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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by 49wyztoscore:
Our own coaches aren't going to clown our own players. What did you expect him to say. Heitman isnt bad, he's an average center. how many division leaders have an average center ?

He could have simply stated that Heitmann was a good center. However, in that he stated that Heitmann was the best center he has had,"by far", and that if the team was better (this is true...bad teams get little representation), he would be a Pro-Bowl possibility, I'll say that Heitmann meets the criteria of being a good player.

As stated by other members his praises mean nothing. It looks like to me he does this to install confidence in to players that are going to need it. He said the same thing about Davis and look how much he uses him. I take that stuff with a grain of salt.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
If God himself came down from heaven, and declared Heitmann to be a good football player, there would still be some people on this board who would deny it was God that appeared. "It was just an obtacle illusion, or a mirage".

At least one local beat writer, Barrows, has said in the past couple weeks, that Heitmann is having a good year. Now, the OC is saying he is not only having a good year, but should be a Pro-Bowl candidate.

Come on, skeptics. Give it up!
Count it as a loss and move on.
I feel like we are doing "Lelie: Part 3" here.

Trust me, I'm not an idiot at this thing.

I called Nolan to be gone before last season, and Singletary to take over.
I stated that JTO would be benched when about half the board thought he would throw for 4,000 yards. I was going down in flames with that one...until about week 5, when the wheels began to fall off.
I stated that Lelie would be cut. OOOHHH, that was a toughy.
I stated that Sopoaga would be average, at best, not a raging star, as many board member thought, with the move to LDE. Remember the board members who thought he would collect 10 sacks this year?
I stated that A. Brooks would not be a star, or even a productive player on this team.
I stated the Niners would be 6-10 at the beginning of the year.
I stated the Niners would be 2-6 at the bye.
I stated that the Niners would not have a top 10, nor top 15 defense. We rank 23rd.
I stated that the Niners would not have a top 10, nor top 15 offense. We rank 26th.
I stated Nolan would be fired. I will say I thought it would happen at the end of the year, or at the break. The Niners beat me to the punch.
And I stated that Heitmann was a good football player.

And this is just a starter list. I'm sure some are looking through the archives now to verify. Please do so. Trust me, whenever I am wrong, people jump out of the woods with clubs. That's fine, I am wrong from time to time.

However, I'm batting about .999 this season, so I am not blowing ________ out of my a$$ when I make an assessment. And, yes, right now I'm patting myself on my back.

So, throw the dog a bone, and simply agree with the NFL world that Heitmann is a good player. It will do good for your mental health. Or continue to believe the world is flat.

Cheers.

You must mean it was an "obstacle illusion."

(I know, I know, he meant "optical".)

What's with all the scatological references lately? "Fat guy with gas"; "kicking the crap out of someone"; big giant turd with fluffy pink whipped cream and colorful sprinkles on it"; "I'm not blowing ________ out of my a$$". Dude, if you're not regular, try eating a bran muffin or something.

No one is arguing that Heitmann is NOT a good football player (well, almost no one), so stop beating your chest and get off the soapbox, we get it. Some are simply pointing out that he has some areas of weakness that should be addressed. Surely you can agree with that.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
If God himself came down from heaven, and declared Heitmann to be a good football player, there would still be some people on this board who would deny it was God that appeared. "It was just an obtacle illusion, or a mirage".

At least one local beat writer, Barrows, has said in the past couple weeks, that Heitmann is having a good year. Now, the OC is saying he is not only having a good year, but should be a Pro-Bowl candidate.

Come on, skeptics. Give it up!
Count it as a loss and move on.
I feel like we are doing "Lelie: Part 3" here.

Trust me, I'm not an idiot at this thing.

I called Nolan to be gone before last season, and Singletary to take over.
I stated that JTO would be benched when about half the board thought he would throw for 4,000 yards. I was going down in flames with that one...until about week 5, when the wheels began to fall off.
I stated that Lelie would be cut. OOOHHH, that was a toughy.
I stated that Sopoaga would be average, at best, not a raging star, as many board member thought, with the move to LDE. Remember the board members who thought he would collect 10 sacks this year?
I stated that A. Brooks would not be a star, or even a productive player on this team.
I stated the Niners would be 6-10 at the beginning of the year.
I stated the Niners would be 2-6 at the bye.
I stated that the Niners would not have a top 10, nor top 15 defense. We rank 23rd.
I stated that the Niners would not have a top 10, nor top 15 offense. We rank 26th.
I stated Nolan would be fired. I will say I thought it would happen at the end of the year, or at the break. The Niners beat me to the punch.
And I stated that Heitmann was a good football player.

