Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I have asked this question across multiple threads and it has never been answered.

What possible upside is there to keeping this pick so close to the vest? I would understand if we had the 5th pick, but the 3rd?

People keep talking about a smokescreen we started and I just dont understand why people believe that.

None unless they don't know what the Jets are doing.
My biggest thing is how do the other coaches, scouts, etc in the organization not know who they are taking? I'd prefer everybody be in unison rather than two guys doing their own thing. Granted, the decision wouldn't change but I just like organizational cohesion.

What's the point in telling everyone? A lot can happen like a guy named Rogers being available, bad pics of mcCokrle popping up, the Jets going all Jets...there's nothing to gain from telling everyone who you're taking.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I have asked this question across multiple threads and it has never been answered.

What possible upside is there to keeping this pick so close to the vest? I would understand if we had the 5th pick, but the 3rd?

People keep talking about a smokescreen we started and I just dont understand why people believe that.

None unless they don't know what the Jets are doing.
My biggest thing is how do the other coaches, scouts, etc in the organization not know who they are taking? I'd prefer everybody be in unison rather than two guys doing their own thing. Granted, the decision wouldn't change but I just like organizational cohesion.

What's the point in telling everyone? A lot can happen like a guy named Rogers being available, bad pics of mcCokrle popping up, the Jets going all Jets...there's nothing to gain from telling everyone who you're taking.

Oh I thought of one benefit to telling everyone who you're going to take, fans won't go crazy and stress out.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Lol he confirmed it was Lance and Jones as a backup. I'm curious what made Fields third, but oh well. Also how he mentioned Watson and Stafford, very interesting.

In many ways we got lucky. We paid the same for a 21 year old as Rams did for Stafford who's 33? I'd rather roll with the rookie in hopes Kyle develops him. obviously Watson is a mess so glad we didn't get blindsided by that.

The business with Fields is really interesting. You have to assume, I think, that the health issue pushed him out of the running. Purely as a player he is undoubtedly better than Jones. Yet Jones was the backup, not Fields. Was Fields such a bad fit for our system or was it health?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Answering my question with a question is not answering my question.

Also, I know my post was kind of all over the place, but not broadcasting your pick and "creating a smokescreen" are not one and the same. I understand there is no need to advertise who was in the plans, but people think we were creating a smokescreen about another player is headscratching to me.

Why was it SF creating a smokescreen though? It looks like the media made up s**t and everyone rolled with it....it created months worth of hot takes, a f**k ton of clicks, debates, the 3rd pick being the most gambled on pick on NFL history (with the NFL having gambling rights now), it made narratives that made more pick "tune in" at a higher rate then the Oscars and the World Series...for a draft lol.

also there's nothing to gain by saying who you want a month before the draft...a lot can happen then like a MVP possibly being available, someone could offer you a million picks, the Jets could go all Jets, some off field s**t shows up, most teams didn't even get medicals until the week of the draft.

Originally posted by English:
The business with Fields is really interesting. You have to assume, I think, that the health issue pushed him out of the running. Purely as a player he is undoubtedly better than Jones. Yet Jones was the backup, not Fields. Was Fields such a bad fit for our system or was it health?

Agree. Has to be the epilepsy thing that pushed him out. And the funny thing about Fields and what Lombardi is trying to say "public pressure" with Jones, if that were the case, why did we go with Lance when the vast majority of the public wanted Fields?

Originally posted by 49ersking:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ersking:
I tend to agree with Michael Lombardi when he says Shanahan changed his mind because of outside pressure.
At this point, these idiot so-called sports analysts have to say something everyday in the off season so people continue to watch their show.
The draft is done, the 49ers selected Lance, just go out and win the whole thing (with Jimmy or Lance whoever the heck it is). Two SB losses in 7 years, it's time to win one.

Why?

Logically break it down to me why you believe that garbage?

When an idiot and an intelligent person say the Sun rises in the East, you agree with both "on that issue". I guess the idiot is not always wrong.

When the first two picks were obvious, and you have the 3rd pick, there is no reason to make a big deal out of that. I think Shanahan and Lynch wouldn't waste time on some tricks, etc. I think they were genuinely uncertain who they would pick, hence the hesitation to openly talk about it. Nothing wrong with that. Based on their presser two days before the draft, both were uneasy, it seemed like.
So some discussion, some convincing had to happen.
Anyways, who cares at this point, the draft is over, time to move on, and more importantly, win!
It would be a shame if Lance was a bust.

Hmm...what benefit do you get for revealing your pick?!?

Kyle was very logical when he said - you are still competing with the teams behind you - so you want to give them as little time as possible to make their move.

