Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
True. But if he was facing that kind of pressure from game 1, things may have been a lot different. That Chiefs offense was pretty much set when he took over.

This was the original point. Agreed.

This is why so many have concerns about our current OL...it'll have an instant effect on Trey's early development, one way or another.

Yes. There is concern surrounding our O line. Trey has shown the ability to escape pressure and make throws on the run though. Good news is we have guys like Deebo, Kittle and possibly Aiyuk who can consistently get open.

Yeah, it's really just a matter of degree. We want him to trust his instincts on when to pull it down and for the OL and skill players to work in concert with him when he does go off schedule but we don't want him to do it to a degree he's abandoning the play scripts and learning bad habits and/or putting himself in unnecessary harm's way. Delicate balance especially right out of the gate.

I agree. Having a strong running game and quick passing game helps take some of that pressure off the O line in pass pro. I believe those two things are the biggest reasons why our pass pro has been mostly adequate over the past few seasons in spite of not having studs across the line.

Just out of curiosity, who does have studs all across the line? Not many.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
True. But if he was facing that kind of pressure from game 1, things may have been a lot different. That Chiefs offense was pretty much set when he took over.

This was the original point. Agreed.

This is why so many have concerns about our current OL...it'll have an instant effect on Trey's early development, one way or another.

Yes. There is concern surrounding our O line. Trey has shown the ability to escape pressure and make throws on the run though. Good news is we have guys like Deebo, Kittle and possibly Aiyuk who can consistently get open.

Yeah, it's really just a matter of degree. We want him to trust his instincts on when to pull it down and for the OL and skill players to work in concert with him when he does go off schedule but we don't want him to do it to a degree he's abandoning the play scripts and learning bad habits and/or putting himself in unnecessary harm's way. Delicate balance especially right out of the gate.

I agree. Having a strong running game and quick passing game helps take some of that pressure off the O line in pass pro. I believe those two things are the biggest reasons why our pass pro has been mostly adequate over the past few seasons in spite of not having studs across the line.

I couldn't agree more. I remember when we had both T's out and Kyle just called like 8 passes in a row behind the LOS or at the LOS for like 124 yards of YAC. Kyle does and can scheme around pass protection issues as good as anyone. I think he has more weapons for that now too.

Love the point about the quick release. If Kyle can continue to scheme that primary open, Trey will get quicker and quicker at it and really build up some crucial trust. And once Kyle gets to a point where he can trust Trey, look out! That playbook will be wide open!!!

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
True. But if he was facing that kind of pressure from game 1, things may have been a lot different. That Chiefs offense was pretty much set when he took over.

This was the original point. Agreed.

This is why so many have concerns about our current OL...it'll have an instant effect on Trey's early development, one way or another.

Yes. There is concern surrounding our O line. Trey has shown the ability to escape pressure and make throws on the run though. Good news is we have guys like Deebo, Kittle and possibly Aiyuk who can consistently get open.

Yeah, it's really just a matter of degree. We want him to trust his instincts on when to pull it down and for the OL and skill players to work in concert with him when he does go off schedule but we don't want him to do it to a degree he's abandoning the play scripts and learning bad habits and/or putting himself in unnecessary harm's way. Delicate balance especially right out of the gate.

I agree. Having a strong running game and quick passing game helps take some of that pressure off the O line in pass pro. I believe those two things are the biggest reasons why our pass pro has been mostly adequate over the past few seasons in spite of not having studs across the line.

Just out of curiosity, who does have studs all across the line? Not many.

Like individual all pros? Nobody...playing at an all pro level as a "pass protection unit" including the extra blocker, FB, TE and RB's? The last 2 Superbowl winners. The last 3 losers in Atlanta, SF and KC did not have that (in that game).

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
True. But if he was facing that kind of pressure from game 1, things may have been a lot different. That Chiefs offense was pretty much set when he took over.

This was the original point. Agreed.

This is why so many have concerns about our current OL...it'll have an instant effect on Trey's early development, one way or another.

Yes. There is concern surrounding our O line. Trey has shown the ability to escape pressure and make throws on the run though. Good news is we have guys like Deebo, Kittle and possibly Aiyuk who can consistently get open.