And this is just a starter list. I'm sure some are looking through the archives now to verify. Please do so. Trust me, whenever I am wrong, people jump out of the woods with clubs. That's fine, I am wrong from time to time.

However, I'm batting about .999 this season, so I am not blowing ________ out of my a$$ when I make an assessment. And, yes, right now I'm patting myself on my back.

So, throw the dog a bone, and simply agree with the NFL world that Heitmann is a good player. It will do good for your mental health. Or continue to believe the world is flat.

Cheers.

Although your list deserves merit, it is pretty much predicated on the fact that you predicted that JTO would not be a successful quarterback. Everything else on that list pretty much follows from that or they were fairly easy predictions; except for the Heitmann (happy now? Two n's) thing (which we haven't yet established).

Unfortunately, JTO is a talented quarterback, who defeated himself due to, in my view, poor play from the RT position.

Just like Alex Smith, he developed a short mental clock and became fidgety and jumpy in the pocket. This trend started in the Saints game.
He simply did not trust Barry Sims to block for him and it was evident that this was in his head.

I think if we had any kind of decent right tackle, JTO would have been fine. However, being a GOOD NFL quarterback requires that you can handle pressure.

I like Hill, but it cannot be overlooked that he came in at the same time Snyder went to RT and Baas went to LG.
I think if JTO played behind the current O-line group he would have done much better.
Sims was basically sending a DE his way on almost half the drops.

As far as the defense...

The defensive scheme we run is so incredibly stupid, that I am simply in awe of it.
We had a much better defense last year with the 3-4 that we ran (we were 1st or 2nd in punts forced). We should have kept the same scheme; and although I think the loss of the stupendously underrated BY has a lot to do with it, I think the scheme is much more crippling for us overall. We have been running a completely wacko 4-3 most of the year.

Thankfully, our coaches have begun to switch (again) back to the true 3-4 scheme, although they STILL don't use it enough.

IMO we should just let Lawson play, and then see if he can get the hang of the pass rush thing. I think Lawson's pride will eventually kick in and and he will find ways to pressure the quarterback by being more physical.
Unfortunately, at the moment, for whatever reason, he doesn't seem very well coached at all. They could be utilizing his height advantage; there are certain techniques that can be taught to tall players which utilize their leverage.

And as for Heitmann. His biggest test will be against the Jets, with Jenkins.
If he can move that "beached whale with legs" at least 5 times, I will be impressed. If he only gets destroyed 5 times I will also be impressed.
If he can't block the guy at all, it will be difficult to call him an All-Pro center. But then again, I guess it depends upon the TYPE of center one prefers. Mauler, or puller.
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Originally posted by NinerGM:
I call BS on Martz. Sorry, but he said similar things about Smith and O'Sullivan while not saying much about Hill. Maybe we should listen to Martz when he DOESN'T think much about a particular player.

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Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
If God himself came down from heaven, and declared Heitmann to be a good football player, there would still be some people on this board who would deny it was God that appeared. "It was just an obtacle illusion, or a mirage".

At least one local beat writer, Barrows, has said in the past couple weeks, that Heitmann is having a good year. Now, the OC is saying he is not only having a good year, but should be a Pro-Bowl candidate.

Come on, skeptics. Give it up!
Count it as a loss and move on.
I feel like we are doing "Lelie: Part 3" here.

Trust me, I'm not an idiot at this thing.

I called Nolan to be gone before last season, and Singletary to take over.
I stated that JTO would be benched when about half the board thought he would throw for 4,000 yards. I was going down in flames with that one...until about week 5, when the wheels began to fall off.
I stated that Lelie would be cut. OOOHHH, that was a toughy.
I stated that Sopoaga would be average, at best, not a raging star, as many board member thought, with the move to LDE. Remember the board members who thought he would collect 10 sacks this year?
I stated that A. Brooks would not be a star, or even a productive player on this team.
I stated the Niners would be 6-10 at the beginning of the year.
I stated the Niners would be 2-6 at the bye.
I stated that the Niners would not have a top 10, nor top 15 defense. We rank 23rd.
I stated that the Niners would not have a top 10, nor top 15 offense. We rank 26th.
I stated Nolan would be fired. I will say I thought it would happen at the end of the year, or at the break. The Niners beat me to the punch.
And I stated that Heitmann was a good football player.

