Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:
I believe he's talking about Charliesheen hahaha

Regarding Brock's injury, I listened to an interview earlier with the doctor that performed mullens and had numerous discussions with Purdy personally said that Brock should come back exactly the same. I posted it in the Brock thread earlier. He essentially said it's not a matter of If but when.

obviously stuff can happen and we still need to see, it's a valid concern. Just hoping that brings you a little comfort in his recovery.

Hard to not be concerned until we see it for ourselves.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Krizay has posts saying Lance will be a bust, not as extreme obviously as rivers, but it's still not the same as NY saying show me more.

And I don't fully agree with NY. I think Purdy looked the part of a QB that can be top 5. My biggest concern is how his this injury affects him and how he heals.

And who the hell is Chuck lol

Chuck is short for Charlie.

The claim was that NY would support Brock more than K, CS, or River, would ever support Lance.

Everyone has different biases or preferences in trying to project QBs. Krizay and CS may think Lance can't become a great QB because of x,y, or z and NY may think Brock's ceiling is limited because of a,b, and c. The problem I see with the claim is that there isn't anything to suggest Krizay or CS would doubt tangible success from Lance on the basis of those biases and we've seen exactly that from NY with Purdy (in addition to more reasonable arguments, like the success coming in a small sample).

I could be wrong, and if Lance gets playing time and has a stretch of good/great games, we'll see.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I believe he's talking about Charliesheen hahaha

Regarding Brock's injury, I listened to an interview earlier with the doctor that performed mullens and had numerous discussions with Purdy personally said that Brock should come back exactly the same. I posted it in the Brock thread earlier. He essentially said it's not a matter of If but when.

obviously stuff can happen and we still need to see, it's a valid concern. Just hoping that brings you a little comfort in his recovery.

didn't see that post, praise God BCB back the same

Passing tranny. SMFH

Originally posted by krizay:
My coworker is from Philly. Obviously a huge Eagles fan. I told him the same thing. It's not the loss that passes me off. It's not seeing Brock in that environment. Even if this happens in the 3rd quarter for crying out loud.

To me, he played EXACTLY how we want Trey to play. We seen it for 8 games. So to me, Trey has waaaaay further to go to do what you're saying you're not sure Brock can do. The only thing Trey would add over Brock IF he gets to Brock's level is... throwing on run without resetting and QB sneaks. That to me is just adding truffles to your pasta.

I completely agree, I'm honestly not taking anything away from how Brock played, but Kyle was on fire scheming wide open looks, and the D was lights out, there was never any pressure to where Brock HAD to do it, would have liked to have seen it.

I also agree that if Trey played like Brock did everyone would be crowning him.

Trey has an even bigger task to get to Brock's level though, because he has a way to go to get there like you said, but Brock is likely to get better! He's more likely to hit his first reads more often and get even more comfortable in the offense. I've got a lot of faith in Trey, which is more down to his work ethic than his tools, but I just don't think we're ever going to find out, it is with good reason, but I'd have preferred us being able to ease Brock in for around week 4, and just see where Trey was but it doesn't sound like that'll happen, my bet is Brock starts week 1.

Preaseason and camp is rightly not going to be enough for Trey to overtake him and he's pretty much said so himself.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by krizay:
My coworker is from Philly. Obviously a huge Eagles fan. I told him the same thing. It's not the loss that passes me off. It's not seeing Brock in that environment. Even if this happens in the 3rd quarter for crying out loud.

To me, he played EXACTLY how we want Trey to play. We seen it for 8 games. So to me, Trey has waaaaay further to go to do what you're saying you're not sure Brock can do. The only thing Trey would add over Brock IF he gets to Brock's level is... throwing on run without resetting and QB sneaks. That to me is just adding truffles to your pasta.

I completely agree, I'm honestly not taking anything away from how Brock played, but Kyle was on fire scheming wide open looks, and the D was lights out, there was never any pressure to where Brock HAD to do it, would have liked to have seen it.

I also agree that if Trey played like Brock did everyone would be crowning him.

Trey has an even bigger task to get to Brock's level though, because he has a way to go to get there like you said, but Brock is likely to get better! He's more likely to hit his first reads more often and get even more comfortable in the offense. I've got a lot of faith in Trey, which is more down to his work ethic than his tools, but I just don't think we're ever going to find out, it is with good reason, but I'd have preferred us being able to ease Brock in for around week 4, and just see where Trey was but it doesn't sound like that'll happen, my bet is Brock starts week 1.

Preaseason and camp is rightly not going to be enough for Trey to overtake him and he's pretty much said so himself.

