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Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by 09etihW:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
So, you tell me: What is Heitmann's responsibility on the play? He is obviously matched up against the linebacker, number 59, before the snap. He's got blitz pick-up responsibilities.

As number 59 does not blitz, but backs into coverage, Heitmann as he is backpedaling, gives his attention to one side of the field, the one that was most vulnerable, with a rookie (who Singeltary singled out for poor play in the game before) and a right tackle who was beaten repeatedly in this game. I'd probably focus more attention there, as well.

So, why is Heitmann responsible for this sack, against a man he is not matched up against? He can't run back and forth between both sides of the line. He can't assist on both sides of the field.

Do you want to him to run down the field and make a catch as well, maybe serve a drink to the lady in the third row at the same time? Shine a shoe or two, scrub the toilet, and deliver a bucket of popcorn to the fat guy with gas on the aisle.

The problem in this play is Baas and Staley, not Heitmann. It could even be Hill's, since 81 is wide open on a quick hit before 59 drops into coverage. I cannot tell the depth of the safeties, so I do know about this for sure.

However, as we know, Heitmann is the cause of global warming, the disintegration of the tropical rain forests, and genocide in Darfur. And in one board member's mind, a 35% grade for the game. Great analysis.
Baas has proven to be unreliable in blitz pickups as well as stunts, now add a rookie at RT and a guard playing out of position at RT and you have a recipe for frustration.

Baas, a 2nd round pick, took 3 YEARS to get into the starting lineup. All the writers went as far as prudence would allow in saying that Baas just isn't bright enough to "get it." Now we are seeing what that means on the field. With both guards struggling to learn the game, it is only reasonable to assume the center is going to be torn between responsiblities that no amount of film or field shots will ever show. NONE of us have any idea what the pre-snap directions are but we do know that Heitmann had no trouble with an experienced Larry Allen and Justin Smiley in an established system with a decent OC.

And there you have it. In 2006 the interior of the line was dominant, allowing Gore to rush for over 1600 yards. So, what's different now? A virtual rookie at left guard and a true rookie at right guard. Hmmm...could this be causing problems in the middle of our line?

and now I return to spectator status...

But hey we have a GM that says guards aren't even important and you can find them anywhere. Boy we have a clueless front office
NOW we are getting to the real problem.

BEST POST IN THE THREAD!!

Watching Adrian Peterson run behind Steve Hutchison, the guy who set the bar for guard contracts, I can only imagine what Frank Gore must feel like trying to run behind David Baas or guess which way rookie Chilo Rachal is going to take his man on a sweep. Perhaps there IS a reason why AP is running wild while Gore has little room at all.

The issue will never be resolved for some, but for most, once Baas and Rachal have had a year of PT, it will be resolved. I am a firm believer that the overall problem is simply the inexperience of the entire OL playing together and learning the playing personalities of the teammates are and how they adjust.

There is no more important component of OL play than PT. I remember all the very good OLs the 49ers have had over the years and the one common denominator was the amount of time playing together combined with good coaching. When I compare that to the current group, with their inexperience and the fact Warhop was so bad he was fired in mid-season, I can find no justification whatsoever to blame any one player on the line. This group is young and inexperienced. They make mistakes that young, inexperienced players make. It is all the result of things like signing an injury-prone guy for so much money you can't afford to pay a young talented guy like Justin Smiley market value, hence, you lose two solid players out of the mix and wind up with rookies and guys not playing in their best position.

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. WELCOME TO OUR FAVORITE SANDBOX

And in hindsight, signing and starting Larry Allen was a bad move.
While he was serviceable for two seasons, in the long run it set back our O-Line continuity and cohesion.
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Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by 09etihW:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
So, you tell me: What is Heitmann's responsibility on the play? He is obviously matched up against the linebacker, number 59, before the snap. He's got blitz pick-up responsibilities.

As number 59 does not blitz, but backs into coverage, Heitmann as he is backpedaling, gives his attention to one side of the field, the one that was most vulnerable, with a rookie (who Singeltary singled out for poor play in the game before) and a right tackle who was beaten repeatedly in this game. I'd probably focus more attention there, as well.

So, why is Heitmann responsible for this sack, against a man he is not matched up against? He can't run back and forth between both sides of the line. He can't assist on both sides of the field.

Do you want to him to run down the field and make a catch as well, maybe serve a drink to the lady in the third row at the same time? Shine a shoe or two, scrub the toilet, and deliver a bucket of popcorn to the fat guy with gas on the aisle.

The problem in this play is Baas and Staley, not Heitmann. It could even be Hill's, since 81 is wide open on a quick hit before 59 drops into coverage. I cannot tell the depth of the safeties, so I do know about this for sure.

However, as we know, Heitmann is the cause of global warming, the disintegration of the tropical rain forests, and genocide in Darfur. And in one board member's mind, a 35% grade for the game. Great analysis.
Baas has proven to be unreliable in blitz pickups as well as stunts, now add a rookie at RT and a guard playing out of position at RT and you have a recipe for frustration.

