Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
When Trey proves all his doubters wrong, please continue to hate. Don't eat crow. Don't pretend like you were a fan long before he succeeded. Just continue to hate.

What is your definition of succeeding exactly? What is a successful season this year?

While I do agree with your sentiment, I'm just not sure what you consider successful? Super Bowl appearance? 2 NFCC in 3 years? Good stats? 3rd leading win percentage in the NFL? What is your measurement of success?

For Trey this year. 65%+ completion, 2:1 td to int ratio or better, 8.0+ ypa, 10+ wins and a playoff appearance. What more could you reasonably expect from a 1st year starter?

Why is completion % important to you? It's nice to have the numbers to show that someone is completing more of their passes than they're not but completion % doesn't win football games.

I think you simply have to use the eye test with Trey. Putting stats as any requirement whether he had a successful season or not isn't wise IMO.

Can he show that he can lead this offense. Can he show that he can do the things that Jimmy did well while also bringing another level to this offense. I don't care if most of the TDs go to the RBs as long as we're moving the ball on offense with him at the helm.

There are games in Tom Brady's careers where the stats looked ugly but he was critical in big moments in getting his teams what they needed out of him. If Trey shows he's got command of this offense the rest will fall into place.

So you think that a QB that completes 40% of his passes is acceptable and can win you a lot of games? Tell me what QB in the NFL has had a long career completing less than 60%? If completion percentage was not important no one would waste their time recording it.

When was the last time you saw a QB complete 40% of his passes over the course of a season?

I'm talking about setting a bar like 65% when there is not a major difference between that or 60% or 70% in the grand scheme of things. Especially when you have a guy attempting more big plays vs feeding the easy routes which fluff up completions.

If you cannot complete the short throws, the deep throws are less likely to be there. I'd rather have a QB that is highly efficient completing the short throws and only take a deep shot a few times a game rather than a QB that lives and dies off the long ball. Again, if completion percentage wasn't an important stat than why do all the football sites that collect data waste their time tracking it?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If you cannot complete the easy throws, the deep throws are less likely to be there. I'd rather have a QB that is highly efficient completing the easy throws and only take a deep shot a few times a game rather than a QB that lives and dies off the long ball. Again, if completion percentage wasn't an important stat than why do all the football sites that collect data waste their time tracking it?

Football sites literally collect and track everything.

They don't track everything. But what they do track is all important for evaluating a player. Which is my point.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If you cannot complete the easy throws, the deep throws are less likely to be there. I'd rather have a QB that is highly efficient completing the easy throws and only take a deep shot a few times a game rather than a QB that lives and dies off the long ball. Again, if completion percentage wasn't an important stat than why do all the football sites that collect data waste their time tracking it?

Football sites literally collect and track everything.

They don't track everything. But what they do track is all important for evaluating a player. Which is my point.

Completion percentage is tracked because it's an easily computable stat and it has also been recorded for decades making it useful when comparing different eras of the NFL. It's objectively an inferior stat to CPOE, because it doesn't consider the difficulty of the throws being made whereas CPOE does.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Similar easy throw actually and Trey will miss easy ones too. Every QB does if you actually watch football just not act like you do.

Not really similar. Jimmy had a wide open Juice with no one around him….Trey had a play to Sheffield with S/DB above him. He had to layer that throw in. Yes you should expect your starter to make both those throws

No he didn't lol. The safety was a good 15 yards away when he threw it. It was an easy throw. Yes one that Jimmy missed but it was wide open. Again that's not a hit on Trey as he hit the easy throw so there is nothing negative about it but to act like it was some magical throw. It was a good throw to a wide open guy. The announcer even says "wide open".

Again no hate towards Trey, it was a good throw but not some amazing touch pass. The one I provided was much better.

Originally posted by krizay:
So then you're not a fan of Patrick Mahomes 25th ranked IAY at 7.3. Or his 30th ranked CAY/comp of 4.9?

Also, I seen posters talk about Josh Allen, Jimmy G. Tom Brady, Colin Kaepernick. JaMarcus Russell etc.... didn't know we drew the line at Mac Jones

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Similar easy throw actually and Trey will miss easy ones too. Every QB does if you actually watch football just not act like you do.

Not really similar. Jimmy had a wide open Juice with no one around him….Trey had a play to Sheffield with S/DB above him. He had to layer that throw in. Yes you should expect your starter to make both those throws

No he didn't lol. The safety was a good 15 yards away when he threw it. It was an easy throw. Yes one that Jimmy missed but it was wide open. Again that's not a hit on Trey as he hit the easy throw so there is nothing negative about it but to act like it was some magical throw. It was a good throw to a wide open guy. The announcer even says "wide open".

Again no hate towards Trey, it was a good throw but not some amazing touch pass. The one I provided was much better.

I'm curious as to why you chose to post a still image from the play that cuts off the fact that there was a safety closing in from the top. Why even post a still image at all when there is a video of the play?

