QB Competition

Rodgers mightve done well but he wouldnt be the player he is today. first of all you cant tell me that sitting for 2 or 3 years and having an offensive head coach who has ran a wco the whole time hes been there hasnt helped. second you said he didnt have a good rushing attack and i could be wrong here but im pretty sure espn said grant ran for 1200 yards last year. again i could be wrong but that is a GOOD year. 3rd look at who hes throwing to. jennings, driver, jones i think, and a few other talented guys.

Originally posted by mustangmele:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Therefore, by the way our QBs have played when they have gotten the chance Hill can take us deep into the playoffs if the team as a whole plays to their capabilities.

Well if that's what you really believe, then so can Alex Smith.

I will go with the guy with a career 90.5 rating, chemistry, leadership, and rythm over the one with a career 63.5 rating anyday.

Originally posted by Joecool:


No, I was just saying what if Shaun Hill went 4-6? It wouldn't have looked so good. But the "truth" is that he went 7-3 with a very good overall rating and excellent leadership continuity skills overall. You can only go by what the guy has done when he has had the opportunity. You cannot go by the time he did not play his other years in the NFL. You cannot go by what you think he may not be able to do such as take us deep into the playoffs. Trent f**king Dilfer of all people won the superbowl so this talk about not going deep into the playoffs is sad. Shaun Hill in his ten games has performed better than Trent Dilfer EVER did in that superbowl year.

Therefore, by the way our QBs have played when they have gotten the chance Hill can take us deep into the playoffs if the team as a whole plays to their capabilities.

To be honest, I think the QB position in this system will be fine regardless of who wins. Both Smith and Hill are competitive and both had success in the past. I think Singletary will try to avoid placing the success of the team on either QB's shoulders until they prove worthy of it (which can only be done in regular season).

This reminds me of last season with JTO. Martz literally put the entire offense's success onto JTO's shoulders with his play calling, which was completely unfair to the journeyman QB. I'm not going to say JTO is a starting QB, just that he's better than his play suggested.

I see Raye, on the other hand, trying to avoid putting too much pressure on the QB early on in the season. He will use the run to set up the pass, which makes a QB's job that much easier. With that in mind, we will at a minimum have an average offense regardless of who is QB.

If and when the starting QB finds success, we will see Raye open up the playbook and put more of the game plan onto the QB's shoulders. Until then, we should expect a lot of playaction passes, bootlegs, and short-to-intermediate passing with the occasional shot deep.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by mustangmele:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Therefore, by the way our QBs have played when they have gotten the chance Hill can take us deep into the playoffs if the team as a whole plays to their capabilities.

Well if that's what you really believe, then so can Alex Smith.

I will go with the guy with a career 90.5 rating, chemistry, leadership, and rythm over the one with a career 63.5 rating anyday.

Look I hear ya... I'm personally routing for Alex Smith because I want the number pick to pan out. He was set up for failer period. I won't even begin to get into a debate about that. He never had the opportunity to play with the team Shuan Hill got to waltz right into.

That being said, I want the best man to win. If it's Shuan Hill so be it. I'll root for him any time he's under center. But, just like Shuan Hill fans can't stand people making exuses for Alex Smith, Alex Smith fans can't stand people overlooking the fact that he's made quite a few good plays himself, despite the terrible circumstance he was in.

I understand why you want Shuan Hill though and I can't blame you. I personally think though that Smith has alot of potential. And I think he did a great job in the Broncos game. I don't know why everyones trippin over one badly thrown jump pass. Please!

Anyways, I just quoted you because I wanted to see if JoeCool would lose it! Haha you passed the test.

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:


No, I was just saying what if Shaun Hill went 4-6? It wouldn't have looked so good. But the "truth" is that he went 7-3 with a very good overall rating and excellent leadership continuity skills overall. You can only go by what the guy has done when he has had the opportunity. You cannot go by the time he did not play his other years in the NFL. You cannot go by what you think he may not be able to do such as take us deep into the playoffs. Trent f**king Dilfer of all people won the superbowl so this talk about not going deep into the playoffs is sad. Shaun Hill in his ten games has performed better than Trent Dilfer EVER did in that superbowl year.

Therefore, by the way our QBs have played when they have gotten the chance Hill can take us deep into the playoffs if the team as a whole plays to their capabilities.

To be honest, I think the QB position in this system will be fine regardless of who wins. Both Smith and Hill are competitive and both had success in the past. I think Singletary will try to avoid placing the success of the team on either QB's shoulders until they prove worthy of it (which can only be done in regular season).