Baas, a 2nd round pick, took 3 YEARS to get into the starting lineup. All the writers went as far as prudence would allow in saying that Baas just isn't bright enough to "get it." Now we are seeing what that means on the field. With both guards struggling to learn the game, it is only reasonable to assume the center is going to be torn between responsiblities that no amount of film or field shots will ever show. NONE of us have any idea what the pre-snap directions are but we do know that Heitmann had no trouble with an experienced Larry Allen and Justin Smiley in an established system with a decent OC.

And there you have it. In 2006 the interior of the line was dominant, allowing Gore to rush for over 1600 yards. So, what's different now? A virtual rookie at left guard and a true rookie at right guard. Hmmm...could this be causing problems in the middle of our line?

and now I return to spectator status...

But hey we have a GM that says guards aren't even important and you can find them anywhere. Boy we have a clueless front office
NOW we are getting to the real problem.

BEST POST IN THE THREAD!!

Watching Adrian Peterson run behind Steve Hutchison, the guy who set the bar for guard contracts, I can only imagine what Frank Gore must feel like trying to run behind David Baas or guess which way rookie Chilo Rachal is going to take his man on a sweep. Perhaps there IS a reason why AP is running wild while Gore has little room at all.

The issue will never be resolved for some, but for most, once Baas and Rachal have had a year of PT, it will be resolved. I am a firm believer that the overall problem is simply the inexperience of the entire OL playing together and learning the playing personalities of the teammates are and how they adjust.

There is no more important component of OL play than PT. I remember all the very good OLs the 49ers have had over the years and the one common denominator was the amount of time playing together combined with good coaching. When I compare that to the current group, with their inexperience and the fact Warhop was so bad he was fired in mid-season, I can find no justification whatsoever to blame any one player on the line. This group is young and inexperienced. They make mistakes that young, inexperienced players make. It is all the result of things like signing an injury-prone guy for so much money you can't afford to pay a young talented guy like Justin Smiley market value, hence, you lose two solid players out of the mix and wind up with rookies and guys not playing in their best position.

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. WELCOME TO OUR FAVORITE SANDBOX

And in hindsight, signing and starting Larry Allen was a bad move.
While he was serviceable for two seasons, in the long run it set back our O-Line continuity and cohesion.
Partial agreement here.

Allen brought some vet savvy to a young group and he did have one good season. Unfortunately, the coaching staff were way out of their level with the rest of the package. I blame as much of this on Warhop as anyone.
http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2008/12/martz-lavishes-praise-on-heitmann.html

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O.C. Mike Martz held his bi-weekly meeting with the media today.
Among the things he said:

--Center Eric Heitmann is having a fantastic season and would be worthy of Pro Bowl recognition if the 49ers had a better record. Martz said in 17 years of coaching in the NFL, Heitmann is the best center he's coached -- "by far."

What makes Heitmann special, Martz said, is his powerful hips and his quick hands. After the snap of the ball, Heitmann is able to get his hands on the nose tackle with astonishing speed.

Heitmann seemed uncomfortable talking about himself when told of Martz's comments. However, he did say he thought he was playing better than he has in past season. (And Heitmann was the 49ers' McKittrick Award winner the past two seasons.)

"Coming off the broken leg, there were some issues with mobility (last year)," Heitmann said. "Now, I've gotten that back."

Maiocco
Originally posted by Bugdiver:
O.C. Mike Martz held his bi-weekly meeting with the media today.
Among the things he said:

--Center Eric Heitmann is having a fantastic season and would be worthy of Pro Bowl recognition if the 49ers had a better record. Martz said in 17 years of coaching in the NFL, Heitmann is the best center he's coached -- "by far."

What makes Heitmann special, Martz said, is his powerful hips and his quick hands. After the snap of the ball, Heitmann is able to get his hands on the nose tackle with astonishing speed.

Heitmann seemed uncomfortable talking about himself when told of Martz's comments. However, he did say he thought he was playing better than he has in past season. (And Heitmann was the 49ers' McKittrick Award winner the past two seasons.)

"Coming off the broken leg, there were some issues with mobility (last year)," Heitmann said. "Now, I've gotten that back."

Maiocco

beat you by two minutes
Well he is certainly better than I

[ Edited by GolittaCamper on Dec 4, 2008 at 13:03:15 ]
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Originally posted by Vrabbit:
Originally posted by Bugdiver:
O.C. Mike Martz held his bi-weekly meeting with the media today.
Among the things he said:

--Center Eric Heitmann is having a fantastic season and would be worthy of Pro Bowl recognition if the 49ers had a better record. Martz said in 17 years of coaching in the NFL, Heitmann is the best center he's coached -- "by far."

What makes Heitmann special, Martz said, is his powerful hips and his quick hands. After the snap of the ball, Heitmann is able to get his hands on the nose tackle with astonishing speed.

Heitmann seemed uncomfortable talking about himself when told of Martz's comments. However, he did say he thought he was playing better than he has in past season. (And Heitmann was the 49ers' McKittrick Award winner the past two seasons.)

