Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by GorefullBore:
This may not be a popular opinion, but Trey seems like a good guy, with some leadership skills, and a solid work ethic. I will always root for him to be successful, even if it ultimately ends up not being here. This in no way a knock on Brock he also has my full support, and I also want to see him be the best he can be. If he is completely healthy it is the right move to give him the inside track at QB1, and it's up Trey to develop to change that. I think if both were to develop, it would only be a good thing for the organization. I just refuse to pick a side as I see it as one team. As for who starts? I'm good with leaving that to John and Kyle. Okay, I'll get off the soapbox now lol.

I'm no way a knock on Brock, who has also shown he's a good dude, strong work ethic, and great leadership. On top of all that, has shown great play coming off the bench with limited reps. He's still young and scratching the surface.

best case scenario, if Purdy not 100% at season start, Lance comes in guns blazing and makes it a difficult decision for Kyle. Then we would have two very good QBs to weather any injury down the road.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

notice the no Kittle, no CMC comments..
plus our OL is playing for the first time.. with HOF Trent btw
and again the infamous weather..

ppl can decide for themselves if this is anything worth discussing many months later or if it's just excuses for why we lost to a 3-14 team that earned pick #1
if JF can win with Pettis, EQ ST Brown, TL can win with Deebo, Trent, BA and put it in the endzone.. but he's got to improve

Dude. Your reading comprehension is painfully bad, or you are being intentionally obtuse.

That list is not a list of reasons/excuses why the 49ers lost. It is not a list of reasons why Trey didnt have a good game. It is literally just a factual list of differences between week 1 and the games Purdy played in. Period.

Stop changing the conversation or turning this into something it isnt.

You make it sound like Shanahan, Deebo, Aiyuk, Trent freaking Williams, Juice are all a group of chumps..

are they as good as the same with CMC / Kittle.. obviously no, that doesn't even need said, if that's your point..

you can't explain away the dif of how TL looked and how Brock looked through supporting cast.. that ignores how robotic TL was looking and how smooth BP was looking, that's not 100% on CMC, recall Baker played with CMC and got fired for example.

No I am not. YOU are doing that in your head.

You are making me want to stop engaging with you on this board. Its ridiculous that you are even arguing at this point. Literally all I said was the circumstances around Trey's week 1 start was vastly different than the circumstances Brock faced (and listed the circumstances). Why cant you just move along? You are literally creating an argument in your head, and arguing against facts.

if your point is the offense is better than CMC what kind of point is that.. that doesn't need said
my point stands that if you want to talk vast talent differences.. I saw one week 1, and TL had the talent around him, JF didn't.. we legit cut Pettis from our roster, ST Brown cut as well

what I hear is a lot of reasons for why BP did well and TL didn't and I don't buy it.. I will say of course we are better with CMC, but if JF can win with cut receivers no one wants vs the #1 D; then Deebo, BA, Shanahan, Trent are all filet mignon compared to what Fields had to work with..

I see 49er fans all around me disregarding our talent; for example I was laughed at when I called our tackles bookend tackles, meanwhile in the real NFL, Trent is going to Canton, and McG just got paid $87.5 million. We aren't a bad roster, even without CMC we are very very good. Bears would have traded talent with us in a heartbeat, and try imaging for a second TL with no Deebo, no BA, no Trent, no Shanny and EQ St Brown and Pettis.

Will you just stop? The conversation I was having had absolutely nothing to do with Fields and the Bears. Just stop. You are arguing with no one. This entire reply of yours is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Completely.

lol you mentioned week 1
you mentioned playing on the road in the rain

Yes. And for the 12th time, we were talking about Lance in week one compared to Purdy. Is this really that difficult a concept for you to grasp?

Comparing Lance to Purdy on the field is pretty lobsided at this point. One has been widely successful while the other has not.

You got me. This is the one post of the 15 I made trying to explain to Faithful what we were actually talking about where I didnt elaborate. The conversation was about the circumstances and supporting cast that Trey had in week 1 versus Purdy down the stretch. It wasnt a comparison of the two QBs. But all you would have had to do was read past that one specific post to see that, which you clearly didnt.

No one is going to sift through the garbage here to try to find referenced post.

LOL its all right here quoted in the post. And even if it wasnt, its generally a good idea to know what the conversation is about before you feel the need to insert yourself into it.