And this is just a starter list. I'm sure some are looking through the archives now to verify. Please do so. Trust me, whenever I am wrong, people jump out of the woods with clubs. That's fine, I am wrong from time to time.

However, I'm batting about .999 this season, so I am not blowing ________ out of my a$$ when I make an assessment. And, yes, right now I'm patting myself on my back.

So, throw the dog a bone, and simply agree with the NFL world that Heitmann is a good player. It will do good for your mental health. Or continue to believe the world is flat.

Cheers.

You must mean it was an "obstacle illusion."

(I know, I know, he meant "optical".)

What's with all the scatological references lately? "Fat guy with gas"; "kicking the crap out of someone"; big giant turd with fluffy pink whipped cream and colorful sprinkles on it"; "I'm not blowing ________ out of my a$$". Dude, if you're not regular, try eating a bran muffin or something.

No one is arguing that Heitmann is NOT a good football player (well, almost no one), so stop beating your chest and get off the soapbox, we get it. Some are simply pointing out that he has some areas of weakness that should be addressed. Surely you can agree with that.

What he doesn't understand is that we all know he is the best lineman we have.
But thats not really saying much.

Martz throws compliments like there is no tomorrow
Martz words mean nothing now, especially since he says Sims was playing well before injury.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
If God himself came down from heaven, and declared Heitmann to be a good football player, there would still be some people on this board who would deny it was God that appeared. "It was just an obtacle illusion, or a mirage".

At least one local beat writer, Barrows, has said in the past couple weeks, that Heitmann is having a good year. Now, the OC is saying he is not only having a good year, but should be a Pro-Bowl candidate.

Come on, skeptics. Give it up!
Count it as a loss and move on.
I feel like we are doing "Lelie: Part 3" here.

Trust me, I'm not an idiot at this thing.

I called Nolan to be gone before last season, and Singletary to take over.
I stated that JTO would be benched when about half the board thought he would throw for 4,000 yards. I was going down in flames with that one...until about week 5, when the wheels began to fall off.
I stated that Lelie would be cut. OOOHHH, that was a toughy.
I stated that Sopoaga would be average, at best, not a raging star, as many board member thought, with the move to LDE. Remember the board members who thought he would collect 10 sacks this year?
I stated that A. Brooks would not be a star, or even a productive player on this team.
I stated the Niners would be 6-10 at the beginning of the year.
I stated the Niners would be 2-6 at the bye.
I stated that the Niners would not have a top 10, nor top 15 defense. We rank 23rd.
I stated that the Niners would not have a top 10, nor top 15 offense. We rank 26th.
I stated Nolan would be fired. I will say I thought it would happen at the end of the year, or at the break. The Niners beat me to the punch.
And I stated that Heitmann was a good football player.

And this is just a starter list. I'm sure some are looking through the archives now to verify. Please do so. Trust me, whenever I am wrong, people jump out of the woods with clubs. That's fine, I am wrong from time to time.

However, I'm batting about .999 this season, so I am not blowing ________ out of my a$$ when I make an assessment. And, yes, right now I'm patting myself on my back.

So, throw the dog a bone, and simply agree with the NFL world that Heitmann is a good player. It will do good for your mental health. Or continue to believe the world is flat.

Cheers.

theres was a quote this week from martz saying that heitmann is the best center he has EVER had in his 17 years in the nfl. interesting..
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Originally posted by BurritoSmuggler:
theres was a quote this week from martz saying that heitmann is the best center he has EVER had in his 17 years in the nfl. interesting..

it's all BS
just like JTO being the best player he's ever coached
Originally posted by WildTurkey:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
If God himself came down from heaven, and declared Heitmann to be a good football player, there would still be some people on this board who would deny it was God that appeared. "It was just an obtacle illusion, or a mirage".

At least one local beat writer, Barrows, has said in the past couple weeks, that Heitmann is having a good year. Now, the OC is saying he is not only having a good year, but should be a Pro-Bowl candidate.

