Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
How is that tough talking what is the I'm a York mentality?

You could comment on posts instead of talking about posters. It is Rule #1 of this forum.

What did you disagree with and why?

I think he's saying that you are an Owner and therefore you cannot be fired. You are most likely unbannable even if you commit ban worthy offenses. Because you don't dismiss Owners. Can we update Woo's tagline from 'Veteran' to 'Owner'?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Heinicke and Minshew are my targets next year.

I like Ryan, Brady, Baker or Cam we could get him now

No.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I get this sense that you would rather not win a superbowl this year. You'd probably be bitter about it.

I said it before the rams game that they were going to win and Kyle would be a genius again in here

If they do win a superbowl with Jimmy, they are going to have a very difficult decision to make and they absolutely will have fans questioning the move back to trey. We could have a foles/Wentz type situation but worse because Wentz had shown he could win games. Lance is still 100% an unknown.

I do agree though that even with a superbowl win they go back to Trey next year.

Nope I'm down to win it all with whomever is the QB. I'm a fan just like everyone else. I get pumped when we win and I get pissed when we lose.

Jimmy is gone after this yr regardless of what happens. They have resources and cap space allocated to other things outside of having to pay a QB $25+ million a yr (which is what he will get if he wins a SB).

Nick Foles had some of the luckiest out of body playoff runs that a QB has ever had. He then went on to stink everywhere else. IMO we would have a Nick Foles Jalen Hurts situation…one where fans need to be cool taking one step back to take 3 steps forward for the long term. They win a SB they can do exactly that and not even you can complain about Kyle after he wins

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Fan and media pressure indluence football decisions and expectations.

If the 49ers miss the playoff this year, the decision to move on to Lance will be accepted my most as a smart move. If the 49ers win the SB this year with Jimmy at the helm, the decision to move on will be less accepted and the pressure to not regress will be great.

Do you disagree?

No I do not agree at all….if fans and media influenced everything. Every single coach outside of whomever won a SB would be fired every yr. It's lack of understanding how much work goes into building a roster and the true nature (and yes luck) of winning a SB.

no if SF wins a SB it instantly takes the monkey if Kyle's back. The pressure is gone. Whatever happens this yr has no bearing Lance in 2023.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Fan and media pressure indluence football decisions and expectations.

If the 49ers miss the playoff this year, the decision to move on to Lance will be accepted my most as a smart move. If the 49ers win the SB this year with Jimmy at the helm, the decision to move on will be less accepted and the pressure to not regress will be great.

Do you disagree?

No I do not agree at all….if fans and media influenced everything. Every single coach outside of whomever won a SB would be fired every yr. It's lack of understanding how much work goes into building a roster and the true nature (and yes luck) of winning a SB.

no if SF wins a SB it instantly takes the monkey if Kyle's back. The pressure is gone. Whatever happens this yr has no bearing Lance in 2023.

Why add a qualifier like "everything"? Let's not throw in hyperbole to try to skew someone's point.

So of the 49ers won the SB with Jimmy then regress to a losing team Kyle won't be judged for the regression?

Winning a SB is an extreme. My point is that regression after a qb change will be judged as poor by all.
The pressure to show improvement after a qb change is there.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Why add a qualifier like "everything"? Let's not throw in hyperbole to try to skew someone's point.

So of the 49ers won the SB with Jimmy then regress to a losing team Kyle won't be judged for the regression?

Winning a SB is an extreme. My point is that regression after a qb change will be judged as poor by all.
The pressure to show improvement after a qb change is there.

Depends on the cause of the regression. If the offense is even better under Trey but the D falls off a cliff under a new DC is the QB change wrong?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Fan and media pressure indluence football decisions and expectations.

If the 49ers miss the playoff this year, the decision to move on to Lance will be accepted my most as a smart move. If the 49ers win the SB this year with Jimmy at the helm, the decision to move on will be less accepted and the pressure to not regress will be great.

Do you disagree?

No I do not agree at all….if fans and media influenced everything. Every single coach outside of whomever won a SB would be fired every yr. It's lack of understanding how much work goes into building a roster and the true nature (and yes luck) of winning a SB.

no if SF wins a SB it instantly takes the monkey if Kyle's back. The pressure is gone. Whatever happens this yr has no bearing Lance in 2023.

Thank you.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Why add a qualifier like "everything"? Let's not throw in hyperbole to try to skew someone's point.

So of the 49ers won the SB with Jimmy then regress to a losing team Kyle won't be judged for the regression?

Winning a SB is an extreme. My point is that regression after a qb change will be judged as poor by all.
The pressure to show improvement after a qb change is there.

