Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

I was a fan of Fields' game the most coming out,...but it's irrelevant at this point.

A quick reminder on Fields' #s extrapolated over 17 games.



Solid but not at all spectacular....just yet.

The problem that I think infects almost all of you regarding the young guys is the need to INSTANTLY ANNOINT 1 guy or the other when there's flat out so much room for growth.

Remember when this thread was all about Mac Jones this and Mac Jones that? He's not doing so great lately and so now I guess we now have a new prodigal son we should've taken, right?

And it's all based on how they're doing RIGHT NOW or in their latest game or 2 instead of the growth process they are all individually under. Until Lance has a slew of games under his belt, there's just no point in comparing them right now.

Jones, Fields, and Lawrence all SHOULD BE better than Lance. They've all played heavy minutes and have time to refine what they've seen on film. Lance,...not so much.

So I'd much rather hear why Lance will grow much less as a QB (once he finally gets to play) than Fields will if we're going to compare right now.

Saying who's better right now is pretty futile.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Not to mention it's a horrible comparison. Kap is more of a straight line runner, Fields is a lot more elusive. And Fields is a much more polished passer and further along as a passer in the NFL than Kap was.

This is comically absurd. This is nothing more than rewriting of history based on personal opinions.

My god the bias in Kap is strong in you my friend.

Fields makes all the throws from the pocket and outside the pocket. He's not throw 90mph fastballs every time he drops back to pass.

Give Fields, Jim Harbaugh, Kyle Shanahan or Mike McDaniel. I bet you he'd blow Kaps stats outta the water!!!

Eyeroll at the bolded. You made a claim that Fields is a more polished passer and further along as a passer than Kap ever was. So why is it that Kaepernick has shredded some teams (some very, very good teams at that) with his arms in his 49er career and Fields has not?

Kap shredded the Patriots with his arm IN Foxboro in the snow. Fields has never done that. Kap had a 400 yard, 3 touchdown game in our season opener against the Packers. Fields has never been close to having that type of game. Kap has multiple 300 yard passing games that resulted in wins. Fields has never thrown for 300 yards in a loss.

There is nothing biased about my reply. In no way shape or form is Fields a more polished passer right this second than Kap was in the NFL.

I am not even going to acknowledge the last line in your post. Not interested in arguing hypotheticals.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

You guys love us vs them nonsense.

I an a Jimmysexual and Treynatic.

You all love to team up on side, this is the same as the Alex and Kap garbage. Lots of the same joiners.

I am not a joiner, I love them both.

"You guys" has nothing to do with the 49ers. Not the best way to start off a post, per what you've been teaching the last several days. Just reminding you since it seemed like a campaign slogan of yours in different threads:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You could comment on posts instead of talking about posters. It is Rule #1 of this forum.

Let's just here something about the players and the team instead of reassuring us of your preferences. e.g.,...how do you think Lance will fit in with the new puzzle piece (CMC)?

I have no idea how Lance will fit with the team. He hasn't completed two starts in a row yet.

He is an unknown still.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Chiefs traded up and gave 1 future 1. We gave 2 future ones. We paid more for TL than what Mahomes cost. Course we could have simply drafted Mahomes for a single one and chose not to. I have to question whoever is making our QB draft decisions. I suspect it is KS. Great coach, not a great GM although he knows receivers.

I'm more concerned about giving middle of the road QBs top QB contracts.

Yup. We just don't have good QB evals. And we need another QB imo when JG walks. Most important position in the game and I can't remember the last guy we developed or who was a Pro Bowl type guy. Garcia? Young? Got to go a very long way back.

developing QBs in general is becoming a lost art in the league.
More and more rookies are staritng right away or by midseason.

Outside of the top 5-7 qbs qb play seems to be regressing (sure stats are up in the throwing league)

I am not certain any team has the luxury of Young on the bench for multiple years.

This is how it has been for a long time now. What we did with Trey Lance last year is something that is almost never done with highly drafted QBs.

Almost never done but not unheard of. Phillip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers didn't start right away. Because just like Lance they both had a QB that was capable of taking the team to the playoffs instead of being thrown in the fire right away.

And did you think Lance was capable from starting day one after being off a whole year??

I guess I should have clarified "a long time." In recent history (the past 10-15 years), almost every top 5 QB drafted has started in his rookie year. I have to dig up the post that I made multiple times last season. QBs drafted in the top 5 almost never sit the entire season in today's NFL. This is dating back a lot longer than a handful of years. I will try to find the post.

I didnt think Lance was capable of starting day 1 because of being off a whole year, but I also believe that it was in his best interest of his development to not sit another full year. I was calling for him to start after the bye week pretty much from the beginning of last season. And one more loss early on and it would have happened.

Originally posted by random49er:
I was a fan of Fields' game the most coming out,...but it's irrelevant at this point.

A quick reminder on Fields' #s extrapolated over 17 games.



Solid but not at all spectacular....just yet.

The problem that I think infects almost all of you regarding the young guys is the need to INSTANTLY ANNOINT 1 guy or the other when there's flat out so much room for growth.