Yeah, it's really just a matter of degree. We want him to trust his instincts on when to pull it down and for the OL and skill players to work in concert with him when he does go off schedule but we don't want him to do it to a degree he's abandoning the play scripts and learning bad habits and/or putting himself in unnecessary harm's way. Delicate balance especially right out of the gate.

I agree. Having a strong running game and quick passing game helps take some of that pressure off the O line in pass pro. I believe those two things are the biggest reasons why our pass pro has been mostly adequate over the past few seasons in spite of not having studs across the line.

Just out of curiosity, who does have studs all across the line? Not many.

Like individual all pros? Nobody...playing at an all pro level as a "pass protection unit" including the extra blocker, FB, TE and RB's? The last 2 Superbowl winners. The last 3 losers in Atlanta, SF and KC did not have that (in that game).

We've given up one sack in entire playoffs

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
True. But if he was facing that kind of pressure from game 1, things may have been a lot different. That Chiefs offense was pretty much set when he took over.

This was the original point. Agreed.

This is why so many have concerns about our current OL...it'll have an instant effect on Trey's early development, one way or another.

Yes. There is concern surrounding our O line. Trey has shown the ability to escape pressure and make throws on the run though. Good news is we have guys like Deebo, Kittle and possibly Aiyuk who can consistently get open.

Yeah, it's really just a matter of degree. We want him to trust his instincts on when to pull it down and for the OL and skill players to work in concert with him when he does go off schedule but we don't want him to do it to a degree he's abandoning the play scripts and learning bad habits and/or putting himself in unnecessary harm's way. Delicate balance especially right out of the gate.

I agree. Having a strong running game and quick passing game helps take some of that pressure off the O line in pass pro. I believe those two things are the biggest reasons why our pass pro has been mostly adequate over the past few seasons in spite of not having studs across the line.

Just out of curiosity, who does have studs all across the line? Not many.

Well that was my point. Other aspects of an offense can help out a less than stellar pass pro O line. That includes a strong running game, quick passing and extra blockers.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
QUESTION!

Regarding the debate on whether it's better for a player to develop--- is it better to redshirt a year and develop quietly, or have game reps. How has that shaken out in college, where redshirting is a common practice?

Cream always rises. In college and NFL. If you can ball then you will.

I been screaming this forevs. You either got it or you don't. If Lance has got it he'll be great if he doesn't then he won't be.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
I don't agree with that. You can be a great player, and if you go to a bad team with bad coaching, it's very hard to overcome that, especially as a QB.

I agree with this. I think QB/OL/CB are coach/style/scheme dependent. If you go to a poorly coached team whose style/scheme doesn't fit your strengths makes it harder to develop IMO.

Even moreso for a QB. If a QB does not have a O line that can protect him and WR's that consistently get open. I don't care how talented they are, they are going to have a very tough time demonstrating their talent on the field.

Totally. Hell, just look at Mahomes, Allen, Brady, Wilson, Burrow, Stafford, etc. in "games" where their pass protection failed. If that's on a consistent basis, I can't think of one single factor that could ruin a QB career faster from the start.

Just thinking back to Jim Plunkett in New England. He got destroyed while there and had to be resurrected by Al Davis.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
True. But if he was facing that kind of pressure from game 1, things may have been a lot different. That Chiefs offense was pretty much set when he took over.

This was the original point. Agreed.

This is why so many have concerns about our current OL...it'll have an instant effect on Trey's early development, one way or another.

Yes. There is concern surrounding our O line. Trey has shown the ability to escape pressure and make throws on the run though. Good news is we have guys like Deebo, Kittle and possibly Aiyuk who can consistently get open.

Yeah, it's really just a matter of degree. We want him to trust his instincts on when to pull it down and for the OL and skill players to work in concert with him when he does go off schedule but we don't want him to do it to a degree he's abandoning the play scripts and learning bad habits and/or putting himself in unnecessary harm's way. Delicate balance especially right out of the gate.