Come on, skeptics. Give it up!
Count it as a loss and move on.
I feel like we are doing "Lelie: Part 3" here.

Trust me, I'm not an idiot at this thing.

I called Nolan to be gone before last season, and Singletary to take over.
I stated that JTO would be benched when about half the board thought he would throw for 4,000 yards. I was going down in flames with that one...until about week 5, when the wheels began to fall off.
I stated that Lelie would be cut. OOOHHH, that was a toughy.
I stated that Sopoaga would be average, at best, not a raging star, as many board member thought, with the move to LDE. Remember the board members who thought he would collect 10 sacks this year?
I stated that A. Brooks would not be a star, or even a productive player on this team.
I stated the Niners would be 6-10 at the beginning of the year.
I stated the Niners would be 2-6 at the bye.
I stated that the Niners would not have a top 10, nor top 15 defense. We rank 23rd.
I stated that the Niners would not have a top 10, nor top 15 offense. We rank 26th.
I stated Nolan would be fired. I will say I thought it would happen at the end of the year, or at the break. The Niners beat me to the punch.
And I stated that Heitmann was a good football player.

And this is just a starter list. I'm sure some are looking through the archives now to verify. Please do so. Trust me, whenever I am wrong, people jump out of the woods with clubs. That's fine, I am wrong from time to time.

However, I'm batting about .999 this season, so I am not blowing ________ out of my a$$ when I make an assessment. And, yes, right now I'm patting myself on my back.

So, throw the dog a bone, and simply agree with the NFL world that Heitmann is a good player. It will do good for your mental health. Or continue to believe the world is flat.

Cheers.

You must mean it was an "obstacle illusion."

(I know, I know, he meant "optical".)

What's with all the scatological references lately? "Fat guy with gas"; "kicking the crap out of someone"; big giant turd with fluffy pink whipped cream and colorful sprinkles on it"; "I'm not blowing ________ out of my a$$". Dude, if you're not regular, try eating a bran muffin or something.

No one is arguing that Heitmann is NOT a good football player (well, almost no one), so stop beating your chest and get off the soapbox, we get it. Some are simply pointing out that he has some areas of weakness that should be addressed. Surely you can agree with that.

What he doesn't understand is that we all know he is the best lineman we have.
But thats not really saying much.

Originally posted by WildTurkey:
FYI this argument isn't whether Heitmann is the best lineman we have. It is whether he is good or not.

Originally posted by WildTurkey:
It just proves what we already know, that our OL sucks. Heitmann included.
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
If God himself came down from heaven, and declared Heitmann to be a good football player, there would still be some people on this board who would deny it was God that appeared. "It was just an obtacle illusion, or a mirage".

At least one local beat writer, Barrows, has said in the past couple weeks, that Heitmann is having a good year. Now, the OC is saying he is not only having a good year, but should be a Pro-Bowl candidate.

Come on, skeptics. Give it up!
Count it as a loss and move on.
I feel like we are doing "Lelie: Part 3" here.

Trust me, I'm not an idiot at this thing.

I called Nolan to be gone before last season, and Singletary to take over.
I stated that JTO would be benched when about half the board thought he would throw for 4,000 yards. I was going down in flames with that one...until about week 5, when the wheels began to fall off.
I stated that Lelie would be cut. OOOHHH, that was a toughy.
I stated that Sopoaga would be average, at best, not a raging star, as many board member thought, with the move to LDE. Remember the board members who thought he would collect 10 sacks this year?
I stated that A. Brooks would not be a star, or even a productive player on this team.
I stated the Niners would be 6-10 at the beginning of the year.
I stated the Niners would be 2-6 at the bye.
I stated that the Niners would not have a top 10, nor top 15 defense. We rank 23rd.
I stated that the Niners would not have a top 10, nor top 15 offense. We rank 26th.
I stated Nolan would be fired. I will say I thought it would happen at the end of the year, or at the break. The Niners beat me to the punch.
And I stated that Heitmann was a good football player.

And this is just a starter list. I'm sure some are looking through the archives now to verify. Please do so. Trust me, whenever I am wrong, people jump out of the woods with clubs. That's fine, I am wrong from time to time.

However, I'm batting about .999 this season, so I am not blowing ________ out of my a$$ when I make an assessment. And, yes, right now I'm patting myself on my back.

