Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
"What could the 49ers get for Lance?" Tim Kawakami asked in a recent feature for The Athletic. "In this scenario, I think they'd likely take a conditional fourth-round pick (based on 2023 playing time) in a blink. If I'm a QB-needy team without Super Bowl-or-bust pressures, I'd make that trade."

Deal

We'd be better off keeping him and starting him if Purdy goes down. 1-2 solid regular season games from Trey and we could get a 2nd or conditional 1st. He's just gotta show it when it counts.

But if he is QB3, how likely will be get a start?

If you say based on our QB injury history, QB3 will likely start, then the question would be, is Allen a better QB than Trey, should we keep Allen as QB3? Can we afford to lose Allen?

People who hate Trey are really taking their shots right now. Must feel nice

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
If we drafted everyone's favorite prospect Macaroni Jones, we could have least confidently shipped out JG and saved money. His production was near identical to Jimmy's in 21 as a rookie, in a worse situation, and came at a fraction of the cost. Is his theoretical ceiling as high as Lance's or Fields'… maybe not… but we could have worked with his floor and he also has potential to get better. Everyone wants a Lamar Jackson runner with Drew Brees passing, but we at least want a point guard to get the ball out to all the stars we have. That ability was all over the fat man's tape.

Or we work with the guy we currently have who has higher physical upside than Mac at a fraction of Macs cost.

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
It's simple, they moved up and then over analyzed the prospects causing them to lose sight of the concrete indicators. Paralysis from over analysis. Which made them fall in love with Lance and the what could be and ignore the rest.

if we grabbed JF…. I'm pretty sure the end result would have been the same just on an another time scale. The only QB that is impressive is Trevor and we couldn't get him.

If we drafted everyone's favorite prospect Macaroni Jones, we could have least confidently shipped out JG and saved money. His production was near identical to Jimmy's in 21 as a rookie, in a worse situation, and came at a fraction of the cost. Is his theoretical ceiling as high as Lance's or Fields'… maybe not… but we could have worked with his floor and he also has potential to get better. Everyone wants a Lamar Jackson runner with Drew Brees passing, but we at least want a point guard to get the ball out to all the stars we have. That ability was all over the fat man's tape.

I think it's time to recalculate Treys theoretical ceiling

You're welcome.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Maybe the plan is to let Lance develop like Rodgers did behind Favre.

Rodgers started in his 4th season, so Trey has just this season to learn from the Real Deal. Or does Trey start year 1 this season?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
If we drafted everyone's favorite prospect Macaroni Jones, we could have least confidently shipped out JG and saved money. His production was near identical to Jimmy's in 21 as a rookie, in a worse situation, and came at a fraction of the cost. Is his theoretical ceiling as high as Lance's or Fields'… maybe not… but we could have worked with his floor and he also has potential to get better. Everyone wants a Lamar Jackson runner with Drew Brees passing, but we at least want a point guard to get the ball out to all the stars we have. That ability was all over the fat man's tape.

I find myself agreeing with a lot of things that you post.

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
It's simple, they moved up and then over analyzed the prospects causing them to lose sight of the concrete indicators. Paralysis from over analysis. Which made them fall in love with Lance and the what could be and ignore the rest.

if we grabbed JF…. I'm pretty sure the end result would have been the same just on an another time scale. The only QB that is impressive is Trevor and we couldn't get him.

If we drafted everyone's favorite prospect Macaroni Jones, we could have least confidently shipped out JG and saved money. His production was near identical to Jimmy's in 21 as a rookie, in a worse situation, and came at a fraction of the cost. Is his theoretical ceiling as high as Lance's or Fields'… maybe not… but we could have worked with his floor and he also has potential to get better. Everyone wants a Lamar Jackson runner with Drew Brees passing, but we at least want a point guard to get the ball out to all the stars we have. That ability was all over the fat man's tape.

I think it's time to recalculate Treys theoretical ceiling

You're welcome.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
It's simple, they moved up and then over analyzed the prospects causing them to lose sight of the concrete indicators. Paralysis from over analysis. Which made them fall in love with Lance and the what could be and ignore the rest.

if we grabbed JF…. I'm pretty sure the end result would have been the same just on an another time scale. The only QB that is impressive is Trevor and we couldn't get him.

