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  • rum53
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Originally posted by Joecool:

Muwhahahahaha:

However, Alex Smith's last 7 games starting when 100% healthy.

Starting at Pittsburgh and backwards to 2006.

65.1
86.9
59.3
69.0
66.7
102.4: This was his great infamous SEA game where he was 56% but had 2 TDs passing with a 6.5 yards per completion and only 162 total yards passing.
48.2


I'm sorry, but Alex Smith hasn't done crap.

Would you rather have a QB with a low QB rating that wins games or one with a high QB that loses games? I'd rather win games than put up big numbers (sorry FF addicts).

I'm not saying that Smith has a better overall record than Hill. But rather he was showing consistent progress by winning more games one year to the next up until his injury.
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Agreed Huard has been terrible the past few years when giving the chance to play at Kansas City. Starter, Bench, Starter, and this was the guy who was suppose to replace Dan Marino in Miami.
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by backontop:
I find if hilarious that Smith haters are 100000% against Smith even being in the league. But the so called "smith kool aid drinkers" Think rationally and see the positives and negatives for each QB. They are also rooting for who ever that QB is that can provide the best opportunity to win games. If that QB is Smith then great if it is Hill then great.

I for one am not a Smith Hater and I only want the team to succeed. Smith does not deserve a spot on this roster though. Dirty said it really well and clear. Smith clearly would not unseat any other QB in this league neither a 1 or a 2. Huard played better in the first pre-season game than Smith. Smith looked "same ol, same ol which is not good.

If Hill were to get injured Huard would give us the best chance to win after that. Smith can't hit the broad side of a barn with a little pressure on him. He forces everything and is very inaccurate under pressure. I don't understand why anyone would still have any faith in him, regardless of age.

It is his body of work which is important here and that body of work is less than average and below mediocre. Those injuries aren't going to make him any better than he was and he will probably be worse, if that is possible.

Any snaps Smith is taking is hindering the progress of of a QB that can actually help this team. He is not helping us, he is continuing to hurt us as a team. If you can't see that than I don't know how else to say it. He has nothing to offer this team except youth. That doesn't win football games, PERIOD.

Go niners!!!

Clayton was a preseason warrior as well. JTO did great in the preseason should we bring him back??? Overreacting about a preseason performance against 3rd string defenses doesn't make Huard a better QB. It just means he played well against a 3rd string defense.

NO, watching the two players there is clearly a difference in level of play. Huard made the offense look respectable. The offense had a rythym. It looked like a professional offense. It makes me laugh that people still want to give smith a chance. He SUCKS, STILL. He is a complete waste of space and a roster spot. As a business owner, it is time to cut the losses. IMHO.
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
wait joe how are you going to say he sucks after you said youd be fine with him if he wins?

the passer ratings from 07 arent good but id like to see what his rating from that az game would be if battle hadnt fumbled that td catch at the one yard line but oh well. what about that denver game to end 06? i remember him having a better game than a 67 passer ratin or whatever would indicate but it was a while ago so whatever i guess.

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by backontop:
I find if hilarious that Smith haters are 100000% against Smith even being in the league. But the so called "smith kool aid drinkers" Think rationally and see the positives and negatives for each QB. They are also rooting for who ever that QB is that can provide the best opportunity to win games. If that QB is Smith then great if it is Hill then great.

I for one am not a Smith Hater and I only want the team to succeed. Smith does not deserve a spot on this roster though. Dirty said it really well and clear. Smith clearly would not unseat any other QB in this league neither a 1 or a 2. Huard played better in the first pre-season game than Smith. Smith looked "same ol, same ol which is not good.

If Hill were to get injured Huard would give us the best chance to win after that. Smith can't hit the broad side of a barn with a little pressure on him. He forces everything and is very inaccurate under pressure. I don't understand why anyone would still have any faith in him, regardless of age.

It is his body of work which is important here and that body of work is less than average and below mediocre. Those injuries aren't going to make him any better than he was and he will probably be worse, if that is possible.

Any snaps Smith is taking is hindering the progress of of a QB that can actually help this team. He is not helping us, he is continuing to hurt us as a team. If you can't see that than I don't know how else to say it. He has nothing to offer this team except youth. That doesn't win football games, PERIOD.