Remember when this thread was all about Mac Jones this and Mac Jones that? He's not doing so great lately and so now I guess we now have a new prodigal son we should've taken, right?

And it's all based on how they're doing RIGHT NOW or in their latest game or 2 instead of the growth process they are all individually under. Until Lance has a slew of games under his belt, there's just no point in comparing them right now.

Jones, Fields, and Lawrence all SHOULD BE better than Lance. They've all played heavy minutes and have time to refine what they've seen on film. Lance,...not so much.

So I'd much rather hear why Lance will grow much less as a QB (once he finally gets to play) than Fields will if we're going to compare right now.

Saying who's better right now is pretty futile.

Same. Loved fields and still love the kid. I can't help but wonder what Kyle may have done with him. BUT I understand the idea with Lance as he was my second choice as well. It really sucks he was lost for the year because he simply needs experience.

Imo the only thing we have truly found out is Lance isn't a fluid runner. If nobody is open he can absolutely slide out of the pocket or boot leg and if all fails- try to dart for a hopeful first down and slide. Otherwise he's not very agile and certainly too timid a runner at this point.

I can't really say anything else because the poor kid just hasn't played enough. We must wait for next year and ask everyone to be patience because there will be growing pains. Lol I hope Kyle pretends he can't run and makes him learn being a pocket QB. I feel like he was going to transition to that over the first few weeks.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Chiefs traded up and gave 1 future 1. We gave 2 future ones. We paid more for TL than what Mahomes cost. Course we could have simply drafted Mahomes for a single one and chose not to. I have to question whoever is making our QB draft decisions. I suspect it is KS. Great coach, not a great GM although he knows receivers.

I'm more concerned about giving middle of the road QBs top QB contracts.

Yup. We just don't have good QB evals. And we need another QB imo when JG walks. Most important position in the game and I can't remember the last guy we developed or who was a Pro Bowl type guy. Garcia? Young? Got to go a very long way back.

developing QBs in general is becoming a lost art in the league.
More and more rookies are staritng right away or by midseason.

Outside of the top 5-7 qbs qb play seems to be regressing (sure stats are up in the throwing league)

I am not certain any team has the luxury of Young on the bench for multiple years.

This is how it has been for a long time now. What we did with Trey Lance last year is something that is almost never done with highly drafted QBs.

Almost never done but not unheard of. Phillip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers didn't start right away. Because just like Lance they both had a QB that was capable of taking the team to the playoffs instead of being thrown in the fire right away.

And did you think Lance was capable from starting day one after being off a whole year??

I guess I should have clarified "a long time." In recent history (the past 10-15 years), almost every top 5 QB drafted has started in his rookie year. I have to dig up the post that I made multiple times last season. QBs drafted in the top 5 almost never sit the entire season in today's NFL. This is dating back a lot longer than a handful of years. I will try to find the post.

I didnt think Lance was capable of starting day 1 because of being off a whole year, but I also believe that it was in his best interest of his development to not sit another full year. I was calling for him to start after the bye week pretty much from the beginning of last season. And one more loss early on and it would have happened.

He had a chance to take over as a rookie and got hurt in his second sartorial, he got the job handed to him this year again and couldn't make it through two starts.

Fingers crossed for next year.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Not to mention it's a horrible comparison. Kap is more of a straight line runner, Fields is a lot more elusive. And Fields is a much more polished passer and further along as a passer in the NFL than Kap was.

This is comically absurd. This is nothing more than rewriting of history based on personal opinions.

My god the bias in Kap is strong in you my friend.

Fields makes all the throws from the pocket and outside the pocket. He's not throw 90mph fastballs every time he drops back to pass.

Give Fields, Jim Harbaugh, Kyle Shanahan or Mike McDaniel. I bet you he'd blow Kaps stats outta the water!!!

Eyeroll at the bolded. You made a claim that Fields is a more polished passer and further along as a passer than Kap ever was. So why is it that Kaepernick has shredded some teams (some very, very good teams at that) with his arms in his 49er career and Fields has not?

Kap shredded the Patriots with his arm IN Foxboro in the snow. Fields has never done that. Kap had a 400 yard, 3 touchdown game in our season opener against the Packers. Fields has never been close to having that type of game. Kap has multiple 300 yard passing games that resulted in wins. Fields has never thrown for 300 yards in a loss.

There is nothing biased about my reply. In no way shape or form is Fields a more polished passer right this second than Kap was in the NFL.

I am not even going to acknowledge the last line in your post. Not interested in arguing hypotheticals.

Wow I said "than Kap ever was". So I see thats how you like to make your arguments by putting words into people mouths. Obviously I'm comparing coming outta college and up to this point. Its like you trying to argue Lance is a far better player than Fields off of four starts.

And keep in mind, Fields is doing this with a garbage team. What happen when Kaepernick had a garbage team and was asked to pass more from the pocket, 1-10 record barely hitting 60% in cmp/perc. Smfh

Justin Fields hit 70% cmp/pct twice this season amd not against chump defenses either.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Wow I said "than Kap ever was". So I see thats how you like to make your arguments by putting words into people mouths. Obviously I'm comparing coming outta college and up to this point. Its like you trying to argue Lance is a far better player than Fields off of four starts.

