Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
He got a concussion vs the Bills in the divisional playoff game a year or two ago.

He's never missed a start outside of having COVID last yr.

Jackson has never missed a game due to injury in his four-year NFL career. The only games in which he didn't play were the 2019 season finale (when the Ravens had already clinched the No. 1 seed in the AFC) and Week 12 last season in Pittsburgh (after he had tested positive for COVID-19).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
He got a concussion vs the Bills in the divisional playoff game a year or two ago.

He's never missed a start outside of having COVID last yr.

Jackson has never missed a game due to injury in his four-year NFL career. The only games in which he didn't play were the 2019 season finale (when the Ravens had already clinched the No. 1 seed in the AFC) and Week 12 last season in Pittsburgh (after he had tested positive for COVID-19).

He also averages 12 rushing attempts per game.

We've had this conversation many times but the evidence doesn't show that 'running Qbs' get hurt more. Look at all the serious injuries that happen to QBs in the pocket. Brady's only serious injury happened in the pocket. Jimmy's ankle injury. His thumb injury. Wilson's finger injury. I could fill the page with all the pocket QBs that missed time after getting hurt. Stationary targets are easier to hit and absorb more punishment when their leg is planted. It may not be as bad as it used to be with the rules being what they are but injuries still happen.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BSofSF:
Yes, like winding up, throwing it too hard, throwing it without touch, throwing it inaccurately, and a desire to run north-south. How is it so controversial to compare obvious similarities between Lance and Kaepernick? The key distinction, you argue, is that Lance is looking down field and is going to make the plays that Kaepernick couldn't. My reply to that is, fine, when he is doing that we'll know. Won't need to study tape of where his eyes and feet are on still pause, because he'll be consistently moving chains and breaking the backs of defenses. He's not there yet. I'm not bitter that he's not there yet. It was well advertised that he'll need time to sit and develop. But, in the meantime, I'd rather see us try to make the playoffs this year with Jimmy.

LOL talk about being dramatic with takes....his "wind up" is nothing compared to Kap. You've got QB coaches talking about it saying it's not an issue. He has fast hands which helps with any "longer" throw. Go look around the league plenty of QBs don't have tight compact releases. It's literally the one thing that Jimmy does well and probably what you're use to seeing. The whole throwing without touch is such a bad take too. He throws it hard when he has too. tight window throws can't flutter in there, especially with these middle of the field throws into traffic. He had no problem throwing with touch on screens and to juice on those hot routes.

He is BY FAR more twitchy then Kap. He made moves inside the pocket to get around pressure that Kap can't make. WHY not compare him to Josh Allen? Both weren't 5 star recruits, both played in smaller colleges, both have elite skill sets, both have had accuracy issues (Allen was actually worse), both didn't have ideal mechanics coming into the league, both relied on their legs early into their career.

Why do you think we make the playoffs with Jimmy?

Why don't I compare him to Josh Allen? Because I don't watch Josh Allen play much. I watch the 49ers. I agree that Lance is more fluid of an athlete than Kaepernick. The similarities I see are more in the passing. Strong arms, but lacking precision and touch. I'll stop there because there will be no appeasing a man who has 85,000 posts.

So you don't watch other teams but you come on here with a strong opinion, and then you're gonna keep the same stance because youre ignorant? Do I have that right lol

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Well since you go back to Warner and McNair I will go back to
Joe Namath
Bart Starr
Ken Stabler
Anyways Trey played like 13 games and used his legs in big games as opposed to his arm. That doesn't work with the big boys

Only it does in today's game. The league is setup for that now. The rules have changed...we all want a guy that can do both and Lance will require more time to focus on in the pocket play...but any logical patient fan should understand this.

It works with one guy, Lamar, who is nothing like Trey. Lamar has elite, as in off the charts quickness, twitch, agility, body control and long speed. Trey is not elite in any of those.
Lamar is the only qb close to using his legs as much as his arms. Trey is already hurt after one game of running 16 times. He cannot sustain that.
Your takes continue to be proved as crap yet you keep coming back for more. That's admirable

LOL that's rich coming from you.