Go niners!!!

Clayton was a preseason warrior as well. JTO did great in the preseason should we bring him back??? Overreacting about a preseason performance against 3rd string defenses doesn't make Huard a better QB. It just means he played well against a 3rd string defense.

NO, watching the two players there is clearly a difference in level of play. Huard made the offense look respectable. The offense had a rythym. It looked like a professional offense. It makes me laugh that people still want to give smith a chance. He SUCKS, STILL. He is a complete waste of space and a roster spot. As a business owner, it is time to cut the losses. IMHO.

Did you not watch any other teams play last year? because if you saw Huard against real starters it was like watching Trent Dlifer all over again.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
wait joe how are you going to say he sucks after you said youd be fine with him if he wins?

the passer ratings from 07 arent good but id like to see what his rating from that az game would be if battle hadnt fumbled that td catch at the one yard line but oh well. what about that denver game to end 06? i remember him having a better game than a 67 passer ratin or whatever would indicate but it was a while ago so whatever i guess.

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.


I feel like I am talking to a wall
  • rum53
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
wait joe how are you going to say he sucks after you said youd be fine with him if he wins?

the passer ratings from 07 arent good but id like to see what his rating from that az game would be if battle hadnt fumbled that td catch at the one yard line but oh well. what about that denver game to end 06? i remember him having a better game than a 67 passer ratin or whatever would indicate but it was a while ago so whatever i guess.

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by aacadena:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by rum53:
Originally posted by Joecool:


No, I was just saying what if Shaun Hill went 4-6? It wouldn't have looked so good. But the "truth" is that he went 7-3 with a very good overall rating and excellent leadership continuity skills overall. You can only go by what the guy has done when he has had the opportunity. You cannot go by the time he did not play his other years in the NFL. You cannot go by what you think he may not be able to do such as take us deep into the playoffs. Trent f**king Dilfer of all people won the superbowl so this talk about not going deep into the playoffs is sad. Shaun Hill in his ten games has performed better than Trent Dilfer EVER did in that superbowl year.

Therefore, by the way our QBs have played when they have gotten the chance Hill can take us deep into the playoffs if the team as a whole plays to their capabilities.

To be honest, I think the QB position in this system will be fine regardless of who wins. Both Smith and Hill are competitive and both had success in the past. I think Singletary will try to avoid placing the success of the team on either QB's shoulders until they prove worthy of it (which can only be done in regular season).

This reminds me of last season with JTO. Martz literally put the entire offense's success onto JTO's shoulders with his play calling, which was completely unfair to the journeyman QB. I'm not going to say JTO is a starting QB, just that he's better than his play suggested.

I see Raye, on the other hand, trying to avoid putting too much pressure on the QB early on in the season. He will use the run to set up the pass, which makes a QB's job that much easier. With that in mind, we will at a minimum have an average offense regardless of who is QB.

If and when the starting QB finds success, we will see Raye open up the playbook and put more of the game plan onto the QB's shoulders. Until then, we should expect a lot of playaction passes, bootlegs, and short-to-intermediate passing with the occasional shot deep.

I also feel the same way. If Smith actually wins the competition, then I will feel that we can win with him.

I agree that whoever wins the competition, that our team is good enough to go as deep as any team in the league.



Pinche Joe you woke up one the Goodside of the bed this morning didn't you?? hahaha You have been very positive.

Muwhahahahaha:

However, Alex Smith's last 7 games starting when 100% healthy.

Starting at Pittsburgh and backwards to 2006.

65.1
86.9
59.3
69.0
66.7
102.4: This was his great infamous SEA game where he was 56% but had 2 TDs passing with a 6.5 yards per completion and only 162 total yards passing.
48.2


I'm sorry, but Alex Smith hasn't done crap.

Joe, yesterday you said two (2) days w/o criticism of A. Smith.

Two (2), II, dos, days.

Now we have to bring up the JTO EXPRESS thread all over again!

I'll stipulate that Alex Smith's development as a QB was not nearly what it should have been under Nolan (or to use your hyperbole, he "hasn't done crap.")