I'd argue that the Raiders game was put on his shoulders and he came through. The defense was Swiss cheese that game and Brock/the offense had to carry the game. I agree that Kyle was doing a great job play calling/scheming but Brock did an awesome job executing.

im not expecting for Trey to overtake Purdy in camp. I'm just hoping Trey shows improvement and stays healthy. If that happens, he will work himself onto the field in at least those trick packages that he saw in his rookie year - except maybe this time he will throw more in them.

if Trey can have a really good camp and show growth, he will put pressure on Purdy and can shorten his leash. He also can put himself in a prime position to start if Brock gets hurt.

i think without a doubt some would be crowning Lance if he played the way Brock did. I also think it would be fair. Lol I don't think there is anything wrong with crowning a year player after playing at a very high level and winning all their games. It's one thing to Play like Pickett did last season and win some games and then it's another to play like Purdy did and win all his games. Purdy didn't do it alone but he also was a huge contributor. I know I'd be all over Lance if he did what Purdy did.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'd argue that the Raiders game was put on his shoulders and he came through. The defense was Swiss cheese that game and Brock/the offense had to carry the game. I agree that Kyle was doing a great job play calling/scheming but Brock did an awesome job executing.

im not expecting for Trey to overtake Purdy in camp. I'm just hoping Trey shows improvement and stays healthy. If that happens, he will work himself onto the field in at least those trick packages that he saw in his rookie year - except maybe this time he will throw more in them.

if Trey can have a really good camp and show growth, he will put pressure on Purdy and can shorten his leash. He also can put himself in a prime position to start if Brock gets hurt.

i think without a doubt some would be crowning Lance if he played the way Brock did. I also think it would be fair. Lol I don't think there is anything wrong with crowning a year player after playing at a very high level and winning all their games. It's one thing to Play like Pickett did last season and win some games and then it's another to play like Purdy did and win all his games. Purdy didn't do it alone but he also was a huge contributor. I know I'd be all over Lance if he did what Purdy did.

You see that with the Quarter and a half of the Texans game already. Now imagine it being over the course of 7 games.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
100%

He also had mediocre offensive coaching throughout his whole tenure.

so, does that matter now?

Context matters to all QBs except Trey Lance... we've been through this.

TL has had unreal offensive coaching his entire pro career imo, do you disagree?

"His entire pro career" is a funny way to say "three games", do you disagree?

😆😆

Why are these guys here campaigning?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'd argue that the Raiders game was put on his shoulders and he came through. The defense was Swiss cheese that game and Brock/the offense had to carry the game. I agree that Kyle was doing a great job play calling/scheming but Brock did an awesome job executing.

im not expecting for Trey to overtake Purdy in camp. I'm just hoping Trey shows improvement and stays healthy. If that happens, he will work himself onto the field in at least those trick packages that he saw in his rookie year - except maybe this time he will throw more in them.

if Trey can have a really good camp and show growth, he will put pressure on Purdy and can shorten his leash. He also can put himself in a prime position to start if Brock gets hurt.

i think without a doubt some would be crowning Lance if he played the way Brock did. I also think it would be fair. Lol I don't think there is anything wrong with crowning a year player after playing at a very high level and winning all their games. It's one thing to Play like Pickett did last season and win some games and then it's another to play like Purdy did and win all his games. Purdy didn't do it alone but he also was a huge contributor. I know I'd be all over Lance if he did what Purdy did.

You see that with the Quarter and a half of the Texans game already. Now imagine it being over the course of 7 games.

This is one thing you guys seem to struggle with...nobody is crowning Lance. Simply pointing out that saying he's a bust or can't improve after 4 starts in various situations is absolutely bonkers.

And yes the Houston game gives us arguably the best look at Lance for several reasons you guys love to throw aside because it's against Houston.

1. It was a must win game for us. We lose that game and we don't make the playoffs in 2021.
2. It was the one start he had with Kittle, Aiyuk when he wasn't in the doghouse and basically the wealth of weapons at his disposal.
3. It wasn't in crazy conditions
4. It was a game later in the season when the team was in a groove vs earlier in the season where we've struggled the last few seasons.

Also downplaying that game to "quarter and a half" is just pathetic when arguably his best passes came before the end of the first half.

But that's the trend here with Lance - if you're not a fan you're going to downplay everything he's done well and exaggerate the things he didn't do well.

Originally posted by genus49:
This is one thing you guys seem to struggle with...nobody is crowning Lance. Simply pointing out that saying he's a bust or can't improve after 4 starts in various situations is absolutely bonkers.