So, throw the dog a bone, and simply agree with the NFL world that Heitmann is a good player. It will do good for your mental health. Or continue to believe the world is flat.

Cheers.

You must mean it was an "obstacle illusion."

(I know, I know, he meant "optical".)

What's with all the scatological references lately? "Fat guy with gas"; "kicking the crap out of someone"; big giant turd with fluffy pink whipped cream and colorful sprinkles on it"; "I'm not blowing ________ out of my a$$". Dude, if you're not regular, try eating a bran muffin or something.

No one is arguing that Heitmann is NOT a good football player (well, almost no one), so stop beating your chest and get off the soapbox, we get it. Some are simply pointing out that he has some areas of weakness that should be addressed. Surely you can agree with that.

Thank you for spell-checking me. I'm so drained, I'm beginning to create new vocabulary words. I don't even know what an obtacle is? Is it an obstacle that can be seen?

There is no doubt that Heitmann's greatest weakness is generating a big push at the goal line. He is best suited for a Denver Broncos zone blocking scheme, being able to play with space, etc. However, there are very few centers in the NFL that are talented in drive blocking NT's off the ball. Teams really rely upon their guards to shoulder a ton of weight, as usually there are defenders in both gaps for the center to work with. Since the Niners have been playing with sub-par guards this season, the higher rate of failure in short yardage situations has been more obvious.

Part of the problem is that the Niners continue to be oblivious to counter what defenses are doing to them in these short yardage situations. Teams are loading the box on these plays, and there just isn't anywhere much to go. Wragge or Snyder was talking about this a couple of weeks ago, and Martz made the same statement recently. The Niners need to spread these teams out, instead of loading a third TE along the line.

So, it isn't all Heitmann's fault near the goal line, it is a collective team problem. However, the board wrath seems to always fall on Heitmann, which is not terribly fair.

I am the first to admit when he missed a play, but the guy is still a very good player, and continues to grade out well weekly. People need to watch his performance week-in, week-out against the other centers in the league. I go to a sports bar, and sit between 7 TV's, and I watch these other guys. Trust me, Heitmann is smart, quick, smooth, and a good player.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
If God himself came down from heaven, and declared Heitmann to be a good football player, there would still be some people on this board who would deny it was God that appeared. "It was just an obtacle illusion, or a mirage".

At least one local beat writer, Barrows, has said in the past couple weeks, that Heitmann is having a good year. Now, the OC is saying he is not only having a good year, but should be a Pro-Bowl candidate.

Come on, skeptics. Give it up!
Count it as a loss and move on.
I feel like we are doing "Lelie: Part 3" here.

Trust me, I'm not an idiot at this thing.

I called Nolan to be gone before last season, and Singletary to take over.
I stated that JTO would be benched when about half the board thought he would throw for 4,000 yards. I was going down in flames with that one...until about week 5, when the wheels began to fall off.
I stated that Lelie would be cut. OOOHHH, that was a toughy.
I stated that Sopoaga would be average, at best, not a raging star, as many board member thought, with the move to LDE. Remember the board members who thought he would collect 10 sacks this year?
I stated that A. Brooks would not be a star, or even a productive player on this team.
I stated the Niners would be 6-10 at the beginning of the year.
I stated the Niners would be 2-6 at the bye.
I stated that the Niners would not have a top 10, nor top 15 defense. We rank 23rd.
I stated that the Niners would not have a top 10, nor top 15 offense. We rank 26th.
I stated Nolan would be fired. I will say I thought it would happen at the end of the year, or at the break. The Niners beat me to the punch.
And I stated that Heitmann was a good football player.

And this is just a starter list. I'm sure some are looking through the archives now to verify. Please do so. Trust me, whenever I am wrong, people jump out of the woods with clubs. That's fine, I am wrong from time to time.

However, I'm batting about .999 this season, so I am not blowing ________ out of my a$$ when I make an assessment. And, yes, right now I'm patting myself on my back.

So, throw the dog a bone, and simply agree with the NFL world that Heitmann is a good player. It will do good for your mental health. Or continue to believe the world is flat.

Cheers.

You must mean it was an "obstacle illusion."

(I know, I know, he meant "optical".)