This reminds me of last season with JTO. Martz literally put the entire offense's success onto JTO's shoulders with his play calling, which was completely unfair to the journeyman QB. I'm not going to say JTO is a starting QB, just that he's better than his play suggested.

I see Raye, on the other hand, trying to avoid putting too much pressure on the QB early on in the season. He will use the run to set up the pass, which makes a QB's job that much easier. With that in mind, we will at a minimum have an average offense regardless of who is QB.

If and when the starting QB finds success, we will see Raye open up the playbook and put more of the game plan onto the QB's shoulders. Until then, we should expect a lot of playaction passes, bootlegs, and short-to-intermediate passing with the occasional shot deep.

I also feel the same way. If Smith actually wins the competition, then I will feel that we can win with him.

I agree that whoever wins the competition, that our team is good enough to go as deep as any team in the league.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by TOP_CAT:
backontop: I actually was hoping the Niners would draft Davis in the 3rd round. He would have been a 1st round pick except that the word got out that he has Dyslexia and just about the same time he had two poor games at the end of the college season. They were I believe 12-0 and Davis was being talked about as a early 1st round pick or at least a 2nd rounder,but then he got really sick before his 2nd to last game and he sucked it up and tried to play anyway(because he carried the team almost entirely on his shoulders alone) but he played poorly and they lost their 1st game. Then in their bowl game Davis has his first poor game of the year (when healthy) and worries that he played poorly in the biggest pressure game of his life helped him drop out of the 1st round (along with the Dyslexia hysteria).
At least 6 months before the draft I was hoping the Niners would draft this stud as out QB of the future. I was deleriously happy when we hit the jackpot and got him in the 5th round ,because of the Dyslexia rumors etc).
He is very accurate and has the quickest release possible and throws rockets with a beautiful over the top motion and is a scrambler and runner and a great team leader. What more could you ask,except that he bring all of that to the NFL field? Hopefully for all of us fans,he does just that and in 2010 or 11 he is our starting QB.

Hopefully he can work out for us, a lot of the same things that you are saying about him are what the experts were saying about Smith coming out of college. Checking their college stats, they are almost identical type numbers. Davis threw more picks than Smith, but Smith was probably on a better team. But let's not count our chickens before they hatch, his learning disability might be a lot to overcome. He has to be able to learn the playbook. From the way you speak of him, it sounds like he is some relation or you are an alum of Ball State.

Davis has a quicker release and stronger arm. Davis also turned a crap team into a winner whereas it's beginning to look more and more like it was more Urban Meyer than Alex Smith.

I am pretty sure that Smith was the one throwing the passes. His problems started when he was drafted by a team that had no idea of how to develop a QB. I know it is pointless to try to make you see anything positive about Smith, but Davis has shown even less than Smith to this point and there are folks getting ahead of themselves in their praise for him. I will reserve judgment until he actually makes the team. He has a huge disadvantage with his learning disability, so his success would be a nice feel good story for the niners, and after all the crappy luck we have had with QB's in the past decade, we deserve a break.

The pasture is always greener. I remember when some argued that Cody Pickett was going to lead the Niners to the promised land.

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by TOP_CAT:
backontop: I actually was hoping the Niners would draft Davis in the 3rd round. He would have been a 1st round pick except that the word got out that he has Dyslexia and just about the same time he had two poor games at the end of the college season. They were I believe 12-0 and Davis was being talked about as a early 1st round pick or at least a 2nd rounder,but then he got really sick before his 2nd to last game and he sucked it up and tried to play anyway(because he carried the team almost entirely on his shoulders alone) but he played poorly and they lost their 1st game. Then in their bowl game Davis has his first poor game of the year (when healthy) and worries that he played poorly in the biggest pressure game of his life helped him drop out of the 1st round (along with the Dyslexia hysteria).
At least 6 months before the draft I was hoping the Niners would draft this stud as out QB of the future. I was deleriously happy when we hit the jackpot and got him in the 5th round ,because of the Dyslexia rumors etc).
He is very accurate and has the quickest release possible and throws rockets with a beautiful over the top motion and is a scrambler and runner and a great team leader. What more could you ask,except that he bring all of that to the NFL field? Hopefully for all of us fans,he does just that and in 2010 or 11 he is our starting QB.

Hopefully he can work out for us, a lot of the same things that you are saying about him are what the experts were saying about Smith coming out of college. Checking their college stats, they are almost identical type numbers. Davis threw more picks than Smith, but Smith was probably on a better team. But let's not count our chickens before they hatch, his learning disability might be a lot to overcome. He has to be able to learn the playbook. From the way you speak of him, it sounds like he is some relation or you are an alum of Ball State.