And keep in mind, Fields is doing this with a garbage team. What happen when Kaepernick had a garbage team and was asked to pass more from the pocket, 1-10 record barely hitting 60% in cmp/perc. Smfh

Justin Fields hit 70% cmp/pct twice this season amd not against chump defenses either.

As bad as Bears are, the 2015/2016 49ers were worse. Worse at RB, worse at WR, worse Oline, worse coaching worse defense.

You don't seem to be able to wrap your head around how bad those teams were.

QB1 going into next season is probably still Lance and he'll have one chance to earn the job or there will be replacements at many levels.

KRAP could not hold a candle to the talent level of Fields.

Fields, vick, jackson, stunningly athletic qb's with exactly 0 Super Bowls. You gotta be able to read and pass. I can add rg3 kaep to that list too.

I saw him shred the dolphins. He may very well be an outstanding qb but I haven't seen him do it with his arm yet. Cool it with the hot takes.

write this down and keep receipts. Fields comes back to earth this week. And how do you compare a qb who has played 3 games in 2 seasons. You can't gotta wait and see.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Not to mention it's a horrible comparison. Kap is more of a straight line runner, Fields is a lot more elusive. And Fields is a much more polished passer and further along as a passer in the NFL than Kap was.

This is comically absurd. This is nothing more than rewriting of history based on personal opinions.

My god the bias in Kap is strong in you my friend.

Fields makes all the throws from the pocket and outside the pocket. He's not throw 90mph fastballs every time he drops back to pass.

Give Fields, Jim Harbaugh, Kyle Shanahan or Mike McDaniel. I bet you he'd blow Kaps stats outta the water!!!

Eyeroll at the bolded. You made a claim that Fields is a more polished passer and further along as a passer than Kap ever was. So why is it that Kaepernick has shredded some teams (some very, very good teams at that) with his arms in his 49er career and Fields has not?

Kap shredded the Patriots with his arm IN Foxboro in the snow. Fields has never done that. Kap had a 400 yard, 3 touchdown game in our season opener against the Packers. Fields has never been close to having that type of game. Kap has multiple 300 yard passing games that resulted in wins. Fields has never thrown for 300 yards in a loss.

There is nothing biased about my reply. In no way shape or form is Fields a more polished passer right this second than Kap was in the NFL.

I am not even going to acknowledge the last line in your post. Not interested in arguing hypotheticals.

Wow I said "than Kap ever was". So I see thats how you like to make your arguments by putting words into people mouths. Obviously I'm comparing coming outta college and up to this point. Its like you trying to argue Lance is a far better player than Fields off of four starts.

And keep in mind, Fields is doing this with a garbage team. What happen when Kaepernick had a garbage team and was asked to pass more from the pocket, 1-10 record barely hitting 60% in cmp/perc. Smfh

Justin Fields hit 70% cmp/pct twice this season amd not against chump defenses either.

Putting words in your mouth? You said Fields was further along right now than Kap was in the NFL.

Kap in the NFL = Kap's whole career

That's what you said. If you meant comparing Fields now to Kap at a similar point in his career, I can't read your mind. That's not what you said.

But even if I did somehow figure out what you meant and not what you said, I still disagree. Kap's first start against the Bears was a better game throwing the ball than Fields has ever had. Also, that Patriots game in Foxboro was like his 6th NFL start.

I also find it funny that you mention that Fields supporting cast in comparison to Kaps in 2016....while glorifying his two 70% completion games (ignoring Kap did it twice in 2016 too)....and disparaging Kap's 59.2% completion percentage when that's also higher than Fields completion percentage this year.

Sorry dude. Even after you clarified that you meant something different than what you said, I still don't agree with your post at all.

Originally posted by Jubwub88:
Fields, vick, jackson, stunningly athletic qb's with exactly 0 Super Bowls. You gotta be able to read and pass. I can add rg3 kaep to that list too.

I saw him shred the dolphins. He may very well be an outstanding qb but I haven't seen him do it with his arm yet. Cool it with the hot takes.

write this down and keep receipts. Fields comes back to earth this week. And how do you compare a qb who has played 3 games in 2 seasons. You can't gotta wait and see.

Sounds like you want him to fail... strange.

Originally posted by Jubwub88:
Fields, vick, jackson, stunningly athletic qb's with exactly 0 Super Bowls. You gotta be able to read and pass. I can add rg3 kaep to that list too.

I saw him shred the dolphins. He may very well be an outstanding qb but I haven't seen him do it with his arm yet. Cool it with the hot takes.

write this down and keep receipts. Fields comes back to earth this week. And how do you compare a qb who has played 3 games in 2 seasons. You can't gotta wait and see.

Add Steve Young, Russell Wilson and Pat Mahomes to that list then and you're 3-3. But are you trying to say Fields' failure to win a SB in his first season is an indictment on mobile QBs? Wow.

It has taken Fields about 17 or 18 games to get to this point. Let's see how Trey is when he gets to that amount of games. Players get better with reps, Who would have thought.