Yeah you're right Wilson never uses his legs, Dak never uses his legs, Herbert, Watson, Mahomes, Allen, Murray etc...I'm sure every single one is as "twitchy and fast as Lamar" s**t Steve young isn't Lamar Jackson and he ran just fine.

No one is saying Lance needs to run 20x a game. That will not be the norm once he actually get's to play football. That will absolutely be a threat and should be.

The fact is most young uber athletes are becoming QBs. It's not just stand in the pocket and throw 30x a game. The league has changed, the rules have changed. There's free yards for QBs on the ground. 70% of the league is playing 11 on 11 now. That is NOT gonna change with who's becoming QBs. You'd think you'd realize that being a college football fan, but please continue to pretend you know what you're talking about...you've convinced all of us lol.

Sorry you didn't get your QB. Sorry about your Bama loss

Trey will be ready after the bye week, i ain't worried.

Lamar averages 6 ypc. Lance is currently at 5.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
We've had this conversation many times but the evidence doesn't show that 'running Qbs' get hurt more. Look at all the serious injuries that happen to QBs in the pocket. Brady's only serious injury happened in the pocket. Jimmy's ankle injury. His thumb injury. Wilson's finger injury. I could fill the page with all the pocket QBs that missed time after getting hurt. Stationary targets are easier to hit and absorb more punishment when their leg is planted. It may not be as bad as it used to be with the rules being what they are but injuries still happen.

Yeah I'm pretty sure there's a stat that says QBs who get hit a lot get hurt more than QBs who don't get hit. If it's inside the pocket or outside I just think QBs should avoid getting hit as much as possible.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You're the one saying how s**tty indys defense is. One player doesn't make a defense. Yes, Buckner should have never been traded.

Back to Lamar, he looks great against s**tty defenses. There is no way around it. He is a special player, but he needs to get over that hump. And Lance is nowhere near the runner Lamar is. Lamar is superfast and ellusive. Lance looks much slower and not ellusive at all. I guess that GPS wasn't accurate.

They looked s**tty last night vs Lamar yes.

Lamar knows when to get down, Lance is a work in progress there for sure. He doesn't have to be Lamar as a runner to have success with his feet though...he avg what 5.6 YPC and almost 100 yards on the ground on Sunday? He moved around in the pocket and escaped pressure, I'm sure he missed some reads but that will happen with a kid that hasn't played football in over a yr. Still AZ was bringing heat on him from the start of the game. Overall he played better than I thought he would.

Not sure why people think a 230 QB would be as "elusive" as a 210lb QB to begin with.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
We've had this conversation many times but the evidence doesn't show that 'running Qbs' get hurt more. Look at all the serious injuries that happen to QBs in the pocket. Brady's only serious injury happened in the pocket. Jimmy's ankle injury. His thumb injury. Wilson's finger injury. I could fill the page with all the pocket QBs that missed time after getting hurt. Stationary targets are easier to hit and absorb more punishment when their leg is planted. It may not be as bad as it used to be with the rules being what they are but injuries still happen.

I'd go as far to Sat that stationary Qbs are more likely to take punishment than a QB with mobility, due to the fact they don't have the ability to escape the pressure, avoiding big hits by using their legs more to scramble from oncoming traffic. Aslong as the mobile Qb knows how to Go down before being hit ( something Trey will have to learn ) I don't see there being any further risk involved regarding a mobile Qb Vs a pocket QB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BSofSF:
Why don't I compare him to Josh Allen? Because I don't watch Josh Allen play much. I watch the 49ers. I agree that Lance is more fluid of an athlete than Kaepernick. The similarities I see are more in the passing. Strong arms, but lacking precision and touch. I'll stop there because there will be no appeasing a man who has 85,000 posts.

Lol what in the world does my post count have to do with anything? Literally nothing...I simply disagree with your comparison, it's very closeminded and I can see why, you don't watch anything but 49er games apparently.

If "close-minded" is watching the sports and activities of my three kids rather than DVR-ing Josh Allen, yeah, give me some more of that. And the reference to your 85,000 posts is that, in your NY-style, you're going to just pave over other peoples opinion with volume to keep your narrative rolling. Go Jets! Or are you a Giants man?