I agree. Having a strong running game and quick passing game helps take some of that pressure off the O line in pass pro. I believe those two things are the biggest reasons why our pass pro has been mostly adequate over the past few seasons in spite of not having studs across the line.

Just out of curiosity, who does have studs all across the line? Not many.

Like individual all pros? Nobody...playing at an all pro level as a "pass protection unit" including the extra blocker, FB, TE and RB's? The last 2 Superbowl winners. The last 3 losers in Atlanta, SF and KC did not have that (in that game).

We've given up one sack in entire playoffs

True. That's why sacks are a poor indicator for both pass protection and pass rushers. But it is a stat.

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
I don't agree with that. You can be a great player, and if you go to a bad team with bad coaching, it's very hard to overcome that, especially as a QB.

I agree with this. I think QB/OL/CB are coach/style/scheme dependent. If you go to a poorly coached team whose style/scheme doesn't fit your strengths makes it harder to develop IMO.

Even moreso for a QB. If a QB does not have a O line that can protect him and WR's that consistently get open. I don't care how talented they are, they are going to have a very tough time demonstrating their talent on the field.

Totally. Hell, just look at Mahomes, Allen, Brady, Wilson, Burrow, Stafford, etc. in "games" where their pass protection failed. If that's on a consistent basis, I can't think of one single factor that could ruin a QB career faster from the start.

Just thinking back to Jim Plunkett in New England. He got destroyed while there and had to be resurrected by Al Davis.

Good example! Steve Young too.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
I don't agree with that. You can be a great player, and if you go to a bad team with bad coaching, it's very hard to overcome that, especially as a QB.

I agree with this. I think QB/OL/CB are coach/style/scheme dependent. If you go to a poorly coached team whose style/scheme doesn't fit your strengths makes it harder to develop IMO.

Even moreso for a QB. If a QB does not have a O line that can protect him and WR's that consistently get open. I don't care how talented they are, they are going to have a very tough time demonstrating their talent on the field.

Totally. Hell, just look at Mahomes, Allen, Brady, Wilson, Burrow, Stafford, etc. in "games" where their pass protection failed. If that's on a consistent basis, I can't think of one single factor that could ruin a QB career faster from the start.

Just thinking back to Jim Plunkett in New England. He got destroyed while there and had to be resurrected by Al Davis.

Good example! Steve Young too.

Montana had a great O line but he still got creamed sometimes. No line can always be perfect. Even with a good QB someone can still shoot a gap and blindside the QB. The Giants with Belichick as their DC were great at that.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
True. But if he was facing that kind of pressure from game 1, things may have been a lot different. That Chiefs offense was pretty much set when he took over.

This was the original point. Agreed.

This is why so many have concerns about our current OL...it'll have an instant effect on Trey's early development, one way or another.

Yes. There is concern surrounding our O line. Trey has shown the ability to escape pressure and make throws on the run though. Good news is we have guys like Deebo, Kittle and possibly Aiyuk who can consistently get open.

Yeah, it's really just a matter of degree. We want him to trust his instincts on when to pull it down and for the OL and skill players to work in concert with him when he does go off schedule but we don't want him to do it to a degree he's abandoning the play scripts and learning bad habits and/or putting himself in unnecessary harm's way. Delicate balance especially right out of the gate.

I agree. Having a strong running game and quick passing game helps take some of that pressure off the O line in pass pro. I believe those two things are the biggest reasons why our pass pro has been mostly adequate over the past few seasons in spite of not having studs across the line.

Just out of curiosity, who does have studs all across the line? Not many.

Like individual all pros? Nobody...playing at an all pro level as a "pass protection unit" including the extra blocker, FB, TE and RB's? The last 2 Superbowl winners. The last 3 losers in Atlanta, SF and KC did not have that (in that game).

We've given up one sack in entire playoffs

True. That's why sacks are a poor indicator for both pass protection and pass rushers. But it is a stat.

it's not a poor indicator.. it means the OL still gave time for the QB to throw

you think Jimmy would survive 19 sacks like Burrow did this past playoff run.. heck no. he can't even handle normal pocket pressure

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
True. But if he was facing that kind of pressure from game 1, things may have been a lot different. That Chiefs offense was pretty much set when he took over.