He literally said he was comparing Purdy to Lance.

Dude just stop. You are trying to play gatekeeper of this thread and you (admittedly) didnt read all of the discussion.

Moving on.

I guess I am not familiar with the sides you guys have drawn up and chosen for yourselves.

Here we go again. You complain about people not talking about football and talking about posters, and you go on about this.

You want to know what "side" I am on? I am on the side of being able to back up your opinion with consistent arguments. I am on the side of not contradicting yourself regularly. I am on the side of not flip flopping one day to the next. I am on the side of the 49ers. I am on the side of not making definitive statements about someone when you limited sample sizes to judge on.

Hope that clears it up for you.

So, which side is that?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Here we go again. You complain about people not talking about football and talking about posters, and you go on about this.

You want to know what "side" I am on? I am on the side of being able to back up your opinion with consistent arguments. I am on the side of not contradicting yourself regularly. I am on the side of not flip flopping one day to the next. I am on the side of the 49ers. I am on the side of not making definitive statements about someone when you limited sample sizes to judge on.

Hope that clears it up for you.

Same side I'm on.

Ditto

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Hoov meme game is better

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
What are the sides here and which are you on?

I am not a joiner so I am not much for sides.

I'm on the side that's all about having some objective QB conversations. I want some nuances discussions.

not every single pass from Lance was horrible. Not every pass from Brock was amazing…same with Jimmy for years. Let's talk about it.

I'm not team anyone. I just don't believe you can make a legit evaluation off 100 passing attempts (or 170 passing attempts). With Jimmy we had years of starts to have a fair gauge of what he is. I don't buy the narrative that you can't develop a QB on a great roster. I believe you can win games all the same.

what I can't stand is the "side" that was so pro-Jimmy that criticism wasn't allowed…after years of play. I can't value a posters opinions/takes when there's zero consistency when talking about QB play.

Originally posted by tankle104:
You know, a great situation for Trey, If he was hypothetically traded - would be the ravens.

the team is set up for a team with a similar skill set as his (no one is as great of a runner as Jackson). They have a great coaching staff too. Would be a good situation for him to go to.

plus they could get him for relatively cheap, in comparison to lamar, with the ability to see him for a year before they have to execute his fifth year option.

Yeah they're just flush with offensive talent/play makers lol.

Only way I'm trading lance is if Lamar is coming here

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm on the side that's all about having some objective QB conversations. I want some nuances discussions.

not every single pass from Lance was horrible. Not every pass from Brock was amazing…same with Jimmy for years. Let's talk about it.

I'm not team anyone. I just don't believe you can make a legit evaluation off 100 passing attempts (or 170 passing attempts). With Jimmy we had years of starts to have a fair gauge of what he is. I don't buy the narrative that you can't develop a QB on a great roster. I believe you can win games all the same.

what I can't stand is the "side" that was so pro-Jimmy that criticism wasn't allowed…after years of play. I can't value a posters opinions/takes when there's zero consistency when talking about QB play.

If Trey wins game without the offense scoring a TD I don't buy for one second he'll get a pass. Nor should he.

Originally posted by tankle104:
As someone who negotiates deals for a living, the most rational thing I can derive from the things Lynch said today - is that lance will be traded - or at least they're trying to if they can get what they want to.

otherwise, it really makes no sense. Why would you come out and say a recovering player from a rare surgery is QB1? Why would you say it's a competition and include darnold? We all know that's a joke (darnold can win the starting job).

he essentially said "we like lance and are prepared to keep him but show me your best offer".
I didn't think he would be traded but the more I'm looking into and read into the post June 1 trade/cut rules for the salary cap - that makes the most sense to me.

If I am correct, I hope lance goes to a good situation to help him continue to develop somewhere.

It actually makes sense if you watch the tape. I wouldn't read much more into that. Lynch is just saying what everyone here's agreed on, that if Purdy was healthy he'd be QB1.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
You know, a great situation for Trey, If he was hypothetically traded - would be the ravens.

the team is set up for a team with a similar skill set as his (no one is as great of a runner as Jackson). They have a great coaching staff too. Would be a good situation for him to go to.

plus they could get him for relatively cheap, in comparison to lamar, with the ability to see him for a year before they have to execute his fifth year option.

Yeah they're just flush with offensive talent/play makers lol.

