Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Nothing should be taken from 5 quarters of football.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Does this trigger you for some reason? You may have been one of the guys claiming Minshew was better than Hurts and would be starting by Week 8 perhaps. I had to listen to that for much of the offseason..

I can admit I have no crystal ball on QBs. For example, I thought TL could perhaps have a Mahomes type year 2 thanks to our system, players around him, and his abilities which they saw enough to invest the three ones. I got that one very wrong.

You got it wrong because of an injury not his play.

Well I mean Mahomes didn't open 5 qtrs with no TDs.. I think game one he was balling. You think he would have had the Mahomes year if not for the injury?

I expected/hoped for a Hurts like 1st year and 2nd year trajectory from Trey, and still do next year. How many TDs should TL have had playing 5 quarters in a hurricane?

It wasn't 5 qtrs in a hurricane lol and more than 0

Follow up then, in those 5 quarters of torrential downpour, you believe Mahomes would have scored more TDS running the ball between the tackles? Because that's about all Trey did. To make it easier for you, why don't you just pick out the plays Mahomes would have scored on that Lance didn't.

Let's not get silly. It's a results / production business. How you watch a loss to CHI and zero TDs and say it's on Mahomes level is beyond me. As I remember Fields tossed a couple TDs to receivers not worthy of our roster like EQ St Brown (cut from GB) and Pettis (cut from our roster). Not trying to make this a Fields vs TL deal.. just saying that yes TD passes were possible that day.. to say a 'hurricane' prevented any and all TDs is flat false. Heck he had a TD on a platter just didn't hit it. He said it himself postgame.

Just my 2 cents after watching it's clear why we retained JG and why KS said it's gonna be learning on the fly. TL wasn't ready for the year 2 Mahomes leap which was prob unrealistic to begin with.. however it was KS who made the KC development path comparisons so he brought this on himself imo. No reason to think he couldn't have played and improved game to game nonetheless.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:
To be fair to Justin the talent level of his offense pales in comparison to what Kap had vs the Pats that game.

However I do agree with you, you can't say someone is further along as a passer in the NFL when they haven't put that film out there. This is similar to the conversations people were having after the Week 1 game vs Chicago where we heard the "49ers selected the wrong QB" and yet Lance was the better QB in that game as far as NFL level throws. Yes Fields ended up with the W and made the TD throws when our defense blinked and gave him a broken play to take advantage of but you can't make a game plan that relies on the opposing defense creating key penalties on would be 4th down situations and take your TDs only when the defense has broken coverage.

What 49er fans SHOULD be concentrating on isn't that we took the wrong buy but the fact that Fields is DEVELOPING and looks to be getting confidence and improving with more and more time. Same as Tua, same as Jalen Hurts, same as Josh Allen. For the most part these guys need time. Not everyone can come out Mahomes level MVP style. Patience is key. It will pay off.

Hurts is balling like crazy and he looked borderline remedial as a passer early on despite having played at Bama and Oklahoma. It's way too early to write off Lance. The talent is undeniable, it's just a matter of consistency and that can't come without regular snaps.

I felt Hurts looked like a stud from the moment I saw him play his rook year. Not sure what everyone else was watching. Fields not nearly as strong at the drop back game, but he showed flashes vs MIA had a gorgeous pocket TD pass and a 2 pt conversion pass. The trick imho, as he gets tons of confidence with the legs moving chains, making plays, he starts to get more confident at the drop back stuff. If he develops the drop back pass game he's gonna be a star. With the Bears D gutted, they are going be chasing the game each week he will get his chances to drop back make plays.

Sure you did...

Must be nice to pick and choose when you like someone who is clearly limited as a passer to be impressed about.

Does this trigger you for some reason? You may have been one of the guys claiming Minshew was better than Hurts and would be starting by Week 8 perhaps. I had to listen to that for much of the offseason..