If we drafted everyone's favorite prospect Macaroni Jones, we could have least confidently shipped out JG and saved money. His production was near identical to Jimmy's in 21 as a rookie, in a worse situation, and came at a fraction of the cost. Is his theoretical ceiling as high as Lance's or Fields'… maybe not… but we could have worked with his floor and he also has potential to get better. Everyone wants a Lamar Jackson runner with Drew Brees passing, but we at least want a point guard to get the ball out to all the stars we have. That ability was all over the fat man's tape.

I think mac would of done better here than in NE. Better weapons, more offensive friendly development and coaches. He went from having a pretty good rookie year to crap his second year because belichick made a horrendous decision with his coaching staff last year. Made a dramatic change from a system that worked for him to a complete inept offensive coaching.

I don't think mac would of been great here or anything but we definitely would of got more out of the trade. I like Brock's upside more than Macs though. So we will see how this whole thing pans out.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Or we work with the guy we currently have who has higher physical upside than Mac at a fraction of Macs cost.

I'm all aboard the Purdy train, but this wasn't a choice presented to us in the '21 draft.

Hypothetically, I'm taking Purdy over Fields, Jones, or Lance and not looking back.

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
"What could the 49ers get for Lance?" Tim Kawakami asked in a recent feature for The Athletic. "In this scenario, I think they'd likely take a conditional fourth-round pick (based on 2023 playing time) in a blink. If I'm a QB-needy team without Super Bowl-or-bust pressures, I'd make that trade."

Deal

We'd be better off keeping him and starting him if Purdy goes down. 1-2 solid regular season games from Trey and we could get a 2nd or conditional 1st. He's just gotta show it when it counts.

But if he is QB3, how likely will be get a start?

If you say based on our QB injury history, QB3 will likely start, then the question would be, is Allen a better QB than Trey, should we keep Allen as QB3? Can we afford to lose Allen?

People who hate Trey are really taking their shots right now. Must feel nice

In a fair competition, I don't think Trey would beat Allen. You can disagree, but I don't think there was anything outrageous with what I said.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
Maybe the plan is to let Lance develop like Rodgers did behind Favre.

Rodgers started in his 4th season, so Trey has just this season to learn from the Real Deal. Or does Trey start year 1 this season?

Seeing as how we gave lances the keys to the franchise in year 2, definitely wasn't the plan. It's really been his injuries that have hurt him though. His first two years resulted in essentially 0 game reps and minimal off season improvement. This is his first off season of improvement.

I'd really like to understand what he did in the off season between year 1 & 2. He had to know his finger was messed up - it sounds like he just tried to build his mechanics around the injured finger, instead of fix the finger and build them up right. I've never really seen a good explanation of the work he did in year 1-2. That's hurt his growth a lot too. Up until the last 6 months, Lance was nearly identical to the player we drafted 2 years ago.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've followed this ream since the YA Tittle days. I remember the controversy about trading him to the Giants so they could go with Brodie. I remember the people that wanted Billy Kilmer over Brodie. Then we had the Joe vs. Steve controversy. Then it was Alex vs Kap. This team has been blessed with talented QBs over the years so there has always been controversy. Many teams have a QB controversy but may this team has had more than most.

The current situation may be the most unusual and the worst situation this team has ever had. Most of the time it's about a proven vet vs the young gun. In our case we have a 7 game starter vs a 4 game starter vs a talented but under achieving (so far) former 1st rounder.

The Niners drafted Trey knowing he needed a lot of work but they had JG for at least another year. It turned out to be 2 more but unfortunately he got hurt again. Then Trey steps in and gets hurt. The next year Trey starts and breaks his ankle so JG steps in. Naturally he gets hurt again. Along comes a 7th round pick who plays well in his 7 starts until he gets hurt.

