Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Mahomes got sacked numerous times today against the Titans, threw some intercepts, missed a lot of deep throws but still got the team home. I can't see anyone across the league calling for his head. Imagine if Mahomes was playing for the 49ers and how nitpicky the fan base would be with him.

Yeah. If our QB was averaging 325 passing yards a game and had 22 touchdowns in 8 games, I am sure our fanbase would nitpick him.

And this goes for all professions. A superstar employee gets a longer leash than a middling employee. If the superstar screws up, you tell him it's okay and to do better next time. If a middling employee screws up, you start looking at ways to replace him. This does not only apply to football.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Mahomes got sacked numerous times today against the Titans, threw some intercepts, missed a lot of deep throws but still got the team home. I can't see anyone across the league calling for his head. Imagine if Mahomes was playing for the 49ers and how nitpicky the fan base would be with him.

Yeah. If our QB was averaging 325 passing yards a game and had 22 touchdowns in 8 games, I am sure our fanbase would nitpick him.

And this goes for all professions. A superstar employee gets a longer leash than a middling employee. If the superstar screws up, you tell him it's okay and to do better next time. If a middling employee screws up, you start looking at ways to replace him. This does not only apply to football.

Common sense. But thanks for spelling it out for some.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by TheGoldenNugget:
Justin Fields is Kaep with more touch but still inaccurate as f**k. The league will catch upto him.

Hard to agree with that when his accuracy has improved throughout the season and he's currently the highest rated passer in the NFC North.

Not to mention it's a horrible comparison. Kap is more of a straight line runner, Fields is a lot more elusive. And Fields is a much more polished passer and further along as a passer in the NFL than Kap was.

That's a stretch. Fields as a passer has not been good this year.

Comparing Fields to Lance is silly. No question Fields is better now that he has nearly a full season on the field. Up until the last 3 games he's struggled with accuracy and has relied too much on his legs. I think Trey deserves at least a full year like Fields before you start comparing them. Everyone that says Lance was a mistake after seeing him play 3 games needs to takes a chill pill. If you used 3 games as a barometer then Fields, Lawrence, and Wilson would have all been busts. Peyton Manning and John Elway both struggled in their rookie seasons and both of them were way better in college and had far more experience.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Comparing Fields to Lance is silly. No question Fields is better now that he has nearly a full season on the field. Up until the last 3 games he's struggled with accuracy and has relied too much on his legs. I think Trey deserves at least a full year like Fields before you start comparing them. Everyone that says Lance was a mistake after seeing him play 3 games needs to takes a chill pill. If you used 3 games as a barometer then Fields, Lawrence, and Wilson would have all been busts. Peyton Manning and John Elway both struggled in their rookie seasons and both of them were way better in college and had far more experience.

Lawrence, Fields, and Wilson have many games against top college competition. Plus a year and a half of pro ball. Lance is not at square one yet.

Originally posted by RishikeshA:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Comparing Fields to Lance is silly. No question Fields is better now that he has nearly a full season on the field. Up until the last 3 games he's struggled with accuracy and has relied too much on his legs. I think Trey deserves at least a full year like Fields before you start comparing them. Everyone that says Lance was a mistake after seeing him play 3 games needs to takes a chill pill. If you used 3 games as a barometer then Fields, Lawrence, and Wilson would have all been busts. Peyton Manning and John Elway both struggled in their rookie seasons and both of them were way better in college and had far more experience.

Lawrence, Fields, and Wilson have many games against top college competition. Plus a year and a half of pro ball. Lance is not at square one yet.

I see an inconsistency with getting him to square one. Bears are selling their D adding picks losing players. They don't care about winning this year it's all about seeing how good their young QB can get. We are the opposite of that, in win now mode. I think the club was hopeful he would figure it out like Mahomes via sitting. They referenced that as their model.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Yeah. If our QB was averaging 325 passing yards a game and had 22 touchdowns in 8 games, I am sure our fanbase would nitpick him.

You have to forgive them after Albert, Tittle, Brodie, Montana, and Young there is a high bar for judging QBs.

Crazy how Trey is perceived. He has barely played so objectively you cant make any conclusive statements about him. Yet being out of sight out of mind due to injury has led to NFL fans outside of Niner land to conclude he is a bust.

I guess I prefer he be under the radar when he returns next year

Originally posted by RishikeshA:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Comparing Fields to Lance is silly. No question Fields is better now that he has nearly a full season on the field. Up until the last 3 games he's struggled with accuracy and has relied too much on his legs. I think Trey deserves at least a full year like Fields before you start comparing them. Everyone that says Lance was a mistake after seeing him play 3 games needs to takes a chill pill. If you used 3 games as a barometer then Fields, Lawrence, and Wilson would have all been busts. Peyton Manning and John Elway both struggled in their rookie seasons and both of them were way better in college and had far more experience.

Lawrence, Fields, and Wilson have many games against top college competition. Plus a year and a half of pro ball. Lance is not at square one yet.