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
We've had this conversation many times but the evidence doesn't show that 'running Qbs' get hurt more. Look at all the serious injuries that happen to QBs in the pocket. Brady's only serious injury happened in the pocket. Jimmy's ankle injury. His thumb injury. Wilson's finger injury. I could fill the page with all the pocket QBs that missed time after getting hurt. Stationary targets are easier to hit and absorb more punishment when their leg is planted. It may not be as bad as it used to be with the rules being what they are but injuries still happen.

Agreed. There's also a huge difference between stationary, mobile, and running qbs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
Well since you go back to Warner and McNair I will go back to
Joe Namath
Bart Starr
Ken Stabler
Anyways Trey played like 13 games and used his legs in big games as opposed to his arm. That doesn't work with the big boys

Only it does in today's game. The league is setup for that now. The rules have changed...we all want a guy that can do both and Lance will require more time to focus on in the pocket play...but any logical patient fan should understand this.

It works with one guy, Lamar, who is nothing like Trey. Lamar has elite, as in off the charts quickness, twitch, agility, body control and long speed. Trey is not elite in any of those.
Lamar is the only qb close to using his legs as much as his arms. Trey is already hurt after one game of running 16 times. He cannot sustain that.
Your takes continue to be proved as crap yet you keep coming back for more. That's admirable

LOL that's rich coming from you.

Yeah you're right Wilson never uses his legs, Dak never uses his legs, Herbert, Watson, Mahomes, Allen, Murray etc...I'm sure every single one is as "twitchy and fast as Lamar" s**t Steve young isn't Lamar Jackson and he ran just fine.

No one is saying Lance needs to run 20x a game. That will not be the norm once he actually get's to play football. That will absolutely be a threat and should be.

The fact is most young uber athletes are becoming QBs. It's not just stand in the pocket and throw 30x a game. The league has changed, the rules have changed. There's free yards for QBs on the ground. 70% of the league is playing 11 on 11 now. That is NOT gonna change with who's becoming QBs. You'd think you'd realize that being a college football fan, but please continue to pretend you know what you're talking about...you've convinced all of us lol.

Sorry you didn't get your QB. Sorry about your Bama loss

Again, none of those guys are like Lamar, yes they all can and will run, but Lamar is the only one who uses his legs just as much as his arm. My point is that Lance is not like Lamar, he will have to develop much better passing skills before he becomes a threat.

Let's just hope he starts from here on out, he needs the reps…..I agree with you on that. Unfortunately he's already hurt. I'm getting Nick Senzel vibes already with Trey having an injured finger and knee already. Senzel was the second overall pick for the Reds and his development has almost been completely halted by vertigo, knee, elbow, and finger injuries.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BSofSF:
Why don't I compare him to Josh Allen? Because I don't watch Josh Allen play much. I watch the 49ers. I agree that Lance is more fluid of an athlete than Kaepernick. The similarities I see are more in the passing. Strong arms, but lacking precision and touch. I'll stop there because there will be no appeasing a man who has 85,000 posts.

Lol what in the world does my post count have to do with anything? Literally nothing...I simply disagree with your comparison, it's very closeminded and I can see why, you don't watch anything but 49er games apparently.

If "close-minded" is watching the sports and activities of my three kids rather than DVR-ing Josh Allen, yeah, give me some more of that. And the reference to your 85,000 posts is that, in your NY-style, you're going to just pave over other peoples opinion with volume to keep your narrative rolling. Go Jets! Or are you a Giants man?

Yeah and it appears that dude lives on Twitter and forms his qb opinions from random son that website. The world would be much better off without twitter/mini rant

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yes he has.

When? He missed time in a game because he had to take a s**t once. He missed on game because of COVID. He missed one game in three years in college.

Google is your friend.

Maybe listen to your own advice? Instead of making a snarky "go google it"

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32308712/lamar-jackson-sits-baltimore-ravens-practice-due-sore-back

Jackson has never missed a game due to injury in his four-year NFL career. The only games in which he didn't play were the 2019 season finale (when the Ravens had already clinched the No. 1 seed in the AFC) and Week 12 last season in Pittsburgh (after he had tested positive for COVID-19).

My bad. Google is littered with his numerous injuries throughout his career but I stand corrected if he actually didn't miss an NFL game. Tough SOB. IMHO, these things catch up eventually.