Why didn't Falcons come out and say they'll draft Pitts - they knew first 3 picks were QBs. They were there at Fields and Trey Lance pro day 2s.

You get NOTHING out of telling ppl in advance about your draft plans.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by 49ersking:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ersking:
I tend to agree with Michael Lombardi when he says Shanahan changed his mind because of outside pressure.
At this point, these idiot so-called sports analysts have to say something everyday in the off season so people continue to watch their show.
The draft is done, the 49ers selected Lance, just go out and win the whole thing (with Jimmy or Lance whoever the heck it is). Two SB losses in 7 years, it's time to win one.

Why?

Logically break it down to me why you believe that garbage?

When an idiot and an intelligent person say the Sun rises in the East, you agree with both "on that issue". I guess the idiot is not always wrong.

When the first two picks were obvious, and you have the 3rd pick, there is no reason to make a big deal out of that. I think Shanahan and Lynch wouldn't waste time on some tricks, etc. I think they were genuinely uncertain who they would pick, hence the hesitation to openly talk about it. Nothing wrong with that. Based on their presser two days before the draft, both were uneasy, it seemed like.
So some discussion, some convincing had to happen.
Anyways, who cares at this point, the draft is over, time to move on, and more importantly, win!
It would be a shame if Lance was a bust.

Hmm...what benefit do you get for revealing your pick?!?

Kyle was very logical when he said - you are still competing with the teams behind you - so you want to give them as little time as possible to make their move.

Why didn't Falcons come out and say they'll draft Pitts - they knew first 3 picks were QBs. They were there at Fields and Trey Lance pro day 2s.

You get NOTHING out of telling ppl in advance about your draft plans.

Not to mention this got 49ers free publicity for weeks on end. Also a great litmus test to see if there are any leaks in the organization, passed with flying colors.

Don't be shocked that guys like Lombardi are twisting and writhing now that they look like clowns. It kills them that the niners used to leak damn near everything and now.....no leaks on Staley retiring, no leaks on trying to trade up to 3, no leaks on who they were going to pick.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Answering my question with a question is not answering my question.

Also, I know my post was kind of all over the place, but not broadcasting your pick and "creating a smokescreen" are not one and the same. I understand there is no need to advertise who was in the plans, but people think we were creating a smokescreen about another player is headscratching to me.

Why was it SF creating a smokescreen though? It looks like the media made up s**t and everyone rolled with it....it created months worth of hot takes, a f**k ton

I would guess rightly or wrongly the 49ers were concerned if they talked up Lance, the Jets (full of ex-49ers staff) might take him.

They probably had a good idea Wilson was 2, but didn't want to change the Jets minds on Lance.

What Shanny thinks about a QB probably holds more sway with the Jets then any other team in the NFL.

I really think if the 49ers traded to 1, the pick would still be Lance.

McEvoy said things about Lance he simply has not said about other QBs. It seems people in the know are insanely high on Lance.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I feel the need to repost my question, as I was getting all over the place and I didnt initially mean to ask what the point of keeping the pick a secret is.

My question is, since many people somehow believe we created a smokescreen about Mac Jones, is why? What possible reason would there be for us to put something out there to make people think we were taking someone else? Picks 1 and 2 were locked. So we essentially had the pick of the litter after Lawrence and Wilson.

So what upside is there to have others believing that we were picking someone we had no intention of picking?

I don't think the team made that smokescreen. That was made by the idiots in the media .

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I feel the need to repost my question, as I was getting all over the place and I didnt initially mean to ask what the point of keeping the pick a secret is.

My question is, since many people somehow believe we created a smokescreen about Mac Jones, is why? What possible reason would there be for us to put something out there to make people think we were taking someone else? Picks 1 and 2 were locked. So we essentially had the pick of the litter after Lawrence and Wilson.

So what upside is there to have others believing that we were picking someone we had no intention of picking?

I don't think the team made that smokescreen. That was made by the idiots in the media .

I mean, I agree. But there are legions of fans on this board who disagree.

Consider the possibility that they are wrong?

English summarized what I was trying to say perfectly.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Answering my question with a question is not answering my question.

Also, I know my post was kind of all over the place, but not broadcasting your pick and "creating a smokescreen" are not one and the same. I understand there is no need to advertise who was in the plans, but people think we were creating a smokescreen about another player is headscratching to me.

Why was it SF creating a smokescreen though? It looks like the media made up s**t and everyone rolled with it....it created months worth of hot takes, a f**k ton

I would guess rightly or wrongly the 49ers were concerned if they talked up Lance, the Jets (full of ex-49ers staff) might take him.

They probably had a good idea Wilson was 2, but didn't want to change the Jets minds on Lance.

What Shanny thinks about a QB probably holds more sway with the Jets then any other team in the NFL.

