Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Damn looking at the replay he had space to easily just jump for the pylon. But yea, rookie mistake thinking he could bulldoze nfl players

In the FCS, TD.



In the NFL, stonewalled. He'll learn.

Looks like the defenders got to him sooner in the FCS.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Damn looking at the replay he had space to easily just jump for the pylon. But yea, rookie mistake thinking he could bulldoze nfl players

In the FCS, TD.



In the NFL, stonewalled. He'll learn.

Yup. Give him a few years in an NFL weight room like the defenders and he'll be making that play. Dudes a rookie and I am super super disappointed in all the 49ers fans we have s**tting on him right now.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Trey had a good first start. Anyone that is saying otherwise is a hater. THats it.

the pass got away from him on the first INT but other than that a real impressive showing. He looked like he was in control out there. I think that bodes we'll going forward.

Shanny's playcalling was really disappointing. I'm starting to wonder if having him as HC is best thing for Treys development.

I agree the playcalling left me scratching my head...often.

As to Lance, he clearly was not seeing the field well, not anticipating where his receivers would be. A good part of the reason for his passes being batted down was his hesitation in throwing the ball. By the time he took that extra hop or pumped the ball an extra time, the DL was too close and had too good an idea of where he was trying to go with the ball.

It wasn't a bad game, but it would stretch credibility to call it a good one. Both he and Shanahan will have to get a lot better and a lot more consistent if he is to remain the starter and this team makes the playoffs.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Just barely a 50% completion avg. That's not going to get it done in Kyle's offense. Hopefully that is something that can be improved upon. I would hate to see him become one of those guys who can put up decent numbers because of his ability to hit the occasional long ball but can't make the underneath game work because he can't hit a 10 yard slant when he needs to. Time will tell I guess. Interesting to see how many people in here are already willing to bag the season just so Lance can get more playing time. 'The Faithful'. Not much I would say.

That's exactly what he is right now. And that's not a sustainable way to win games. Part of the reason I thought Mac was a better fit for Shannahans offense is the short and intermediate game. Where Trey throws high, hard, wobbly, behind, etc…Mac his a lot more accurate. Yes, some are catchable, but the goal is to lead the back or receiver and get them moving forward. Trey threw an easy one in Deebos back hip….those and the quick slants should be automatic pitches and catches. I believe that's a big part of the reason Kyle doesn't trust him to throw in short yardage situations.

I don't know, I suspect the jury is still out on Jones as it is with all of the other rookie QBs in this draft. A lot of the talking head chatter was how this class was going to be like the 82 class or whatever year it was that so many rookies panned out. Or the year Eli, Big Ben, Philip River and Drew Brees all kind of showed. So far I am not really seeing it, but it's still early. I can certainly understand the desire for a more mobile QB given the Division we're in. Saw Kyle talking about that in an interview with Maiocco saying how the added element of a mobile QB could help broaden the play calling options. I think Jones probably ended up in the right spot. Lance is very young and not very experienced. I suppose it will take two or three years to figure out how what they have actually invested in. Fingers crossed I guess.

I'm team 2021 Garoppolo. But Lance looked fine to me. Can absolutely see him as a top 5 QB. Traits are there and showing up on the field.

Release is coachable. Accuracy is coachable. Awareness comes with time.

Originally posted by ramonalejandro:
Steve Young and Aaron Rodgers were sitting behind two HOF QBs on regularly contending teams. In both cases they played back up for several years in an era where teams could hold onto young QBs. The option of holding onto Trey for 3 years like GB did Rodgers before he's a full fledged starter just isn't there. Jimmy will be gone by next season whether anyone here likes it or not. So if Trey is starting next year let's get him his reps and prepare him because there is no way Trey has all of the time you're talking about to sit and there's no greater way to develop him out of gaining starting reps.

And yet Kaep and Mahomes benefitted from Alex Smith in front of them for just a season. Mahomes looked ready by Week 17 of his rookie season when he got a chance to start.

I'm not saying three years. I'm pretty sure everyone's operating with the assumption it's Trey's team next year. If Jimmy starts, Trey will get to watch how Jimmy prepares in a pro-style gameplan. Under Jimmy, we'll probably get the last Wild Card spot. I don't anticipate a deep run, but hey… anything can happen in the playoffs.

If you start Trey now, the gameplan will be total Running QB Read Option gameplan. The idea is for Trey to operate the full pro-style gameplan that has the designed runs sprinkled in. And along the way, he's going to get beat up since he doesn't know how to protect himself yet.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Trey had a good first start. Anyone that is saying otherwise is a hater. THats it.

the pass got away from him on the first INT but other than that a real impressive showing. He looked like he was in control out there. I think that bodes we'll going forward.

Shanny's playcalling was really disappointing. I'm starting to wonder if having him as HC is best thing for Treys development.

I agree the playcalling left me scratching my head...often.