I would also point out to you that there's a new and different HC, one who appears to be a much better coach.

It may be that Alex Smith won't do "crap" under Singletary either, but I am willing to give him a chance, simply because I'm more convinced that Singletary will give him a fairer chance to succeed than he got before.

Why not wait and see?
Originally posted by rum53:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
wait joe how are you going to say he sucks after you said youd be fine with him if he wins?

the passer ratings from 07 arent good but id like to see what his rating from that az game would be if battle hadnt fumbled that td catch at the one yard line but oh well. what about that denver game to end 06? i remember him having a better game than a 67 passer ratin or whatever would indicate but it was a while ago so whatever i guess.

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

How dare you try to think logically!!! Now take all that back because apparently reality is an excuse.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by RedAndGold4Life:
Guys, Alex is another Rashaun (bigger let down of course; wish we would have gotten Rodgers)...lets move on and give Hill the rock and the job going forward...

He would have never held up to the beating that the QB took because of the terrible pass blocking. He is nowhere near as tough as Smith, he would have been a bigger bust due to injury.

Wow that's a pretty biased answer if I ever seen one.

I stand by what I said, if Green Bay's oline let Rodgers get injured, how do you think he would have fared behind ours? Rodgers is nowhere near as mobile as Smith, and our line got him killed. I hate that these two were the best available when we had the #1 overall pick in such a weak draft, just s**tty luck for us.

Simply put, there is no way of proving your statement. Tell me how do you know Rodgers wouldn't of fared well behind our O-line, hes a much better efficient passer and gets the ball out faster. Rodgers in almost 100 more pass attempts than Smith in their first full year starting, Rodgers was sacked one fewer, and he didn't have nowhere near as good of a rushing game that we did in 2006.


He had a much better pass blocking offensive line.,,but I digress, no point in arguing about the might have beens, it is what it is and we have to deal the hand we were dealt.
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
All this talk about Huard? Why is everyone on board his ship now? We just had a guy saying that he's a quarterback who can lead us to the playoffs.

I seriously wonder what people were saying about Dilfer in preseason.

-9fA

Singletary said that no matter what Huard is not in the competition to be the starting QB. Damon Huard is the 3rd string QB!
  • rum53
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Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by rum53:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by backontop:

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

which hill has done much better than smith. Smith has not brought more wins than losses.

Smith took over one of the worst teams in NFL history at the age of 21. That has to count for something. By the time Hill got into the game, the 49ers were well into the rebuilding phase. Not to mention Hill spent a number of years holding a clipboard learning the craft, while Smith was thrown to the wolves from day one.

During his last 12 healthy games, Smith was 7-5. Hill's record is 7-3. That's not much of difference.

How dare you try to think logically!!! Now take all that back because apparently reality is an excuse.

My point is that people's last memory of Smith was when he came back from a devastating shoulder injury too early. The kid showed progress up until his injury.

We have ourselves a catch-22. Smith needs playing time to regain his confidence. But the coaches won't give him playing time until he regains his confidence.

With that in mind, how much time should Smith be given to get his game back on track and regain his confidence?
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by backontop:
I find if hilarious that Smith haters are 100000% against Smith even being in the league. But the so called "smith kool aid drinkers" Think rationally and see the positives and negatives for each QB. They are also rooting for who ever that QB is that can provide the best opportunity to win games. If that QB is Smith then great if it is Hill then great.

I for one am not a Smith Hater and I only want the team to succeed. Smith does not deserve a spot on this roster though. Dirty said it really well and clear. Smith clearly would not unseat any other QB in this league neither a 1 or a 2. Huard played better in the first pre-season game than Smith. Smith looked "same ol, same ol which is not good.

If Hill were to get injured Huard would give us the best chance to win after that. Smith can't hit the broad side of a barn with a little pressure on him. He forces everything and is very inaccurate under pressure. I don't understand why anyone would still have any faith in him, regardless of age.

It is his body of work which is important here and that body of work is less than average and below mediocre. Those injuries aren't going to make him any better than he was and he will probably be worse, if that is possible.