Actually Fields has started 19 games. He didn't start until mid season last year. Still, it's unfair to compare him to Lance at this point. Lawrence is by far the most experienced against good competition and he's just now starting to learn how to play in the NFL.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Crazy how Trey is perceived. He has barely played so objectively you cant make any conclusive statements about him. Yet being out of sight out of mind due to injury has led to NFL fans outside of Niner land to conclude he is a bust.

I guess I prefer he be under the radar when he returns next year

You can make statements about how he played in the games he played. You can make statements about his injury history etc. This narrative that you cannot judge until the career is over is false. GMs and coaches evaluate all the players all the time. Ppl for the most part realize he's very young and the book isn't closed, far from it. This is a production / wins based league. Right now 2 years in there is no real production to speak of, and it's an obscene price we paid, so yes many fans will ask questions. Only person who can flip the script is TL by producing / winning.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Crazy how Trey is perceived. He has barely played so objectively you cant make any conclusive statements about him. Yet being out of sight out of mind due to injury has led to NFL fans outside of Niner land to conclude he is a bust.

I guess I prefer he be under the radar when he returns next year

You should see the nonsense in the Fields thread. You can't go a page without a dig at Lance.

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Crazy how Trey is perceived. He has barely played so objectively you cant make any conclusive statements about him. Yet being out of sight out of mind due to injury has led to NFL fans outside of Niner land to conclude he is a bust.

I guess I prefer he be under the radar when he returns next year

You should see the nonsense in the Fields thread. You can't go a page without a dig at Lance.

We really surprised? Yes Fields will be mentioned a lot when he's otc and we passed for TL. They will be compared forever. It's like Alex / Aaron. That stuff doesn't go away. Only hope is TL gets it going. Late KC Alex actually made the comp between them a lot closer. Rodgers still way out in front but it at least got closer than when Rodgers was winning the SB and Smith was being benched for Carr.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Crazy how Trey is perceived. He has barely played so objectively you cant make any conclusive statements about him. Yet being out of sight out of mind due to injury has led to NFL fans outside of Niner land to conclude he is a bust.

I guess I prefer he be under the radar when he returns next year

You can make statements about how he played in the games he played. You can make statements about his injury history etc. This narrative that you cannot judge until the career is over is false. GMs and coaches evaluate all the players all the time. Ppl for the most part realize he's very young and the book isn't closed, far from it. This is a production / wins based league. Right now 2 years in there is no real production to speak of, and it's an obscene price we paid, so yes many fans will ask questions. Only person who can flip the script is TL by producing / winning.

Nowhere did I say don't judge him til his career is over. Just it's a ridiculous notion to say anything definitive after 4 career starts. Only thing you can speculate on is his health and lack of experience and how that will impact his career. But again, you can't say anything definitive. And to suggest otherwise is biased and unfair considering the leeway that is given to other players. The price we paid is irrelevant. That is the cost you pay in the modern NFL to try to get a franchise QB when you aren't a bad enough team to select in the top 3 by virtue of your record.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Crazy how Trey is perceived. He has barely played so objectively you cant make any conclusive statements about him. Yet being out of sight out of mind due to injury has led to NFL fans outside of Niner land to conclude he is a bust.

I guess I prefer he be under the radar when he returns next year

You can make statements about how he played in the games he played. You can make statements about his injury history etc. This narrative that you cannot judge until the career is over is false. GMs and coaches evaluate all the players all the time. Ppl for the most part realize he's very young and the book isn't closed, far from it. This is a production / wins based league. Right now 2 years in there is no real production to speak of, and it's an obscene price we paid, so yes many fans will ask questions. Only person who can flip the script is TL by producing / winning.

I agree.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Crazy how Trey is perceived. He has barely played so objectively you cant make any conclusive statements about him. Yet being out of sight out of mind due to injury has led to NFL fans outside of Niner land to conclude he is a bust.

I guess I prefer he be under the radar when he returns next year

You can make statements about how he played in the games he played. You can make statements about his injury history etc. This narrative that you cannot judge until the career is over is false. GMs and coaches evaluate all the players all the time. Ppl for the most part realize he's very young and the book isn't closed, far from it. This is a production / wins based league. Right now 2 years in there is no real production to speak of, and it's an obscene price we paid, so yes many fans will ask questions. Only person who can flip the script is TL by producing / winning.

Nowhere did I say don't judge him til his career is over. Just it's a ridiculous notion to say anything definitive after 4 career starts. Only thing you can speculate on is his health and lack of experience and how that will impact his career. But again, you can't say anything definitive. And to suggest otherwise is biased and unfair considering the leeway that is given to other players. The price we paid is irrelevant. That is the cost you pay in the modern NFL to try to get a franchise QB when you aren't a bad enough team to select in the top 3 by virtue of your record.

We can agree to disagree. Thread is open and I encourage ppl to share their thoughts not censor themselves for fear of being wrong in 5 years. League changes fast that's what makes football great, doesn't mean you can't have an opinion now.

Price we paid is highly relevant, draft picks are extremely important and how they are used can shape the course of a franchise.

I think very few teams actually got their starting QB by investing 3 ones.. small minority of clubs.. it's not 'the price you pay in the modern NFL' tell it to Philly who spent 0 ones to maybe get the MVP of the league.