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Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by LilLeeroy:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You said they traded up SPECIFICALLY for lance. Yes?

They traded up for Lance, but didn't want to end up with another Patrick Mahomes situation where they pass on somebody that they didn't really evaluate at all. So they did analysis on all 3 QBs without coming to an official decision.

How if we are led to believe that they didn't inform each other for a few days prior? It didn't add up

Straight from the horses mouth

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Chris Simms: "I'm not sure the 49ers really needed to trade up from 12 to get Trey Lance."

He's right. And so was Lombardi. Lynch and Shanahan caved in to pressure to select Lance. Too much smoke and evidence. What disappoints me the most is that they said the presser that would listen to social media etc, and they were going to do their job.

No one IN THE 49ERS ORGANIZATION even knew who the pick was until draft week except Lynch and Shanahan. Whatever "evidence" there was was COMPLETELY MADE UP. None of the scouts knew. They found out ON DEAFT DAY for f**ks sake. Jed didn't know until the day before the draft.

Tell me: if the SCOUTS found out it was Lance ON DRAFT DAY, how did the media "know" it was Jones?

You got played by the media.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Then why did lynch say " you aren't f**king with me, are you?" A few nights before. Sounds like he was surprised, and couldn't believe it. Sort of relieved too.

Again back in January kyle said Lance was the dude to Lynch...he sent him film. He was the 3rd QB....they then did scouting (separately) and he said to Lynch are you ready to pick Lance after it was all said and done. Neither guy influenced each other's evaluation. This also allowed for nothing to leak...nfl insiders were guessing and bouncing s**t off each other to create a story.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Chris Simms: "I'm not sure the 49ers really needed to trade up from 12 to get Trey Lance."

He's right. And so was Lombardi. Lynch and Shanahan caved in to pressure to select Lance. Too much smoke and evidence. What disappoints me the most is that they said the presser that would listen to social media etc, and they were going to do their job.

Yeah, who knows. David Lombardi and Barrows thought the move was initially for Mac too (highly suspect it was anything else) and Kyle confirmed it came down to those two too. Never mentioned Fields. Staff and owner thought it was Mac too...has to be for a valid reason.

Who knows what to believe anymore. LOL

You can believe anonymous "sources" — which requires believing Lynch and Shanahan are both liars AND idiots (for giving up three picks for Jones), or you can believe the words that came out of their mouths, which was that the trade was made because they loved Lance, wanted to go deeper into him and Fields, but were comfortable taking Jones if Lance the man wasn't as good as Lance the tape.
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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
If they listened to the fans then they won't last as HC and GM.

The social media was wrong, now they are pissed they were wrong and want to change the narrative. Thats in their best interest. Kyle and John have no interest to protect now, that the draft is over. I mean Mike Shanahan has worked with both *mobile and pocket QBs.* Same with Kyle. What reason do they have to hide the ball now? I think the social media narrative that Kyle prefers a particular style of QB is shot down by the Trey pick. Even John basically said publicly its Kyle's choice, not John's.
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I think they made the move up because they identified several QB candidates worthy of trade up (rookie QB deal was necessary to maintain roster). I believe Lawrence, Wilson, and Lance were the original QBs, it was more about moving into a position to properly conduct their down selection without the subterfuge. Then through the process, Lance was identified as the leader.

Lawrence had been a lock to Jacksonville for months. I doubt they did anything more than the most very basic reviews of his film. The Jaguars had given him a playbook nearly a month prior to the draft.
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Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by LilLeeroy:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You said they traded up SPECIFICALLY for lance. Yes?

They traded up for Lance, but didn't want to end up with another Patrick Mahomes situation where they pass on somebody that they didn't really evaluate at all. So they did analysis on all 3 QBs without coming to an official decision.

I think they made the move up because they identified several QB candidates worthy of trade up (rookie QB deal was necessary to maintain roster). I believe Lawrence, Wilson, and Lance were the original QBs, it was more about moving into a position to properly conduct their down selection without the subterfuge. Then through the process, Lance was identified as the leader.

Covid affected the draft too. Nobody could do proper private workouts because of it. ShanaLynch had to pay a draft premium because of Covid to properly evaluate a unique class of QBs, and a QB is a unique player on a football team. And this was (on top of the covid sitation) a really gifted class of QBs. 8 QBs taken in the top 3 rounds is supposedly a very rare occurrence. I mean there are still folks that belive the earth is still flat.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I hate to break it to you guys, but lombardi is right. There is waaay too much evidence to suggest otherwise. If there were no leaks how did schefter know that it was trey lance gaining steam at the end? He didn't need to report it, he didn't need to make that up. He could have stuck with his mac jones prediction. They caved and now we have to hope that it works out. I'm disappointed in the whole process, starting with the trade up. I think shanahan panicked. I think giving up two first rounders was a terrible move. Just all around disappointed.

Real simple:

Scouts — who were NOT told by Lynch and Shanahan who they favored — ranted to their family members because they felt like Lynch and Shanahan weren't listening, and so THEY assumed it was Jones, and then family or friends were contacted by media.

The HUGE MISTAKE that was made in this hypothetical scenario (which I believe is very likely right) is that the scouts failed to realize Shanahan was DELIBERATELY vague and stoic in the meetings because he (a) wanted unbiased reports on the prospects and (b) didn't want ANY leaks getting to a rival team. He even said in his career teams have jumped right in from of his team and taken his guy because of these leaks.