Davis has a quicker release and stronger arm. Davis also turned a crap team into a winner whereas it's beginning to look more and more like it was more Urban Meyer than Alex Smith.

I am pretty sure that Smith was the one throwing the passes. His problems started when he was drafted by a team that had no idea of how to develop a QB. I know it is pointless to try to make you see anything positive about Smith, but Davis has shown even less than Smith to this point and there are folks getting ahead of themselves in their praise for him. I will reserve judgment until he actually makes the team. He has a huge disadvantage with his learning disability, so his success would be a nice feel good story for the niners, and after all the crappy luck we have had with QB's in the past decade, we deserve a break.

The pasture is always greener. I remember when some argued that Cody Pickett was going to lead the Niners to the promised land.

That's really not a good example. Pickett never did anything.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:


No, I was just saying what if Shaun Hill went 4-6? It wouldn't have looked so good. But the "truth" is that he went 7-3 with a very good overall rating and excellent leadership continuity skills overall. You can only go by what the guy has done when he has had the opportunity. You cannot go by the time he did not play his other years in the NFL. You cannot go by what you think he may not be able to do such as take us deep into the playoffs. Trent f**king Dilfer of all people won the superbowl so this talk about not going deep into the playoffs is sad. Shaun Hill in his ten games has performed better than Trent Dilfer EVER did in that superbowl year.

Therefore, by the way our QBs have played when they have gotten the chance Hill can take us deep into the playoffs if the team as a whole plays to their capabilities.

To be honest, I think the QB position in this system will be fine regardless of who wins. Both Smith and Hill are competitive and both had success in the past. I think Singletary will try to avoid placing the success of the team on either QB's shoulders until they prove worthy of it (which can only be done in regular season).

This reminds me of last season with JTO. Martz literally put the entire offense's success onto JTO's shoulders with his play calling, which was completely unfair to the journeyman QB. I'm not going to say JTO is a starting QB, just that he's better than his play suggested.

I see Raye, on the other hand, trying to avoid putting too much pressure on the QB early on in the season. He will use the run to set up the pass, which makes a QB's job that much easier. With that in mind, we will at a minimum have an average offense regardless of who is QB.

If and when the starting QB finds success, we will see Raye open up the playbook and put more of the game plan onto the QB's shoulders. Until then, we should expect a lot of playaction passes, bootlegs, and short-to-intermediate passing with the occasional shot deep.

I also feel the same way. If Smith actually wins the competition, then I will feel that we can win with him.

I agree that whoever wins the competition, that our team is good enough to go as deep as any team in the league.

Pinche Joe you woke up one the Goodside of the bed this morning didn't you?? hahaha You have been very positive.

Originally posted by aacadena:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by Joecool:


No, I was just saying what if Shaun Hill went 4-6? It wouldn't have looked so good. But the "truth" is that he went 7-3 with a very good overall rating and excellent leadership continuity skills overall. You can only go by what the guy has done when he has had the opportunity. You cannot go by the time he did not play his other years in the NFL. You cannot go by what you think he may not be able to do such as take us deep into the playoffs. Trent f**king Dilfer of all people won the superbowl so this talk about not going deep into the playoffs is sad. Shaun Hill in his ten games has performed better than Trent Dilfer EVER did in that superbowl year.

Therefore, by the way our QBs have played when they have gotten the chance Hill can take us deep into the playoffs if the team as a whole plays to their capabilities.

To be honest, I think the QB position in this system will be fine regardless of who wins. Both Smith and Hill are competitive and both had success in the past. I think Singletary will try to avoid placing the success of the team on either QB's shoulders until they prove worthy of it (which can only be done in regular season).

This reminds me of last season with JTO. Martz literally put the entire offense's success onto JTO's shoulders with his play calling, which was completely unfair to the journeyman QB. I'm not going to say JTO is a starting QB, just that he's better than his play suggested.

I see Raye, on the other hand, trying to avoid putting too much pressure on the QB early on in the season. He will use the run to set up the pass, which makes a QB's job that much easier. With that in mind, we will at a minimum have an average offense regardless of who is QB.

If and when the starting QB finds success, we will see Raye open up the playbook and put more of the game plan onto the QB's shoulders. Until then, we should expect a lot of playaction passes, bootlegs, and short-to-intermediate passing with the occasional shot deep.

I also feel the same way. If Smith actually wins the competition, then I will feel that we can win with him.

I agree that whoever wins the competition, that our team is good enough to go as deep as any team in the league.

Pinche Joe you woke up one the Goodside of the bed this morning didn't you?? hahaha You have been very positive.

Muwhahahahaha:

However, Alex Smith's last 7 games starting when 100% healthy.