And yes the Houston game gives us arguably the best look at Lance for several reasons you guys love to throw aside because it's against Houston.

1. It was a must win game for us. We lose that game and we don't make the playoffs in 2021.
2. It was the one start he had with Kittle, Aiyuk when he wasn't in the doghouse and basically the wealth of weapons at his disposal.
3. It wasn't in crazy conditions
4. It was a game later in the season when the team was in a groove vs earlier in the season where we've struggled the last few seasons.

Also downplaying that game to "quarter and a half" is just pathetic when arguably his best passes came before the end of the first half.

But that's the trend here with Lance - if you're not a fan you're going to downplay everything he's done well and exaggerate the things he didn't do well.

Speaking of struggling with.... You say it's the best look at Lance because it was the best Lance looked. You did exactly what I was saying. You only use the HOU game. No one uses any other game but that one. Just like the Cowboys game is the only game people want to talk about as it relates to Brock. Posters use Trey's best game and Brock's worst game.

I personally don't dismiss it just because it was HOU. It's teh fact that We had 3 points in the middle of the 3rd QTR. Feel free to up his accomplishments from a quarter and a half to just a little over a half if you like. The point is, that offense didn't click til way into the game. right before the half or middle of the 3rd quarter is there really that big of a difference? I mean the monsoon was only for half a quarter and we are using that for a whole game so...

This thread is difficult to read sometimes. It seems like some people think Trey is a bust though its difficult to support this conclusion given the injuries and small sample size, while others diminish Purdy as lacking high level talent and pointing to the small sample size. The two things that I come back to in this back and forth is that (1) if Trey played the exact same as Purdy in Trey's rookie year, meaning everything was identical, everyone in this forum would be heralding Trey as the franchise quarterback of the future, and (2) the only way Trey will get a chance to prove he can be the guy will require he beat out Darnold (I sure hope he can, and if he can't, he certainly is a bust) and for Purdy to either have a set back preventing him from starting week 1 or be injured during the season. If you listen to Shanny, he speaks about Purdy in a manner that he has not spoken about any other 49ers QB. Purdy is the guy. Trey would have to blow his opportunity away assuming he is able to get on the field. Purdy did all of the things we wished Trey would have done when he came in and played his rookie year. But Trey didn't - as Shanny pointed out - despite having very nice things to say about Trey as well. Blaming lesser talent or injuries doesn't change the fact that we watched Brock absolutely ball out and we have never watched Trey ball out. The 49ers were one of the best offenses in the nfl by most statistical categories when Purdy took over if I am not mistaken. I hope Trey shows major improvement at the very least to dangel him as potential trade bate, but absent injury to Purdy Trey is not going to see the field this year.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
This is one thing you guys seem to struggle with...nobody is crowning Lance. Simply pointing out that saying he's a bust or can't improve after 4 starts in various situations is absolutely bonkers.

And yes the Houston game gives us arguably the best look at Lance for several reasons you guys love to throw aside because it's against Houston.

1. It was a must win game for us. We lose that game and we don't make the playoffs in 2021.
2. It was the one start he had with Kittle, Aiyuk when he wasn't in the doghouse and basically the wealth of weapons at his disposal.
3. It wasn't in crazy conditions
4. It was a game later in the season when the team was in a groove vs earlier in the season where we've struggled the last few seasons.

Also downplaying that game to "quarter and a half" is just pathetic when arguably his best passes came before the end of the first half.

But that's the trend here with Lance - if you're not a fan you're going to downplay everything he's done well and exaggerate the things he didn't do well.

Speaking of struggling with.... You say it's the best look at Lance because it was the best Lance looked. You did exactly what I was saying. You only use the HOU game. No one uses any other game but that one. Just like the Cowboys game is the only game people want to talk about as it relates to Brock. Posters use Trey's best game and Brock's worst game.

I personally don't dismiss it just because it was HOU. It's teh fact that We had 3 points in the middle of the 3rd QTR. Feel free to up his accomplishments from a quarter and a half to just a little over a half if you like. The point is, that offense didn't click til way into the game. right before the half or middle of the 3rd quarter is there really that big of a difference? I mean the monsoon was only for half a quarter and we are using that for a whole game so...

to piggyback here, as a reply to genus, i've posted 1000x that TL isn't a definitive bust yet and he can improve.. so we are in agreement here. I don't like what I see to this point, a few things I do, however he is young and can take big strides this summer imo.

i feel a lot of ppl in here play the 'you all think he's a bust' card, and very few are actually of that opinion

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
to piggyback here, as a reply to genus, i've posted 1000x that TL isn't a definitive bust yet and he can improve.. so we are in agreement here. I don't like what I see to this point, a few things I do, however he is young and can take big strides this summer imo.

i feel a lot of ppl in here play the 'you all think he's a bust' card, and very few are actually of that opinion

Agreed

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
This is one thing you guys seem to struggle with...nobody is crowning Lance. Simply pointing out that saying he's a bust or can't improve after 4 starts in various situations is absolutely bonkers.