I can admit I have no crystal ball on QBs. For example, I thought TL could perhaps have a Mahomes type year 2 thanks to our system, players around him, and his abilities which they saw enough to invest the three ones. I got that one very wrong.

I don't give a sh*t about other team's QB competition so no I didn't care about Hurts or Minshew. However as a rookie and even last year Hurts was not a very good passer. Even Eagle fans were iffy on him AFTER last year, let alone his rookie season.

And if you say you saw flashes out of Hurts that made you think he can be a legit QB then you're being a total hypocrite acting like Trey hasn't shown same type of flashes in limited sample size.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Does this trigger you for some reason? You may have been one of the guys claiming Minshew was better than Hurts and would be starting by Week 8 perhaps. I had to listen to that for much of the offseason..

I can admit I have no crystal ball on QBs. For example, I thought TL could perhaps have a Mahomes type year 2 thanks to our system, players around him, and his abilities which they saw enough to invest the three ones. I got that one very wrong.

You got it wrong because of an injury not his play.

Well I mean Mahomes didn't open 5 qtrs with no TDs.. I think game one he was balling. You think he would have had the Mahomes year if not for the injury?

Mahomes wasn't playing in the conditions that Trey had to play in this season. He wasn't going to have Mahomes like year because Shanahan isn't the type of HC to allow that to happen and our offense wasn't setup for such heavy passing numbers cuz we've got YAC grinders.

However he very well could've had a big time coming out party for himself even if not MVP, record breaking type stuff and his injury prevented any chance of that happening. Making the assumption that he was going to bomb if not for the injury is just as stupid as assuming he was going to be Mahomes level the rest of the way.

We don't need Mahomes level to win games. Hopefully that will be the case next year as well so Trey can go in and get it done.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Does this trigger you for some reason? You may have been one of the guys claiming Minshew was better than Hurts and would be starting by Week 8 perhaps. I had to listen to that for much of the offseason..

I can admit I have no crystal ball on QBs. For example, I thought TL could perhaps have a Mahomes type year 2 thanks to our system, players around him, and his abilities which they saw enough to invest the three ones. I got that one very wrong.

You got it wrong because of an injury not his play.

Well I mean Mahomes didn't open 5 qtrs with no TDs.. I think game one he was balling. You think he would have had the Mahomes year if not for the injury?

I expected/hoped for a Hurts like 1st year and 2nd year trajectory from Trey, and still do next year. How many TDs should TL have had playing 5 quarters in a hurricane?

It wasn't 5 qtrs in a hurricane lol and more than 0

Follow up then, in those 5 quarters of torrential downpour, you believe Mahomes would have scored more TDS running the ball between the tackles? Because that's about all Trey did. To make it easier for you, why don't you just pick out the plays Mahomes would have scored on that Lance didn't.

Let's not get silly. It's a results / production business. How you watch a loss to CHI and zero TDs and say it's on Mahomes level is beyond me. As I remember Fields tossed a couple TDs to receivers not worthy of our roster like EQ St Brown (cut from GB) and Pettis (cut from our roster). Not trying to make this a Fields vs TL deal.. just saying that yes TD passes were possible that day.. to say a 'hurricane' prevented any and all TDs is flat false. Heck he had a TD on a platter just didn't hit it. He said it himself postgame.

Just my 2 cents after watching it's clear why we retained JG and why KS said it's gonna be learning on the fly. TL wasn't ready for the year 2 Mahomes leap which was prob unrealistic to begin with.. however it was KS who made the KC development path comparisons so he brought this on himself imo. No reason to think he couldn't have played and improved game to game nonetheless.

LMFAO! You, sir, were the one that put it on that level by saying Mahomes would have done better. Credibility level is now zero.

Originally posted by genus49:
I don't give a sh*t about other team's QB competition so no I didn't care about Hurts or Minshew. However as a rookie and even last year Hurts was not a very good passer. Even Eagle fans were iffy on him AFTER last year, let alone his rookie season.