Starting at Pittsburgh and backwards to 2006.

65.1
86.9
59.3
69.0
66.7
102.4: This was his great infamous SEA game where he was 56% but had 2 TDs passing with a 6.5 yards per completion and only 162 total yards passing.
48.2


I'm sorry, but Alex Smith hasn't done crap.

I find if hilarious that Smith haters are 100000% against Smith even being in the league. But the so called "smith kool aid drinkers" Think rationally and see the positives and negatives for each QB. They are also rooting for who ever that QB is that can provide the best opportunity to win games. If that QB is Smith then great if it is Hill then great.

wait joe how are you going to say he sucks after you said youd be fine with him if he wins?

the passer ratings from 07 arent good but id like to see what his rating from that az game would be if battle hadnt fumbled that td catch at the one yard line but oh well. what about that denver game to end 06? i remember him having a better game than a 67 passer ratin or whatever would indicate but it was a while ago so whatever i guess.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
wait joe how are you going to say he sucks after you said youd be fine with him if he wins?

the passer ratings from 07 arent good but id like to see what his rating from that az game would be if battle hadnt fumbled that td catch at the one yard line but oh well. what about that denver game to end 06? i remember him having a better game than a 67 passer ratin or whatever would indicate but it was a while ago so whatever i guess.

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
wait joe how are you going to say he sucks after you said youd be fine with him if he wins?

the passer ratings from 07 arent good but id like to see what his rating from that az game would be if battle hadnt fumbled that td catch at the one yard line but oh well. what about that denver game to end 06? i remember him having a better game than a 67 passer ratin or whatever would indicate but it was a while ago so whatever i guess.

I don't see the problem with a passer rating if he is winning games. Everybody is so stuck on "stats" that they lose sight of the real important thing. And that is bring home the W.

Well then most likely it's not the quarterback that's winning the games with a low passer rating, it's the defense.

Originally posted by backontop:
I find if hilarious that Smith haters are 100000% against Smith even being in the league. But the so called "smith kool aid drinkers" Think rationally and see the positives and negatives for each QB. They are also rooting for who ever that QB is that can provide the best opportunity to win games. If that QB is Smith then great if it is Hill then great.

I for one am not a Smith Hater and I only want the team to succeed. Smith does not deserve a spot on this roster though. Dirty said it really well and clear. Smith clearly would not unseat any other QB in this league neither a 1 or a 2. Huard played better in the first pre-season game than Smith. Smith looked "same ol, same ol which is not good.

If Hill were to get injured Huard would give us the best chance to win after that. Smith can't hit the broad side of a barn with a little pressure on him. He forces everything and is very inaccurate under pressure. I don't understand why anyone would still have any faith in him, regardless of age.

It is his body of work which is important here and that body of work is less than average and below mediocre. Those injuries aren't going to make him any better than he was and he will probably be worse, if that is possible.

Any snaps Smith is taking is hindering the progress of of a QB that can actually help this team. He is not helping us, he is continuing to hurt us as a team. If you can't see that than I don't know how else to say it. He has nothing to offer this team except youth. That doesn't win football games, PERIOD.

Go niners!!!

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by backontop:
I find if hilarious that Smith haters are 100000% against Smith even being in the league. But the so called "smith kool aid drinkers" Think rationally and see the positives and negatives for each QB. They are also rooting for who ever that QB is that can provide the best opportunity to win games. If that QB is Smith then great if it is Hill then great.

I for one am not a Smith Hater and I only want the team to succeed. Smith does not deserve a spot on this roster though. Dirty said it really well and clear. Smith clearly would not unseat any other QB in this league neither a 1 or a 2. Huard played better in the first pre-season game than Smith. Smith looked "same ol, same ol which is not good.

If Hill were to get injured Huard would give us the best chance to win after that. Smith can't hit the broad side of a barn with a little pressure on him. He forces everything and is very inaccurate under pressure. I don't understand why anyone would still have any faith in him, regardless of age.

It is his body of work which is important here and that body of work is less than average and below mediocre. Those injuries aren't going to make him any better than he was and he will probably be worse, if that is possible.

Any snaps Smith is taking is hindering the progress of of a QB that can actually help this team. He is not helping us, he is continuing to hurt us as a team. If you can't see that than I don't know how else to say it. He has nothing to offer this team except youth. That doesn't win football games, PERIOD.

Go niners!!!

Clayton was a preseason warrior as well. JTO did great in the preseason should we bring him back??? Overreacting about a preseason performance against 3rd string defenses doesn't make Huard a better QB. It just means he played well against a 3rd string defense.