And yes the Houston game gives us arguably the best look at Lance for several reasons you guys love to throw aside because it's against Houston.

1. It was a must win game for us. We lose that game and we don't make the playoffs in 2021.
2. It was the one start he had with Kittle, Aiyuk when he wasn't in the doghouse and basically the wealth of weapons at his disposal.
3. It wasn't in crazy conditions
4. It was a game later in the season when the team was in a groove vs earlier in the season where we've struggled the last few seasons.

Also downplaying that game to "quarter and a half" is just pathetic when arguably his best passes came before the end of the first half.

But that's the trend here with Lance - if you're not a fan you're going to downplay everything he's done well and exaggerate the things he didn't do well.

Speaking of struggling with.... You say it's the best look at Lance because it was the best Lance looked. You did exactly what I was saying. You only use the HOU game. No one uses any other game but that one. Just like the Cowboys game is the only game people want to talk about as it relates to Brock. Posters use Trey's best game and Brock's worst game.

I personally don't dismiss it just because it was HOU. It's teh fact that We had 3 points in the middle of the 3rd QTR. Feel free to up his accomplishments from a quarter and a half to just a little over a half if you like. The point is, that offense didn't click til way into the game. right before the half or middle of the 3rd quarter is there really that big of a difference? I mean the monsoon was only for half a quarter and we are using that for a whole game so...

Yeah, I'm not struggling with anything. Lol I've watched, and rewatched, lances college and few nfl games multiple times. Specifically in an effort to try and understand why some think he's flashed superstar potential. I've said multiple times that I think he belongs in the league and will be a really solid qb in this league. Just to clarify - I think he can be like a dak prescott.

I should also say, as I've said before, I don't want a good or really good qb. I want one of the next HOF players who are truly special. I want someone in the Rodgers/Montana/Brady/Manning/Brees caliber. Anything less, no thank you.

if Lance/Brock can be one of those guys, great. if not, we should make do with what we have but keep looking.

i want a perennial top 5 QB.

it isn't a matter of if I think Lance can be a good qb or make a couple pro bowls. That's all nonsense to me. I want a top caliber guy. Future HOF player.

how do we get one? No idea. It's obviously difficult. Lol anything less to me is just dabbling in mediocrity and false hope to become a team who truly competes annually, and actually wins. I don't want to be like the eagles have for the last 25 years where they've had great rosters and made multiple NFC and Super Bowls, only to lose. They got lucky once in that time span. That isn't very fun as a fan. I want what we had in the 80-90 and what the patriots had with Brady or the colts with manning. Even though the colts only won one, they were truly in contention every year for a long time. Same with the saints etc I want what the chiefs currently have.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, I'm not struggling with anything. Lol I've watched, and rewatched, lances college and few nfl games multiple times. Specifically in an effort to try and understand why some think he's flashed superstar potential. I've said multiple times that I think he belongs in the league and will be a really solid qb in this league. Just to clarify - I think he can be like a dak prescott.

I should also say, as I've said before, I don't want a good or really good qb. I want one of the next HOF players who are truly special. I want someone in the Rodgers/Montana/Brady/Manning/Brees caliber. Anything less, no thank you.

if Lance/Brock can be one of those guys, great. if not, we should make do with what we have but keep looking.

i want a perennial top 5 QB.

it isn't a matter of if I think Lance can be a good qb or make a couple pro bowls. That's all nonsense to me. I want a top caliber guy. Future HOF player.

how do we get one? No idea. It's obviously difficult. Lol anything less to me is just dabbling in mediocrity and false hope to become a team who truly competes annually, and actually wins.

this is a good post

my hope here, KS has built the O in such a way, we don't need Mahomes or Josh Allen, just distribute to these off the charts playmakers, let the D worry about how to handle Deebo, CMC in space, or how to stick with BA one on one, then you got Kittle doing his thing, the stress of a KS run game with Juice, Trent. Good luck to the defenses on our schedule, you're gonna need it, no matter who the QB is.