And if you say you saw flashes out of Hurts that made you think he can be a legit QB then you're being a total hypocrite acting like Trey hasn't shown same type of flashes in limited sample size.

Different QBs are different and everyone has a different set of eyes, traits they look for in QBs. I don't imagine I will view guys the same as you or anyone or vice versa. I try to remember two ppl can look at the same thing and have different interpretation; see diff things. On Hurts, I notice he has good quickness, strength. He can move around like a Kyler Murray, but is bigger, stronger. TL I have seen some frozen ropes. Where I get a lil concerned on TL is the lack of play time vs Hurts which goes back to even before the NFL, also he isn't near the runner, and my understanding the running is a big reason for the pick. I don't think the running will upgrade game to game it's kinda you have it or you don't type trait. You could see straight away that Hurts can stress teams with his athleticism. I don't see that same thing from TL. Hope this clarifies. I feel we can have dif opinions that's not the end of the world.

I think the question going into next year on TL is do we continue to lean into QB runs, or do we dial that back after year 1 and year 2 injuries?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Well I mean Mahomes didn't open 5 qtrs with no TDs.. I think game one he was balling. You think he would have had the Mahomes year if not for the injury?

Mahomes also didn't open in that level of rain.

I don't know what could've happened had he been healthy.

What I do know is the only way to have sustained success in the NFL is having an elite QB. Figure out if Lance is the guy and if he's not adjust accordingly.

Maybe Purdy is the one. The fact he is being asked to dress every game as QB2 tells me KS trusts him if anything should happen to JG.

Like he trusted CJ Bethard or Brian Hoyer?

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Well I mean Mahomes didn't open 5 qtrs with no TDs.. I think game one he was balling. You think he would have had the Mahomes year if not for the injury?

Mahomes also didn't open in that level of rain.

I don't know what could've happened had he been healthy.

What I do know is the only way to have sustained success in the NFL is having an elite QB. Figure out if Lance is the guy and if he's not adjust accordingly.

Maybe Purdy is the one. The fact he is being asked to dress every game as QB2 tells me KS trusts him if anything should happen to JG.

Like he trusted CJ Bethard or Brian Hoyer?

Lol well.. when you put it that way..

Then I remember CJ was a 3rd and Hoyer was brought in to be QB1.. so yes if Mr Irrelevant is on that level now.. I say that's pretty good for the young man.. onward and upward

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Different QBs are different and everyone has a different set of eyes, traits they look for in QBs. I don't imagine I will view guys the same as you or anyone or vice versa. I try to remember two ppl can look at the same thing and have different interpretation; see diff things. On Hurts, I notice he has good quickness, strength. He can move around like a Kyler Murray, but is bigger, stronger. TL I have seen some frozen ropes. Where I get a lil concerned on TL is the lack of play time vs Hurts which goes back to even before the NFL, also he isn't near the runner, and my understanding the running is a big reason for the pick. I don't think the running will upgrade game to game it's kinda you have it or you don't type trait. You could see straight away that Hurts can stress teams with his athleticism. I don't see that same thing from TL. Hope this clarifies. I feel we can have dif opinions that's not the end of the world.

I think the question going into next year on TL is do we continue to lean into QB runs, or do we dial that back after year 1 and year 2 injuries?

Trey's ability as a runner was one reason for the pick, not the main attribute. Kyle wanted someone who can force defenses to play 11 on 11 football but there's a reason we don't put McCaffrey at QB. He wants someone who can throw the ball.

Lance showed a quick grasp of pro concepts despite the lower level of competition. He showed ability to take care of the football and ironically had no health concerns.

He doesn't need to be as quick or agile as Hurts, Murray, etc to threaten teams with his legs. You can't convince me that Josh Allen is faster than Trey. Trey just needs to adjust to the speed of the NFL and become more decisive when running it.