Only way I'm trading lance is if Lamar is coming here

They're not horrible. It's still a good and well coached team. They could still upgrade the WR room.

i don't want Lamar. I don't like QBs who depend on running to be decent at throwing, they typically don't last long either. He's a special player but not the kind of qb I prefer.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by tankle104:
As someone who negotiates deals for a living, the most rational thing I can derive from the things Lynch said today - is that lance will be traded - or at least they're trying to if they can get what they want to.

otherwise, it really makes no sense. Why would you come out and say a recovering player from a rare surgery is QB1? Why would you say it's a competition and include darnold? We all know that's a joke (darnold can win the starting job).

he essentially said "we like lance and are prepared to keep him but show me your best offer".
I didn't think he would be traded but the more I'm looking into and read into the post June 1 trade/cut rules for the salary cap - that makes the most sense to me.

If I am correct, I hope lance goes to a good situation to help him continue to develop somewhere.

It actually makes sense if you watch the tape. I wouldn't read much more into that. Lynch is just saying what everyone here's agreed on, that if Purdy was healthy he'd be QB1.

The other angle could be, maybe they're noticing Trey put a lot of pressure on himself to be a leader in the locker room. So by saying Purdy is the leader, all Trey has to do is focus on football. Kinda the same thing they did with him his rookie year. Not sure though.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

notice the no Kittle, no CMC comments..
plus our OL is playing for the first time.. with HOF Trent btw
and again the infamous weather..

ppl can decide for themselves if this is anything worth discussing many months later or if it's just excuses for why we lost to a 3-14 team that earned pick #1
if JF can win with Pettis, EQ ST Brown, TL can win with Deebo, Trent, BA and put it in the endzone.. but he's got to improve

Dude. Your reading comprehension is painfully bad, or you are being intentionally obtuse.

That list is not a list of reasons/excuses why the 49ers lost. It is not a list of reasons why Trey didnt have a good game. It is literally just a factual list of differences between week 1 and the games Purdy played in. Period.

Stop changing the conversation or turning this into something it isnt.

You make it sound like Shanahan, Deebo, Aiyuk, Trent freaking Williams, Juice are all a group of chumps..

are they as good as the same with CMC / Kittle.. obviously no, that doesn't even need said, if that's your point..

you can't explain away the dif of how TL looked and how Brock looked through supporting cast.. that ignores how robotic TL was looking and how smooth BP was looking, that's not 100% on CMC, recall Baker played with CMC and got fired for example.

No I am not. YOU are doing that in your head.

You are making me want to stop engaging with you on this board. Its ridiculous that you are even arguing at this point. Literally all I said was the circumstances around Trey's week 1 start was vastly different than the circumstances Brock faced (and listed the circumstances). Why cant you just move along? You are literally creating an argument in your head, and arguing against facts.

if your point is the offense is better than CMC what kind of point is that.. that doesn't need said
my point stands that if you want to talk vast talent differences.. I saw one week 1, and TL had the talent around him, JF didn't.. we legit cut Pettis from our roster, ST Brown cut as well

what I hear is a lot of reasons for why BP did well and TL didn't and I don't buy it.. I will say of course we are better with CMC, but if JF can win with cut receivers no one wants vs the #1 D; then Deebo, BA, Shanahan, Trent are all filet mignon compared to what Fields had to work with..

I see 49er fans all around me disregarding our talent; for example I was laughed at when I called our tackles bookend tackles, meanwhile in the real NFL, Trent is going to Canton, and McG just got paid $87.5 million. We aren't a bad roster, even without CMC we are very very good. Bears would have traded talent with us in a heartbeat, and try imaging for a second TL with no Deebo, no BA, no Trent, no Shanny and EQ St Brown and Pettis.

Will you just stop? The conversation I was having had absolutely nothing to do with Fields and the Bears. Just stop. You are arguing with no one. This entire reply of yours is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Completely.

lol you mentioned week 1
you mentioned playing on the road in the rain

Yes. And for the 12th time, we were talking about Lance in week one compared to Purdy. Is this really that difficult a concept for you to grasp?

Comparing Lance to Purdy on the field is pretty lobsided at this point. One has been widely successful while the other has not.