What's with all the scatological references lately? "Fat guy with gas"; "kicking the crap out of someone"; big giant turd with fluffy pink whipped cream and colorful sprinkles on it"; "I'm not blowing ________ out of my a$$". Dude, if you're not regular, try eating a bran muffin or something.

No one is arguing that Heitmann is NOT a good football player (well, almost no one), so stop beating your chest and get off the soapbox, we get it. Some are simply pointing out that he has some areas of weakness that should be addressed. Surely you can agree with that.

Thank you for spell-checking me. I'm so drained, I'm beginning to create new vocabulary words. I don't even know what an obtacle is? Is it an obstacle that can be seen?

There is no doubt that Heitmann's greatest weakness is generating a big push at the goal line. He is best suited for a Denver Broncos zone blocking scheme, being able to play with space, etc. However, there are very few centers in the NFL that are talented in drive blocking NT's off the ball. Teams really rely upon their guards to shoulder a ton of weight, as usually there are defenders in both gaps for the center to work with. Since the Niners have been playing with sub-par guards this season, the higher rate of failure in short yardage situations has been more obvious.

Part of the problem is that the Niners continue to be oblivious to counter what defenses are doing to them in these short yardage situations. Teams are loading the box on these plays, and there just isn't anywhere much to go. Wragge or Snyder was talking about this a couple of weeks ago, and Martz made the same statement recently. The Niners need to spread these teams out, instead of loading a third TE along the line.

So, it isn't all Heitmann's fault near the goal line, it is a collective team problem. However, the board wrath seems to always fall on Heitmann, which is not terribly fair.

I am the first to admit when he missed a play, but the guy is still a very good player, and continues to grade out well weekly. People need to watch his performance week-in, week-out against the other centers in the league. I go to a sports bar, and sit between 7 TV's, and I watch these other guys. Trust me, Heitmann is smart, quick, smooth, and a good player.

I'm just guessing, but wouldn't an "obtacle" more likely be an obstacle that cannot be seen? That's the beauty of a made-up word, I suppose, it can mean whatever you want it to mean.

Like many others on this board, I focus, from time to time, on the play of the o-line, and specifically on Heitmann. I am like many other posters above, you do not have to convince me that he's a good football player. He also makes mistakes and fails to execute sometimes, but nobody's perfect, and he is clearly the most experienced lineman we've got, at present. That alone says something about the wisdom of letting Smiley go without attempting to resign him.

I think Martz' statement is just PR by a very saavy NFL OC. He should spend as much time game planning for those goal line situations. IMHO.

Thanks to your efforts here, every member of the board will undoubtedly be focusing in on Heitmann's every play for the rest of the season, particularly at the goal line. I will be rooting for him to succeed, but like other posters, I will not ignore his faults or his missteps, should they occur.

Nice to see you are willing to concede that Heitmann has his weaknesses, and that you agree, his greatest weakness is in generating a big push at the goal line. Kinda what everyone's been arguing to you, isn't it?
Here is Martz's opinion on this thread. He must read the zone ;)

Martz also was gushing about center Eric Heitmann. Martz has singled out Heitmann all season, but today he went a step further calling him "by far" the best center he's had in the 17 years he's been coaching in the NFL. He also said that Heitmann warranted a spot in the Pro Bowl. The 49ers' center will need a Pro Bowl-caliber performance Sunday. He'll be matched against Jets NT Kris Jenkins, a player some believe is deserving of the defensive MVP award this season
Originally posted by stever:
He'll be matched against Jets NT Kris Jenkins, a player some believe is deserving of the defensive MVP award this season



The most exciting matchup on Sunday. This should be fun.
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Originally posted by 09etihW:
Originally posted by stever:
He'll be matched against Jets NT Kris Jenkins, a player some believe is deserving of the defensive MVP award this season



The most exciting matchup on Sunday. This should be fun.

Jenkins looks like a gorilla in that pose.
Originally posted by TheJokinAzn:
Originally posted by 09etihW:
Originally posted by stever:
He'll be matched against Jets NT Kris Jenkins, a player some believe is deserving of the defensive MVP award this season



The most exciting matchup on Sunday. This should be fun.

Jenkins looks like a gorilla in that pose.


Jenkins wears the same number as kwami lol

This thread is gettin close to as long as the keasey thread
Lmao
hope Heitman handles this dude! Open some holes for mr frank gore! He could get his 1000yds this game!
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