This was the original point. Agreed.

This is why so many have concerns about our current OL...it'll have an instant effect on Trey's early development, one way or another.

Yes. There is concern surrounding our O line. Trey has shown the ability to escape pressure and make throws on the run though. Good news is we have guys like Deebo, Kittle and possibly Aiyuk who can consistently get open.

Yeah, it's really just a matter of degree. We want him to trust his instincts on when to pull it down and for the OL and skill players to work in concert with him when he does go off schedule but we don't want him to do it to a degree he's abandoning the play scripts and learning bad habits and/or putting himself in unnecessary harm's way. Delicate balance especially right out of the gate.

I agree. Having a strong running game and quick passing game helps take some of that pressure off the O line in pass pro. I believe those two things are the biggest reasons why our pass pro has been mostly adequate over the past few seasons in spite of not having studs across the line.

I couldn't agree more. I remember when we had both T's out and Kyle just called like 8 passes in a row behind the LOS or at the LOS for like 124 yards of YAC. Kyle does and can scheme around pass protection issues as good as anyone. I think he has more weapons for that now too.

Love the point about the quick release. If Kyle can continue to scheme that primary open, Trey will get quicker and quicker at it and really build up some crucial trust. And once Kyle gets to a point where he can trust Trey, look out! That playbook will be wide open!!!

Good post NC!

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
True. But if he was facing that kind of pressure from game 1, things may have been a lot different. That Chiefs offense was pretty much set when he took over.

This was the original point. Agreed.

This is why so many have concerns about our current OL...it'll have an instant effect on Trey's early development, one way or another.

Yes. There is concern surrounding our O line. Trey has shown the ability to escape pressure and make throws on the run though. Good news is we have guys like Deebo, Kittle and possibly Aiyuk who can consistently get open.

Yeah, it's really just a matter of degree. We want him to trust his instincts on when to pull it down and for the OL and skill players to work in concert with him when he does go off schedule but we don't want him to do it to a degree he's abandoning the play scripts and learning bad habits and/or putting himself in unnecessary harm's way. Delicate balance especially right out of the gate.

I agree. Having a strong running game and quick passing game helps take some of that pressure off the O line in pass pro. I believe those two things are the biggest reasons why our pass pro has been mostly adequate over the past few seasons in spite of not having studs across the line.

Just out of curiosity, who does have studs all across the line? Not many.

Oh man, I remember when we did. Steve Wallace, Harris Barton, Jesse Sapolu, Guy McIntyre, Bubba Paris. Mike Shanahan's first few years at Denver had studs across their line, too. So it is possible, but exceedingly rare.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Love this

#49ers QB Trey Lance with the best answer of the day regarding other people's opinions on him.

Excellent question @grantcohn pic.twitter.com/P1ro4lsk1H

— Steph Sanchez (@stragosaurus) May 24, 2022

Yea...he gonna wreck this league with Shanahan.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
I don't agree with that. You can be a great player, and if you go to a bad team with bad coaching, it's very hard to overcome that, especially as a QB.

I agree with this. I think QB/OL/CB are coach/style/scheme dependent. If you go to a poorly coached team whose style/scheme doesn't fit your strengths makes it harder to develop IMO.

Even moreso for a QB. If a QB does not have a O line that can protect him and WR's that consistently get open. I don't care how talented they are, they are going to have a very tough time demonstrating their talent on the field.

Totally. Hell, just look at Mahomes, Allen, Brady, Wilson, Burrow, Stafford, etc. in "games" where their pass protection failed. If that's on a consistent basis, I can't think of one single factor that could ruin a QB career faster from the start.

Just thinking back to Jim Plunkett in New England. He got destroyed while there and had to be resurrected by Al Davis.

Good example! Steve Young too.

Montana had a great O line but he still got creamed sometimes. No line can always be perfect. Even with a good QB someone can still shoot a gap and blindside the QB. The Giants with Belichick as their DC were great at that.

Our unit pass protection basically ended both Montana and Young's career.

Yeah, the Giants were a brutal matchup for our smaller, quicker OL and Montana was murdered because of it. I hated those games.