You got me. This is the one post of the 15 I made trying to explain to Faithful what we were actually talking about where I didnt elaborate. The conversation was about the circumstances and supporting cast that Trey had in week 1 versus Purdy down the stretch. It wasnt a comparison of the two QBs. But all you would have had to do was read past that one specific post to see that, which you clearly didnt.

No one is going to sift through the garbage here to try to find referenced post.

LOL its all right here quoted in the post. And even if it wasnt, its generally a good idea to know what the conversation is about before you feel the need to insert yourself into it.

He literally said he was comparing Purdy to Lance.

Dude just stop. You are trying to play gatekeeper of this thread and you (admittedly) didnt read all of the discussion.

Moving on.

I guess I am not familiar with the sides you guys have drawn up and chosen for yourselves.

Here we go again. You complain about people not talking about football and talking about posters, and you go on about this.

You want to know what "side" I am on? I am on the side of being able to back up your opinion with consistent arguments. I am on the side of not contradicting yourself regularly. I am on the side of not flip flopping one day to the next. I am on the side of the 49ers. I am on the side of not making definitive statements about someone when you limited sample sizes to judge on.

Hope that clears it up for you.

NY has brought up They and We repeatedly and there have been multiple references to Sides.

I am assuming this is in reference to Trey or Brock fans, similar to the s**tshow we saw here with Alex and Kap.

Then maybe you should be asking him and not me.

But if you want my opinion, this whole Brock vs. Lance thing is not happening at all. It is not even close to the Alex vs. Kap debates. This time, its more of a "lets give Lance more time" vs. "Lance is a bust" debate. I havent seen much of anyone (if at all) say that Lance should be the starter if Brock is ready. I feel like almost everyone is either all in on Brock or cautiously optimistic. I havent seen anyone be anti-Brock like posters have been with other QBs.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by tankle104:
As someone who negotiates deals for a living, the most rational thing I can derive from the things Lynch said today - is that lance will be traded - or at least they're trying to if they can get what they want to.

otherwise, it really makes no sense. Why would you come out and say a recovering player from a rare surgery is QB1? Why would you say it's a competition and include darnold? We all know that's a joke (darnold can win the starting job).

he essentially said "we like lance and are prepared to keep him but show me your best offer".
I didn't think he would be traded but the more I'm looking into and read into the post June 1 trade/cut rules for the salary cap - that makes the most sense to me.

If I am correct, I hope lance goes to a good situation to help him continue to develop somewhere.

It actually makes sense if you watch the tape. I wouldn't read much more into that. Lynch is just saying what everyone here's agreed on, that if Purdy was healthy he'd be QB1.

Hmm I disagree - these guys don't go up there and start talking off the hip. They're prepped for it and know what they'll be asked (for the most part) so their responses are crafted a head of time.

our front office is very strategic. He put it in simple terms but said a lot more when you read between the lines, in my opinion.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by tankle104:
As someone who negotiates deals for a living, the most rational thing I can derive from the things Lynch said today - is that lance will be traded - or at least they're trying to if they can get what they want to.

otherwise, it really makes no sense. Why would you come out and say a recovering player from a rare surgery is QB1? Why would you say it's a competition and include darnold? We all know that's a joke (darnold can win the starting job).

he essentially said "we like lance and are prepared to keep him but show me your best offer".
I didn't think he would be traded but the more I'm looking into and read into the post June 1 trade/cut rules for the salary cap - that makes the most sense to me.

If I am correct, I hope lance goes to a good situation to help him continue to develop somewhere.

It actually makes sense if you watch the tape. I wouldn't read much more into that. Lynch is just saying what everyone here's agreed on, that if Purdy was healthy he'd be QB1.

The other angle could be, maybe they're noticing Trey put a lot of pressure on himself to be a leader in the locker room. So by saying Purdy is the leader, all Trey has to do is focus on football. Kinda the same thing they did with him his rookie year. Not sure though.

That's one angle.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
LMAO

Yeah Brock losing Deebo in the middle of a game that was already a blowout is the same thing as:

-No Kittle
-Jeff Wilson Jr. instead of Christian Mccaffrey
-60% of the OL playing for the first time
-playing in the rain on the road
-week 1

Yeah, totally even.

notice the no Kittle, no CMC comments..
plus our OL is playing for the first time.. with HOF Trent btw
and again the infamous weather..

ppl can decide for themselves if this is anything worth discussing many months later or if it's just excuses for why we lost to a 3-14 team that earned pick #1
if JF can win with Pettis, EQ ST Brown, TL can win with Deebo, Trent, BA and put it in the endzone.. but he's got to improve

Dude. Your reading comprehension is painfully bad, or you are being intentionally obtuse.

