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Originally posted by Wubbie:
QUESTION!
Regarding the debate on whether it's better for a player to develop--- is it better to redshirt a year and develop quietly, or have game reps. How has that shaken out in college, where redshirting is a common practice?
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
QUESTION!
Regarding the debate on whether it's better for a player to develop--- is it better to redshirt a year and develop quietly, or have game reps. How has that shaken out in college, where redshirting is a common practice?
Cream always rises. In college and NFL. If you can ball then you will.
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
I don't agree with that. You can be a great player, and if you go to a bad team with bad coaching, it's very hard to overcome that, especially as a QB.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
I don't agree with that. You can be a great player, and if you go to a bad team with bad coaching, it's very hard to overcome that, especially as a QB.
I agree with this. I think QB/OL/CB are coach/style/scheme dependent. If you go to a poorly coached team whose style/scheme doesn't fit your strengths makes it harder to develop IMO.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
I don't agree with that. You can be a great player, and if you go to a bad team with bad coaching, it's very hard to overcome that, especially as a QB.
I agree with this. I think QB/OL/CB are coach/style/scheme dependent. If you go to a poorly coached team whose style/scheme doesn't fit your strengths makes it harder to develop IMO.
Even moreso for a QB. If a QB does not have a O line that can protect him and WR's that consistently get open. I don't care how talented they are, they are going to have a very tough time demonstrating their talent on the field.
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
A low-light video is no more accurate than a highlight video. Not to mention, a great deal of those (such as the first one) are because of INEXPERIENCE, not physical traits. Almost all the rest (that weren't either bad reads or lack of anticipation) were entirely due to him trying to be "all arm," with bad footwork (and about a third or more of those are due to pressure). As I said, his arm is fine. His problem is that he trusted it too much, and didn't have proper lower body mechanics.
So basically you posted a red herring. Nice try though.
He was bad as a rookie. As I already said, lance was vastly superior as a rookie to Allen. This was being younger with less experience. So, as rookies, lance was the better player.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
I don't agree with that. You can be a great player, and if you go to a bad team with bad coaching, it's very hard to overcome that, especially as a QB.
I agree with this. I think QB/OL/CB are coach/style/scheme dependent. If you go to a poorly coached team whose style/scheme doesn't fit your strengths makes it harder to develop IMO.
Even moreso for a QB. If a QB does not have a O line that can protect him and WR's that consistently get open. I don't care how talented they are, they are going to have a very tough time demonstrating their talent on the field.
Totally. Hell, just look at Mahomes, Allen, Brady, Wilson, Burrow, Stafford, etc. in "games" where their pass protection failed. If that's on a consistent basis, I can't think of one single factor that could ruin a QB career faster from the start.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
I don't agree with that. You can be a great player, and if you go to a bad team with bad coaching, it's very hard to overcome that, especially as a QB.
I agree with this. I think QB/OL/CB are coach/style/scheme dependent. If you go to a poorly coached team whose style/scheme doesn't fit your strengths makes it harder to develop IMO.
Even moreso for a QB. If a QB does not have a O line that can protect him and WR's that consistently get open. I don't care how talented they are, they are going to have a very tough time demonstrating their talent on the field.
Totally. Hell, just look at Mahomes, Allen, Brady, Wilson, Burrow, Stafford, etc. in "games" where their pass protection failed. If that's on a consistent basis, I can't think of one single factor that could ruin a QB career faster from the start.
That Super Bowl against Tampa Bay, Mahomes faced more pressure than maybe any Super Bowl QB in history, but he looked like a superhero nonetheless. That was amazing from him. Hell, one of his throws in that blowout loss ended up being in the advertisement for Madden later that year.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
I don't agree with that. You can be a great player, and if you go to a bad team with bad coaching, it's very hard to overcome that, especially as a QB.
I agree with this. I think QB/OL/CB are coach/style/scheme dependent. If you go to a poorly coached team whose style/scheme doesn't fit your strengths makes it harder to develop IMO.
Even moreso for a QB. If a QB does not have a O line that can protect him and WR's that consistently get open. I don't care how talented they are, they are going to have a very tough time demonstrating their talent on the field.
Totally. Hell, just look at Mahomes, Allen, Brady, Wilson, Burrow, Stafford, etc. in "games" where their pass protection failed. If that's on a consistent basis, I can't think of one single factor that could ruin a QB career faster from the start.
That Super Bowl against Tampa Bay, Mahomes faced more pressure than maybe any Super Bowl QB in history, but he looked like a superhero nonetheless. That was amazing from him. Hell, one of his throws in that blowout loss ended up being in the advertisement for Madden later that year.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
True. But if he was facing that kind of pressure from game 1, things may have been a lot different. That Chiefs offense was pretty much set when he took over.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
True. But if he was facing that kind of pressure from game 1, things may have been a lot different. That Chiefs offense was pretty much set when he took over.
This was the original point. Agreed.
This is why so many have concerns about our current OL...it'll have an instant effect on Trey's early development, one way or another.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
True. But if he was facing that kind of pressure from game 1, things may have been a lot different. That Chiefs offense was pretty much set when he took over.
This was the original point. Agreed.
This is why so many have concerns about our current OL...it'll have an instant effect on Trey's early development, one way or another.
Yes. There is concern surrounding our O line. Trey has shown the ability to escape pressure and make throws on the run though. Good news is we have guys like Deebo, Kittle and possibly Aiyuk who can consistently get open.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
True. But if he was facing that kind of pressure from game 1, things may have been a lot different. That Chiefs offense was pretty much set when he took over.
This was the original point. Agreed.
This is why so many have concerns about our current OL...it'll have an instant effect on Trey's early development, one way or another.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
True. But if he was facing that kind of pressure from game 1, things may have been a lot different. That Chiefs offense was pretty much set when he took over.
This was the original point. Agreed.
This is why so many have concerns about our current OL...it'll have an instant effect on Trey's early development, one way or another.
Yes. There is concern surrounding our O line. Trey has shown the ability to escape pressure and make throws on the run though. Good news is we have guys like Deebo, Kittle and possibly Aiyuk who can consistently get open.
Yeah, it's really just a matter of degree. We want him to trust his instincts on when to pull it down and for the OL and skill players to work in concert with him when he does go off schedule but we don't want him to do it to a degree he's abandoning the play scripts and learning bad habits and/or putting himself in unnecessary harm's way. Delicate balance especially right out of the gate.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
True. But if he was facing that kind of pressure from game 1, things may have been a lot different. That Chiefs offense was pretty much set when he took over.
This was the original point. Agreed.
This is why so many have concerns about our current OL...it'll have an instant effect on Trey's early development, one way or another.
Yes, that's also true. Just like what happened to David Carr.
But I think Trey is better hands with Shanahan.