1) Right now you are saying that winning a SB is an extreme,...yet a couple days ago, you said he has no excuse to not get to the SB this year. You suggested he's on the hot seat if he does not,...do I have that right? As you know, I can easily pull the quote up.
But which one is it? An extreme, or a fireable offense if it does not happen? You cannot claim both at the same time, can you?

2) You are a disgruntled fan that has his favorites (like Jimmy, but not Kyle, for example). You are going to "judge" either way as you see fit. The issue is that your judgement is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. The ownership of this team are the ones whose judgement will matter.

You suggest that they will be under immense pressure constantly on here, but you are not backing up your claim with ANYTHING tangible. You just keep repeating it over and over,....which suggests (inadvertently I'm sure) that you are part of the ownership group. (Woo York?)

Feel free @ any time though to say where this "have to", "last chance" pressure will be coming from and why. Map it out for us so we legitimately understand your POV, and can stop regarding it as tough talk with no substance.

I'll throw you a bone: A coach that gets to pick his own GM is allowed to blow through high draft picks so long as several years afterwards, he is fielding one of the top 5 most talented teams in the league. This is a general claim I am making for discussion's sake, since you seem to disagree with this.

Can you please state why would disagree and attach substance to your reasoning? Thanks.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Why add a qualifier like "everything"? Let's not throw in hyperbole to try to skew someone's point.

So of the 49ers won the SB with Jimmy then regress to a losing team Kyle won't be judged for the regression?

Winning a SB is an extreme. My point is that regression after a qb change will be judged as poor by all.
The pressure to show improvement after a qb change is there.

1) Right now you are saying that winning a SB is an extreme,...yet a couple days ago, you said he has no excuse to not get to the SB this year. You suggested he's on the hot seat if he does not,...do I have that right? As you know, I can easily pull the quote up.
But which one is it? An extreme, or a fireable offense if it does not happen? You cannot claim both at the same time, can you?

2) You are a disgruntled fan that has his favorites (like Jimmy, but not Kyle, for example). You are going to "judge" either way as you see fit. The issue is that your judgement is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. The ownership of this team are the ones whose judgement will matter.

You suggest that they will be under immense pressure constantly on here, but you are not backing up your claim with ANYTHING tangible. You just keep repeating it over and over,....which suggests (inadvertently I'm sure) that you are part of the ownership group. (Woo York?)

Feel free @ any time though to say where this "have to", "last chance" pressure will be coming from and why. Map it out for us so we legitimately understand your POV, and can stop regarding it as tough talk with no substance.

I'll throw you a bone: A coach that gets to pick his own GM is allowed to blow through high draft picks so long as several years afterwards, he is fielding one of the top 5 most talented teams in the league. This is a general claim I am making for discussion's sake, since you seem to disagree with this.

Can you please state why would disagree and attach substance to your reasoning? Thanks.

I said no such thing. Kyle isn't on the hotseat this year with Jimmy starting.
I love Kyle. I wouldn't want anyone else right now.

All these comments are about me, not Lance or the 49ers. Why do you post about posters rather than the team so much? You pretend to know what people are thinking yo make up arguments that aren't being made. It is weird.

I don't disagree with your last stamens. Why not leave out all the weird personal speculation and insults?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Heinicke and Minshew are my targets next year.

I like Ryan, Brady, Baker or Cam we could get him now

I wouldn't doubt it one bit that if Matt Ryan was on the market he'd be a 49er. I don't think Shanahan would want to work with Tom Brady, I feel like he'd be a pain in the ass to work with. Baker and Cam is garbage and I don't think Shanahan would even think about those two.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Fan and media pressure indluence football decisions and expectations.

If the 49ers miss the playoff this year, the decision to move on to Lance will be accepted my most as a smart move. If the 49ers win the SB this year with Jimmy at the helm, the decision to move on will be less accepted and the pressure to not regress will be great.

Do you disagree?

kyle and john dont give a flying f**k what anyone else thinks but themselves and their front office team

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
kyle and john dont give a flying f**k what anyone else thinks but themselves and their front office team

For better or for worse, they've proven this over and over again come draft time.

Luckily for us, it's resulted in an extremely talented roster.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Fan and media pressure indluence football decisions and expectations.

If the 49ers miss the playoff this year, the decision to move on to Lance will be accepted my most as a smart move. If the 49ers win the SB this year with Jimmy at the helm, the decision to move on will be less accepted and the pressure to not regress will be great.

Do you disagree?

kyle and john dont give a flying f**k what anyone else thinks but themselves and their front office team

I agree, and if they won a Super Bowl they'd have no reason to start suddenly caring. It would only further prove that they ultimately know what they're doing.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I like Ryan, Brady, Baker or Cam we could get him now

The webzone would probably have a meltdown If any of this happened.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I like Ryan, Brady, Baker or Cam we could get him now

The webzone would probably have a meltdown If any of this happened.

Rather have Jimmy than any of those trash bags.