That list is not a list of reasons/excuses why the 49ers lost. It is not a list of reasons why Trey didnt have a good game. It is literally just a factual list of differences between week 1 and the games Purdy played in. Period.

Stop changing the conversation or turning this into something it isnt.

You make it sound like Shanahan, Deebo, Aiyuk, Trent freaking Williams, Juice are all a group of chumps..

are they as good as the same with CMC / Kittle.. obviously no, that doesn't even need said, if that's your point..

you can't explain away the dif of how TL looked and how Brock looked through supporting cast.. that ignores how robotic TL was looking and how smooth BP was looking, that's not 100% on CMC, recall Baker played with CMC and got fired for example.

No I am not. YOU are doing that in your head.

You are making me want to stop engaging with you on this board. Its ridiculous that you are even arguing at this point. Literally all I said was the circumstances around Trey's week 1 start was vastly different than the circumstances Brock faced (and listed the circumstances). Why cant you just move along? You are literally creating an argument in your head, and arguing against facts.

if your point is the offense is better than CMC what kind of point is that.. that doesn't need said
my point stands that if you want to talk vast talent differences.. I saw one week 1, and TL had the talent around him, JF didn't.. we legit cut Pettis from our roster, ST Brown cut as well

what I hear is a lot of reasons for why BP did well and TL didn't and I don't buy it.. I will say of course we are better with CMC, but if JF can win with cut receivers no one wants vs the #1 D; then Deebo, BA, Shanahan, Trent are all filet mignon compared to what Fields had to work with..

I see 49er fans all around me disregarding our talent; for example I was laughed at when I called our tackles bookend tackles, meanwhile in the real NFL, Trent is going to Canton, and McG just got paid $87.5 million. We aren't a bad roster, even without CMC we are very very good. Bears would have traded talent with us in a heartbeat, and try imaging for a second TL with no Deebo, no BA, no Trent, no Shanny and EQ St Brown and Pettis.

Will you just stop? The conversation I was having had absolutely nothing to do with Fields and the Bears. Just stop. You are arguing with no one. This entire reply of yours is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Completely.

lol you mentioned week 1
you mentioned playing on the road in the rain

Yes. And for the 12th time, we were talking about Lance in week one compared to Purdy. Is this really that difficult a concept for you to grasp?

Comparing Lance to Purdy on the field is pretty lobsided at this point. One has been widely successful while the other has not.

You got me. This is the one post of the 15 I made trying to explain to Faithful what we were actually talking about where I didnt elaborate. The conversation was about the circumstances and supporting cast that Trey had in week 1 versus Purdy down the stretch. It wasnt a comparison of the two QBs. But all you would have had to do was read past that one specific post to see that, which you clearly didnt.

No one is going to sift through the garbage here to try to find referenced post.

LOL its all right here quoted in the post. And even if it wasnt, its generally a good idea to know what the conversation is about before you feel the need to insert yourself into it.

He literally said he was comparing Purdy to Lance.

Dude just stop. You are trying to play gatekeeper of this thread and you (admittedly) didnt read all of the discussion.

Moving on.

I guess I am not familiar with the sides you guys have drawn up and chosen for yourselves.

Here we go again. You complain about people not talking about football and talking about posters, and you go on about this.

You want to know what "side" I am on? I am on the side of being able to back up your opinion with consistent arguments. I am on the side of not contradicting yourself regularly. I am on the side of not flip flopping one day to the next. I am on the side of the 49ers. I am on the side of not making definitive statements about someone when you limited sample sizes to judge on.

Hope that clears it up for you.

So, which side is that?

The side where I want the QB who gives us the best chance to win a SB be our starter. I just cant get behind seeing posters s**t on Lance after 4 starts. Especially those who would make excuses for an 8 year veteran and not give that benefit to the guy who has only made 4 starts.

For the record (again), I am not even saying I think Lance will be good. I am saying its way to early to make ANY definitive statements on him...negative OR positive. I love what I have seen from Brock so far. But even with the success he has had, I think even with him its far too early to make any definitive statements on him.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Hoov meme game is better