"Coming off the broken leg, there were some issues with mobility (last year)," Heitmann said. "Now, I've gotten that back."

Maiocco

beat you by two minutes

Damn, mine looks prettier though
Originally posted by Vrabbit:
Originally posted by Bugdiver:
O.C. Mike Martz held his bi-weekly meeting with the media today.
Among the things he said:

--Center Eric Heitmann is having a fantastic season and would be worthy of Pro Bowl recognition if the 49ers had a better record. Martz said in 17 years of coaching in the NFL, Heitmann is the best center he's coached -- "by far."

What makes Heitmann special, Martz said, is his powerful hips and his quick hands. After the snap of the ball, Heitmann is able to get his hands on the nose tackle with astonishing speed.

Heitmann seemed uncomfortable talking about himself when told of Martz's comments. However, he did say he thought he was playing better than he has in past season. (And Heitmann was the 49ers' McKittrick Award winner the past two seasons.)

"Coming off the broken leg, there were some issues with mobility (last year)," Heitmann said. "Now, I've gotten that back."

Maiocco

beat you by two minutes

Rabbits are faster than bugdivers? Who knew.
Originally posted by Bugdiver:
O.C. Mike Martz held his bi-weekly meeting with the media today.
Among the things he said:

--Center Eric Heitmann is having a fantastic season and would be worthy of Pro Bowl recognition if the 49ers had a better record. Martz said in 17 years of coaching in the NFL, Heitmann is the best center he's coached -- "by far."

What makes Heitmann special, Martz said, is his powerful hips and his quick hands. After the snap of the ball, Heitmann is able to get his hands on the nose tackle with astonishing speed.

Heitmann seemed uncomfortable talking about himself when told of Martz's comments. However, he did say he thought he was playing better than he has in past season. (And Heitmann was the 49ers' McKittrick Award winner the past two seasons.)

"Coming off the broken leg, there were some issues with mobility (last year)," Heitmann said. "Now, I've gotten that back."

Maiocco

Heittman is solid all around but he hurts us in one key area, short yardage.

And when has Martz ever said anything bad about a player? He lost credibility with his approvals a long time ago.

Centers and Guards are so difficult to judge but there is one key aspect of the game that really shows how good they are and that's run blocking. So far, we rarely get yards between the Center and the Guards.
Originally posted by Bugdiver:
Originally posted by Vrabbit:
Originally posted by Bugdiver:
O.C. Mike Martz held his bi-weekly meeting with the media today.
Among the things he said:

--Center Eric Heitmann is having a fantastic season and would be worthy of Pro Bowl recognition if the 49ers had a better record. Martz said in 17 years of coaching in the NFL, Heitmann is the best center he's coached -- "by far."

What makes Heitmann special, Martz said, is his powerful hips and his quick hands. After the snap of the ball, Heitmann is able to get his hands on the nose tackle with astonishing speed.

Heitmann seemed uncomfortable talking about himself when told of Martz's comments. However, he did say he thought he was playing better than he has in past season. (And Heitmann was the 49ers' McKittrick Award winner the past two seasons.)

"Coming off the broken leg, there were some issues with mobility (last year)," Heitmann said. "Now, I've gotten that back."

Maiocco

beat you by two minutes

Damn, mine looks prettier though

yeah but you broke the rules, we're not supposed to post entire articles, we're supposed to link to them





















I was just thinking what a graet thread this is, so possitive in an otherwise negitive season, thank you Eric Heitmen for not sucking
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Originally posted by Vrabbit:
Originally posted by Bugdiver:
Originally posted by Vrabbit:
Originally posted by Bugdiver:
O.C. Mike Martz held his bi-weekly meeting with the media today.
Among the things he said:

--Center Eric Heitmann is having a fantastic season and would be worthy of Pro Bowl recognition if the 49ers had a better record. Martz said in 17 years of coaching in the NFL, Heitmann is the best center he's coached -- "by far."

What makes Heitmann special, Martz said, is his powerful hips and his quick hands. After the snap of the ball, Heitmann is able to get his hands on the nose tackle with astonishing speed.

Heitmann seemed uncomfortable talking about himself when told of Martz's comments. However, he did say he thought he was playing better than he has in past season. (And Heitmann was the 49ers' McKittrick Award winner the past two seasons.)

"Coming off the broken leg, there were some issues with mobility (last year)," Heitmann said. "Now, I've gotten that back."

Maiocco

beat you by two minutes

Damn, mine looks prettier though

yeah but you broke the rules, we're not supposed to post entire articles, we're supposed to link to them






















Not the entire article. Matt said "MORE TO COME". OK, now it's the entire article.

Matrz says Heitmann is best center he's ever worked with

maddog knows his s**t...except for one HUGE exception in the 2007 draft
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Originally posted by BamBam49er:
Matrz says Heitmann is best center he's ever worked with

maddog knows his s**t...except for one HUGE exception in the 2007 draft

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