His big contributions will come when that comfort level gets there. His arm talent and football IQ will be what makes him into a top tier QB if anything. His legs are simply an asset which can be used for schematic advantage and forces the defense to respect his legs. He may not break 20+ yarders on the regular but his legs can get us yards. I just hope next year Kyle draws up less designed runs for him and less read option plays(since the other team is definitely going to play the RB more often) let the kid use his legs when pass plays break down or when defenses play man and create easy gaps for him to run through. Save the designed runs for red zone situations or limited occasions. We have enough talent that Trey shouldn't need to run as much.

Originally posted by genus49:
Trey's ability as a runner was one reason for the pick, not the main attribute. Kyle wanted someone who can force defenses to play 11 on 11 football but there's a reason we don't put McCaffrey at QB. He wants someone who can throw the ball.

Lance showed a quick grasp of pro concepts despite the lower level of competition. He showed ability to take care of the football and ironically had no health concerns.

He doesn't need to be as quick or agile as Hurts, Murray, etc to threaten teams with his legs. You can't convince me that Josh Allen is faster than Trey. Trey just needs to adjust to the speed of the NFL and become more decisive when running it.

His big contributions will come when that comfort level gets there. His arm talent and football IQ will be what makes him into a top tier QB if anything. His legs are simply an asset which can be used for schematic advantage and forces the defense to respect his legs. He may not break 20+ yarders on the regular but his legs can get us yards. I just hope next year Kyle draws up less designed runs for him and less read option plays(since the other team is definitely going to play the RB more often) let the kid use his legs when pass plays break down or when defenses play man and create easy gaps for him to run through. Save the designed runs for red zone situations or limited occasions. We have enough talent that Trey shouldn't need to run as much.

I think Trey should have stayed in school. He is talented no doubt but damn he is just too raw to tell if he is going to be good. The injuries don't help. Mahomes I believe had played a lot of college football at Texas Tech so that probably did help his transition to the NFL. I think I read somewhere that due to covid he only played one full season as a starter since high school. That is NOT how you get better at being a Quarterback. You need in game Reps. Look at Fields who is finally putting it together in year two and he was a multi year starter at Ohio St.

If I had to bet I would say he busts. I could see him becoming good but maybe not till 2025, if we are willing to wait that long. He might end up as a career similar to Alex Smith who took about 4-5 years to really start making strides as a pro. I hope I'm wrong

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

#49ers Trey Lance doesn't have a boot on anymore 🥹

📸: @ShoePalace pic.twitter.com/svY600y0KM

— Alex Tran (@nineralex) November 9, 2022

Get well soon Trey!!!!

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

#49ers Trey Lance doesn't have a boot on anymore 🥹

📸: @ShoePalace pic.twitter.com/svY600y0KM

— Alex Tran (@nineralex) November 9, 2022

Trey + CMC + Deebo package

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by genus49:
Trey's ability as a runner was one reason for the pick, not the main attribute. Kyle wanted someone who can force defenses to play 11 on 11 football but there's a reason we don't put McCaffrey at QB. He wants someone who can throw the ball.

Lance showed a quick grasp of pro concepts despite the lower level of competition. He showed ability to take care of the football and ironically had no health concerns.

He doesn't need to be as quick or agile as Hurts, Murray, etc to threaten teams with his legs. You can't convince me that Josh Allen is faster than Trey. Trey just needs to adjust to the speed of the NFL and become more decisive when running it.

His big contributions will come when that comfort level gets there. His arm talent and football IQ will be what makes him into a top tier QB if anything. His legs are simply an asset which can be used for schematic advantage and forces the defense to respect his legs. He may not break 20+ yarders on the regular but his legs can get us yards. I just hope next year Kyle draws up less designed runs for him and less read option plays(since the other team is definitely going to play the RB more often) let the kid use his legs when pass plays break down or when defenses play man and create easy gaps for him to run through. Save the designed runs for red zone situations or limited occasions. We have enough talent that Trey shouldn't need to run as much.

This here is a good post genus49