So here we are. A talented team that can contend for the SB but the QB situation is crazy. Their baking on the 7th rounder who had off season surgery staying healthy and being as successful as he was last year. At the same time they know the guy they gave up so much to draft needs experience. If Brock gets hurt it's probably Darnold stepping in at this point so where does Trey get that game action experience? It's a bad situation for the team and Trey because if he can't get the reps then he will be a wasted draft pick that cost them 2 firsts in addition to his pick. This wasn't what they envisioned but it sure hasn't worked out so far.

Trey was always a project coming into the NFL. Nobody knew how big a project because of the unforeseen injuries *and* the known lack of football experience. The team is lucky with being able to discover Brock Purdy. ShanaLynch have used that good fortune to develop the QB bench further by letting go an often-injured QB in Jimmy and adding two QBs (Sam and Allen) that have the talent to be QB2/QB3 in addition to Trey and Brock. QB1 is Brock, that's a given. The QB2 story is yet to be written. With Brock the Superbowl window is open here and now. Trey only matters if Brock is hurt.

Assuming Trey is QB3 is still preliminary. A lot of things are going on with the Sam vs Trey battle in camp. Disagree with the folks that say Trey isn't improving and that him successfully throwing against a Raider Prevent Defense is not improvement. Trey was hitting deep shots against the Raider Prevent Defense that's supposed to prevent the deep shots, so I don't agree with that assessment. Keep in mind that Kyle has been wonderful in developing offensive talent. Aiyuk, Deebo, Mitchell, finding Purdy, Bourne, Brieda, etc... Kyle's had great success in the past with other QB's he's worked with and previously drafted, so I'm confident that as long as Kyle sticks with Trey, Trey is going to be fine. Trey might not have the college reps that Brock, Sam, and other have had, but he's still a young guy and he's still getting reps in practice against one of the elite defenses in the NFL, and not against Alabama or Ohio State. Practice Reps are still Reps, even though it's not actual game reps - if Trey really has the desire to improve - he'll use these practice reps the way Purdy did to get better. Again, key here is Trey improving. Is he or isn't he? We'll all find out more in the next Denver game. The fact that it cost three number 1 picks to get Trey is irrelevant to now and can't be reversed anyway - it's done. What is important, moving forward into the 2023 NFL season is Kyle getting all the QB's including Trey to be the best they can be for the 2023 NFL season.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
I think it's time to recalculate Treys theoretical ceiling

I just don't believe in that concept really at all. All of those guys ceilings is great QB, just in different ways. More 'tools' just gives you more ways to do it… and a lot of times those tools are overstated or misevaluated.

Sure, but his tools like arm strength and mobility haven't proven to meet the hype. So recalculating those adjusts the ceiling.

honestly Purdy has more escapability than Lance, more pocket awareness, and I'd to hard to convince that Trey has a better intermediate and deep ball.

Originally posted by krizay:
I find myself agreeing with a lot of things that you post.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I'm all aboard the Purdy train, but this wasn't a choice presented to us in the '21 draft.

Hypothetically, I'm taking Purdy over Fields, Jones, or Lance and not looking back.

I still dont buy he would've beat Jimmy out. I also don't think the team would've dealt Jimmy simply because I think they let their personal feelings cloud their judgment of his value. John and Kyle need work on being more like Walsh in that regard.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
It's simple, they moved up and then over analyzed the prospects causing them to lose sight of the concrete indicators. Paralysis from over analysis. Which made them fall in love with Lance and the what could be and ignore the rest.

if we grabbed JF…. I'm pretty sure the end result would have been the same just on an another time scale. The only QB that is impressive is Trevor and we couldn't get him.

If we drafted everyone's favorite prospect Macaroni Jones, we could have least confidently shipped out JG and saved money. His production was near identical to Jimmy's in 21 as a rookie, in a worse situation, and came at a fraction of the cost. Is his theoretical ceiling as high as Lance's or Fields'… maybe not… but we could have worked with his floor and he also has potential to get better. Everyone wants a Lamar Jackson runner with Drew Brees passing, but we at least want a point guard to get the ball out to all the stars we have. That ability was all over the fat man's tape.

I think it's time to recalculate Treys theoretical ceiling

You're welcome.