Any snaps Smith is taking is hindering the progress of of a QB that can actually help this team. He is not helping us, he is continuing to hurt us as a team. If you can't see that than I don't know how else to say it. He has nothing to offer this team except youth. That doesn't win football games, PERIOD.

Go niners!!!

Clayton was a preseason warrior as well. JTO did great in the preseason should we bring him back??? Overreacting about a preseason performance against 3rd string defenses doesn't make Huard a better QB. It just means he played well against a 3rd string defense.

Hey someone on here can look at stats in context.Wish others could look deeper than just the surface of a situation. Some folks just do not have the capacity for depth of thought. They just see stats and do not even try to take the time to consider the circumstances.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by backontop:
I find if hilarious that Smith haters are 100000% against Smith even being in the league. But the so called "smith kool aid drinkers" Think rationally and see the positives and negatives for each QB. They are also rooting for who ever that QB is that can provide the best opportunity to win games. If that QB is Smith then great if it is Hill then great.

I for one am not a Smith Hater and I only want the team to succeed. Smith does not deserve a spot on this roster though. Dirty said it really well and clear. Smith clearly would not unseat any other QB in this league neither a 1 or a 2. Huard played better in the first pre-season game than Smith. Smith looked "same ol, same ol which is not good.

If Hill were to get injured Huard would give us the best chance to win after that. Smith can't hit the broad side of a barn with a little pressure on him. He forces everything and is very inaccurate under pressure. I don't understand why anyone would still have any faith in him, regardless of age.

It is his body of work which is important here and that body of work is less than average and below mediocre. Those injuries aren't going to make him any better than he was and he will probably be worse, if that is possible.

Any snaps Smith is taking is hindering the progress of of a QB that can actually help this team. He is not helping us, he is continuing to hurt us as a team. If you can't see that than I don't know how else to say it. He has nothing to offer this team except youth. That doesn't win football games, PERIOD.

Go niners!!!

Clayton was a preseason warrior as well. JTO did great in the preseason should we bring him back??? Overreacting about a preseason performance against 3rd string defenses doesn't make Huard a better QB. It just means he played well against a 3rd string defense.

Hey someone on here can look at stats in context.Wish others could look deeper than just the surface of a situation. Some folks just do not have the capacity for depth of thought. They just see stats and do not even try to take the time to consider the circumstances.

and those people are the ones that jump to conclusions and think they "know it all" Then call for someones head on a platter
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by ninerfan818:
Originally posted by backontop:
I find if hilarious that Smith haters are 100000% against Smith even being in the league. But the so called "smith kool aid drinkers" Think rationally and see the positives and negatives for each QB. They are also rooting for who ever that QB is that can provide the best opportunity to win games. If that QB is Smith then great if it is Hill then great.

I for one am not a Smith Hater and I only want the team to succeed. Smith does not deserve a spot on this roster though. Dirty said it really well and clear. Smith clearly would not unseat any other QB in this league neither a 1 or a 2. Huard played better in the first pre-season game than Smith. Smith looked "same ol, same ol which is not good.

If Hill were to get injured Huard would give us the best chance to win after that. Smith can't hit the broad side of a barn with a little pressure on him. He forces everything and is very inaccurate under pressure. I don't understand why anyone would still have any faith in him, regardless of age.

It is his body of work which is important here and that body of work is less than average and below mediocre. Those injuries aren't going to make him any better than he was and he will probably be worse, if that is possible.

Any snaps Smith is taking is hindering the progress of of a QB that can actually help this team. He is not helping us, he is continuing to hurt us as a team. If you can't see that than I don't know how else to say it. He has nothing to offer this team except youth. That doesn't win football games, PERIOD.

Go niners!!!

Clayton was a preseason warrior as well. JTO did great in the preseason should we bring him back??? Overreacting about a preseason performance against 3rd string defenses doesn't make Huard a better QB. It just means he played well against a 3rd string defense.

Hey someone on here can look at stats in context.Wish others could look deeper than just the surface of a situation. Some folks just do not have the capacity for depth of thought. They just see stats and do not even try to take the time to consider the circumstances.


Huard = Dilfer Jr. except without the superbowl.
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