop:

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

How dare you try to think logically!!! Now take all that back because apparently reality is an excuse.

My point is that people's last memory of Smith was when he came back from a devastating shoulder injury too early. The kid showed progress up until his injury.

We have ourselves a catch-22. Smith needs playing time to regain his confidence. But the coaches won't give him playing time until he regains his confidence.

With that in mind, how much time should Smith be given to get his game back on track and regain his confidence?

Smith has not shown much since he's been on the team. YOu can say all you want about him having a bad suppporting cast, but he not shown the glimpse of being a star. The QB is supposed to elevate the other players and put them in a position to do better and Smith hasn't done that. He's had one game against Arizona and one game against seattle and it wasn't even the whole game.

Smith hasn't shown a glimpse Are you serious??? Smith was expected to have a break out year in 07 after his profression that he had in 06 under Turner. Smith started the season with a 2-1 record before being landed on by a big fat man messing up his shoulder due to a poor line. That same line got 2 other QB's injured to include your glorious Mr. Hill. NOBODY shined in the 07 season. Hostler didn't put anyone in the position to shine in that season with his "ask maddan" play calling. yet Smith still went 2-1 to start the year.

Look back at the those 2 games and smith didn't win the game. he just managed the game. I want a QB that goes out and makes plays. We actually would have loss the Arizona game but they couldn't fall on the ball.

Please remind me of a game where smith played great the WHOLE game!

Hill has also had line probably, but he has better pocket awareness and avoids the sack more often than not. Remember Smith holding onto the ball too long and we all questioned the size of his hands.

Smith has better upside but that doesn't mean anything if he doesn't show it on the field!

Smith didn't win any games?? Did he not tuck the ball and run for a crucial 1rst down and it was a pretty good damn run too if I remember right. Also remember who the OC was for that season. None of the QB's looked good under that joke of a a coordinator.

If you're talking about the AZ game of 07 Smith went 15 for 31. Save for a couple of plays, he sucked that game. Maybe if he didn't have such a horrible first 50 min of the game he wouldn't have to "SAVE" the game at the end.

In the next game against STL he went 11 for 17 with no touchdowns in either game. As a mater of fact, Gore ran for 80+ with two TDs. This win belongs to Gore.

wasn't the 07 season where all the receivers sucked and dropped all the passes thrown their direction thanks to D. Drop infecting the WR's with stonehands disease? If I remember right Smith had some crucial 3rd down passes dropped(even one or two by Battle) Not to mention D. Drops infamous stone hands in the endzone. Everyone always wants to blame Alex Smith saying oh you suck and yaddda yadda. And they don't take into concideration that in 07 EVERYBODY sucked.

Unless Smith comes out and lights it up (unlikely), there's not much of a competition going on. Hill consitantly outperforms him.