I really think if the 49ers traded to 1, the pick would still be Lance.

McEvoy said things about Lance he simply has not said about other QBs. It seems people in the know are insanely high on Lance.

Agreed on all points.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Answering my question with a question is not answering my question.

Also, I know my post was kind of all over the place, but not broadcasting your pick and "creating a smokescreen" are not one and the same. I understand there is no need to advertise who was in the plans, but people think we were creating a smokescreen about another player is headscratching to me.

Why was it SF creating a smokescreen though? It looks like the media made up s**t and everyone rolled with it....it created months worth of hot takes, a f**k ton

I would guess rightly or wrongly the 49ers were concerned if they talked up Lance, the Jets (full of ex-49ers staff) might take him.

They probably had a good idea Wilson was 2, but didn't want to change the Jets minds on Lance.

What Shanny thinks about a QB probably holds more sway with the Jets then any other team in the NFL.

I really think if the 49ers traded to 1, the pick would still be Lance.

McEvoy said things about Lance he simply has not said about other QBs. It seems people in the know are insanely high on Lance.

AGree, this is a damn good reason not to reveal your intentions.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I have asked this question across multiple threads and it has never been answered.

What possible upside is there to keeping this pick so close to the vest? I would understand if we had the 5th pick, but the 3rd?

People keep talking about a smokescreen we started and I just dont understand why people believe that.

Because Lawrence is the consensus #1 QB. Niners had Lance as their target. If Niners graded Lance higher than Zach Wilson, you'd make sure you don't let anyone know to prevent the risk of Jets changing their mind and picking Lance.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Answering my question with a question is not answering my question.

Also, I know my post was kind of all over the place, but not broadcasting your pick and "creating a smokescreen" are not one and the same. I understand there is no need to advertise who was in the plans, but people think we were creating a smokescreen about another player is headscratching to me.

Why was it SF creating a smokescreen though? It looks like the media made up s**t and everyone rolled with it....it created months worth of hot takes, a f**k ton

I would guess rightly or wrongly the 49ers were concerned if they talked up Lance, the Jets (full of ex-49ers staff) might take him.

They probably had a good idea Wilson was 2, but didn't want to change the Jets minds on Lance.

What Shanny thinks about a QB probably holds more sway with the Jets then any other team in the NFL.

I really think if the 49ers traded to 1, the pick would still be Lance.

McEvoy said things about Lance he simply has not said about other QBs. It seems people in the know are insanely high on Lance.

Lance was easily my fav. QB in the draft and that's the guy I wanted from the moment we traded up.

I believe Niners would have taken Trevor 1st but think they would have taken Lance at 2 over Wilson.

Don't see anyone passing on Trevor. I think his ceiling is also extremely high and he has the resume as well.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Answering my question with a question is not answering my question.

Also, I know my post was kind of all over the place, but not broadcasting your pick and "creating a smokescreen" are not one and the same. I understand there is no need to advertise who was in the plans, but people think we were creating a smokescreen about another player is headscratching to me.

Why was it SF creating a smokescreen though? It looks like the media made up s**t and everyone rolled with it....it created months worth of hot takes, a f**k ton

I would guess rightly or wrongly the 49ers were concerned if they talked up Lance, the Jets (full of ex-49ers staff) might take him.

They probably had a good idea Wilson was 2, but didn't want to change the Jets minds on Lance.

What Shanny thinks about a QB probably holds more sway with the Jets then any other team in the NFL.

I really think if the 49ers traded to 1, the pick would still be Lance.

McEvoy said things about Lance he simply has not said about other QBs. It seems people in the know are insanely high on Lance.

Lance was easily my fav. QB in the draft and that's the guy I wanted from the moment we traded up.

I believe Niners would have taken Trevor 1st but think they would have taken Lance at 2 over Wilson.

Don't see anyone passing on Trevor. I think his ceiling is also extremely high and he has the resume as well.

i think they wouldve taken wilson over lance

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I have asked this question across multiple threads and it has never been answered.

What possible upside is there to keeping this pick so close to the vest? I would understand if we had the 5th pick, but the 3rd?

People keep talking about a smokescreen we started and I just dont understand why people believe that.

And this has been answered numerous times.

There is 0 to gain from saying who the pick is. Hell the NFL actually asks teams to do that...which is why Lawrence pick isn't announced with 9.5 minutes left on the clock.

Also if you actually watched the press conference or read what was said it was clear why the secrecy. They wanted unfiltered discussion with everyone who was involved with the process. Kyle and John didn't want to influence their guys by tipping their preference.

Fact is we didn't actually start the smoke screen. We just did nothing to put the smoke out. There is a difference.