The reason I posted that play wasn't to show one of the world's most difficult throws. I posted it as an example of Trey putting some touch on a throw to fit it in between two defenders in response to a poster that said Trey can't throw with touch, which he clearly can.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Similar easy throw actually and Trey will miss easy ones too. Every QB does if you actually watch football just not act like you do.

Not really similar. Jimmy had a wide open Juice with no one around him….Trey had a play to Sheffield with S/DB above him. He had to layer that throw in. Yes you should expect your starter to make both those throws

No he didn't lol. The safety was a good 15 yards away when he threw it. It was an easy throw. Yes one that Jimmy missed but it was wide open. Again that's not a hit on Trey as he hit the easy throw so there is nothing negative about it but to act like it was some magical throw. It was a good throw to a wide open guy. The announcer even says "wide open".

Again no hate towards Trey, it was a good throw but not some amazing touch pass. The one I provided was much better.

I'm curious as to why you chose to post a still image from the play that cuts off the fact that there was a safety closing in from the top. Why even post a still image at all when there is a video of the play?

The reason I posted that play wasn't to show one of the world's most difficult throws. I posted it as an example of Trey putting some touch on a throw to fit it in between two defenders in response to a poster that said Trey can't throw with touch, which he clearly can.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Similar easy throw actually and Trey will miss easy ones too. Every QB does if you actually watch football just not act like you do.

Not really similar. Jimmy had a wide open Juice with no one around him….Trey had a play to Sheffield with S/DB above him. He had to layer that throw in. Yes you should expect your starter to make both those throws

No he didn't lol. The safety was a good 15 yards away when he threw it. It was an easy throw. Yes one that Jimmy missed but it was wide open. Again that's not a hit on Trey as he hit the easy throw so there is nothing negative about it but to act like it was some magical throw. It was a good throw to a wide open guy. The announcer even says "wide open".

Again no hate towards Trey, it was a good throw but not some amazing touch pass. The one I provided was much better.

I'm curious as to why you chose to post a still image from the play that cuts off the fact that there was a safety closing in from the top. Why even post a still image at all when there is a video of the play?

The reason I posted that play wasn't to show one of the world's most difficult throws. I posted it as an example of Trey putting some touch on a throw to fit it in between two defenders in response to a poster that said Trey can't throw with touch, which he clearly can.

Safety was 5 yards away when he caught the ball. Dude is straight up lying because he's got some weird Fascination with Jimmy Garoppolo. It's this guys 2nd or 3rd account in here. Must have been banned with the other ones.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
To show the 10 yard gap with the ball closing. Lol I really have to explain this? The safety wasn't close. This was a simple throw.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Similar easy throw actually and Trey will miss easy ones too. Every QB does if you actually watch football just not act like you do.

Not really similar. Jimmy had a wide open Juice with no one around him….Trey had a play to Sheffield with S/DB above him. He had to layer that throw in. Yes you should expect your starter to make both those throws

No he didn't lol. The safety was a good 15 yards away when he threw it. It was an easy throw. Yes one that Jimmy missed but it was wide open. Again that's not a hit on Trey as he hit the easy throw so there is nothing negative about it but to act like it was some magical throw. It was a good throw to a wide open guy. The announcer even says "wide open".

Again no hate towards Trey, it was a good throw but not some amazing touch pass. The one I provided was much better.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
To show the 10 yard gap with the ball closing. Lol I really have to explain this? The safety wasn't close. This was a simple throw.

5 yards away from him when he caught the ball. The safety was closing in not playing with dick. Jimmy had a wide open Juice with no one around him. Walk in TD. Pretend all you want that they were the same throw but we all watched it.

if Jimmy made that throw you'd be rock hard lol like another poster told me, you can't debate with a fool.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Now if we want to talk about touch and talk about Trey not Jimmy like 5GoldenJimmyStan(every post) wants, IMO though it was incomplete @4:24 was my favorite Trey throw. Touch, anticipation, and delivery.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
5 yards is a lot lololol. That's WIIIIDE open in the NFL. Great point lol.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Go to the Jimmy thread if you wanna cry about him Jimmy Stan.

Here is a better throw I pointed out and you intentionally missed so you can argue and bring up Jimmy like you do every post. 5 yards is wide open in the NFL(what a stupid point) this one has touch, anticipation and delivery like I said.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Go to the Jimmy thread if you wanna cry about him Jimmy Stan.

Here is a better throw I pointed out and you intentionally missed so you can argue and bring up Jimmy like you do every post. 5 yards is wide open in the NFL(what a stupid point) this one has touch, anticipation and delivery like I said.

It I cared about Jimmy I would be in there… why the f**k are you here? You're still trying to defend him in another players thread. You've already been banned once for it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Go to the Jimmy thread if you wanna cry about him Jimmy Stan.

Here is a better throw I pointed out and you intentionally missed so you can argue and bring up Jimmy like you do every post. 5 yards is wide open in the NFL(what a stupid point) this one has touch, anticipation and delivery like I said.

It I cared about Jimmy I would be in there… why the f**k are you here? You're still trying to defend him in another players thread. You've already been banned once for it.