In short, we have SCOUTS misunderstanding Shanahan's stoicism as support for Jones (because the scouts in question were arguing for Fields or Lance), them ranting about it to someone, and media heads hearing it that way.

There's the sources of your "evidence." It was speculation made by people who were attempting to read Shanahan — who was DELIBERATELY being obtuse — which made its way to the media and was then taken as gospel, when all along it was a misunderstanding.

That is BY FAR the most likely scenario, in some form or another, outside of media people just making stuff up or getting their information from OTHER teams (which us suspect anyway).
The biggest sign to me that Lance was the target at 3 is that they didn't send anyone of significance to his original pro day that went down before the trade up.
Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
Originally posted by IceMan1763:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2942548-49ers-kyle-shanahan-john-lynch-explain-how-they-decided-on-trey-lance.amp.html

Straight from lynch's mouth

You aren't f**king with me, are you?

But yes. Lance from the start.

Do you understand the context of that conversation AT ALL? Do you know that Lynch and Kyle never shared their preferences? Lynch was ECSTATIC they both loved the same guy.

So yes, Lance from the start. Got any more brain busters for me?

Yeah I can see the meeting now..

Lynch: WHo do you like, Kyle?

Shanahan: I'm not going to tell you now. How about you?

Lynch: I'd rather not say either. Hey why don;t we surprise each other right before the draft??

nah. if you actually listen to the interview they say they let each other know who they liked, but didn't discuss it at length so they wouldn't cloud each other's judgement. And they both liked Lance.
I thought this was: the 49ers drafted Trey Lance thread?

And not: the 49ers didn't draft my guy BUTTHURT let me b***h about it like it will change the fact WE DRAFTED Trey Lance thread.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
No one IN THE 49ERS ORGANIZATION even knew who the pick was until draft week except Lynch and Shanahan. Whatever "evidence" there was was COMPLETELY MADE UP. None of the scouts knew. They found out ON DEAFT DAY for f**ks sake. Jed didn't know until the day before the draft.

Tell me: if the SCOUTS found out it was Lance ON DRAFT DAY, how did the media "know" it was Jones?

You got played by the media.
Pretty much...the media for the most part is for entertainment. NFL made bank from this, all those dudes made cash and had content to talk about for 2 months because of it.

Is what it is....we got our guy
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I thought this was: the 49ers drafted Trey Lance thread?

And not: the 49ers didn't draft my guy BUTTHURT let me b***h about it like it will change the fact WE DRAFTED Trey Lance thread.


HA
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I hate to break it to you guys, but lombardi is right. There is waaay too much evidence to suggest otherwise. If there were no leaks how did schefter know that it was trey lance gaining steam at the end? He didn't need to report it, he didn't need to make that up. He could have stuck with his mac jones prediction. They caved and now we have to hope that it works out. I'm disappointed in the whole process, starting with the trade up. I think shanahan panicked. I think giving up two first rounders was a terrible move. Just all around disappointed.

Real simple:

Scouts — who were NOT told by Lynch and Shanahan who they favored — ranted to their family members because they felt like Lynch and Shanahan weren't listening, and so THEY assumed it was Jones, and then family or friends were contacted by media.

The HUGE MISTAKE that was made in this hypothetical scenario (which I believe is very likely right) is that the scouts failed to realize Shanahan was DELIBERATELY vague and stoic in the meetings because he (a) wanted unbiased reports on the prospects and (b) didn't want ANY leaks getting to a rival team. He even said in his career teams have jumped right in from of his team and taken his guy because of these leaks.

In short, we have SCOUTS misunderstanding Shanahan's stoicism as support for Jones (because the scouts in question were arguing for Fields or Lance), them ranting about it to someone, and media heads hearing it that way.

There's the sources of your "evidence." It was speculation made by people who were attempting to read Shanahan — who was DELIBERATELY being obtuse — which made its way to the media and was then taken as gospel, when all along it was a misunderstanding.

That is BY FAR the most likely scenario, in some form or another, outside of media people just making stuff up or getting their information from OTHER teams (which us suspect anyway).

I agree. Especially considering Kyle's comment about it being interesting to see how people inside the building were handling things.

I haven't been in many situations in my career like that and when you get an opportunity to go through something like that, it is really cool to find out about people in your building, how they handle it. It's really cool to kind of watch people in the media, too, a little bit and just see who gives opinions, who gives some sources that you watch it and you're like, 'All right, I know that's not true. So where's that going?' And you just get to see people for two months and how things are. I haven't been in many situations like that and it was kind of neat to see. You learn a lot about your organization.
[ Edited by a49erfan77 on May 4, 2021 at 9:13 AM ]
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Originally posted by LilLeeroy:
The "Kyle wanted Mac Jones theory the whole time but caved to fan pressure" is such a strange theory that would require literally sub-BOB level of competence from just about every single person in our organization to be true.

So what's more likely that or the media pushed the 5th rated QB by literally everybody on us to generate clicks?

Agree, it doesn't make sense. Lance was Kyle's pick and he wouldn't be kyles pick (giving up 3 first rounders) without some serious thought and game planning. Both Kyle and John have to ok that move to #3 and they wouldn't do it without talking to each other about the possible picks at #3 (Lawrence, Zach, and the three other QB's). Both shanahans have had success working with both mobile and pocket QBs. The narrative that they only prefer a pocket QB is wong.
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