As to Lance, he clearly was not seeing the field well, not anticipating where his receivers would be. A good part of the reason for his passes being batted down was his hesitation in throwing the ball. By the time he took that extra hop or pumped the ball an extra time, the DL was too close and had too good an idea of where he was trying to go with the ball.

It wasn't a bad game, but it would stretch credibility to call it a good one. Both he and Shanahan will have to get a lot better and a lot more consistent if he is to remain the starter and this team makes the playoffs.

I think you are reading FAR too much into it and asserting facts that are actually opinions. He's a rookie and a rookie from an FCS conference, he's just not sure of what he's seeing. You have NO CLUE if he knows where his receivers are supposed to be or not and his play did not give you any concrete evidence of that fact.

Originally posted by Goatie:
At this stage being his first start and the fact he has only played 3 halves of football plus a few reps he is playing where someone with that amount of NFL experience should be playing. He is not setting the world on fire and nor should people expect him to. He would have learned a ton.

But with a 51% completion rate, accuracy issues and feel issues he is not at the standard needed to be our starting QB at the moment. It was a tough game and he certainly could not be called a bust.

He needs more time to develop and let us all know whether he can go to the next level as his potential is pointing to.

At the moment JG is still miles ahead. He will be keeping that job all this year and I still expect him to have the top job next years Despite the logic of The Gorer lol

It's not Lance's fault that he was drafted where he was, but when a team gives up the capital the Niners gave to draft Lance in the #3 slot it is reasonable to expect more, I get that rookies make mistakes, but he's going to have to improve the accuracy. I have expected to see more, partly because he was so hyped by the local media. The good news, he does have ability if he can learn from his mistakes and improve. Some guys do, some guys don't. Beathard never improved, Kaepernick never improved, Smith improved, Young improved. I will be rooting for Lance. I think he wants to be good. This year looks screwed though.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Trey had a good first start. Anyone that is saying otherwise is a hater. THats it.

the pass got away from him on the first INT but other than that a real impressive showing. He looked like he was in control out there. I think that bodes we'll going forward.

Shanny's playcalling was really disappointing. I'm starting to wonder if having him as HC is best thing for Treys development.

I agree the playcalling left me scratching my head...often.

As to Lance, he clearly was not seeing the field well, not anticipating where his receivers would be. A good part of the reason for his passes being batted down was his hesitation in throwing the ball. By the time he took that extra hop or pumped the ball an extra time, the DL was too close and had too good an idea of where he was trying to go with the ball.

It wasn't a bad game, but it would stretch credibility to call it a good one. Both he and Shanahan will have to get a lot better and a lot more consistent if he is to remain the starter and this team makes the playoffs.

That's fair. I called it a good game based on a rookie first game curve.

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by Goatie:
At this stage being his first start and the fact he has only played 3 halves of football plus a few reps he is playing where someone with that amount of NFL experience should be playing. He is not setting the world on fire and nor should people expect him to. He would have learned a ton.

But with a 51% completion rate, accuracy issues and feel issues he is not at the standard needed to be our starting QB at the moment. It was a tough game and he certainly could not be called a bust.

He needs more time to develop and let us all know whether he can go to the next level as his potential is pointing to.

At the moment JG is still miles ahead. He will be keeping that job all this year and I still expect him to have the top job next years Despite the logic of The Gorer lol

It's not Lance's fault that he was drafted where he was, but when a team gives up the capital the Niners gave to draft Lance in the #3 slot it is reasonable to expect more, I get that rookies make mistakes, but he's going to have to improve the accuracy. I have expected to see more, partly because he was so hyped by the local media. The good news, he does have ability if he can learn from his mistakes and improve. Some guys do, some guys don't. Beathard never improved, Kaepernick never improved, Smith improved, Young improved. I will be rooting for Lance. I think he wants to be good. This year looks screwed though.

I mean thats on you for falling for the hype. Our media makes this team out to be juggernauts every offseason. Remember how much are Dline depth was talked up? Lol its just Bosa and Armstead pretty much. Ebukaum, key, hurst, Jones, etc have all been let downs.

Hell reports were jimmy looked better then ever. Hes still been pedestrian as hell.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by Goatie:
At this stage being his first start and the fact he has only played 3 halves of football plus a few reps he is playing where someone with that amount of NFL experience should be playing. He is not setting the world on fire and nor should people expect him to. He would have learned a ton.

But with a 51% completion rate, accuracy issues and feel issues he is not at the standard needed to be our starting QB at the moment. It was a tough game and he certainly could not be called a bust.

He needs more time to develop and let us all know whether he can go to the next level as his potential is pointing to.

At the moment JG is still miles ahead. He will be keeping that job all this year and I still expect him to have the top job next years Despite the logic of The Gorer lol

It's not Lance's fault that he was drafted where he was, but when a team gives up the capital the Niners gave to draft Lance in the #3 slot it is reasonable to expect more, I get that rookies make mistakes, but he's going to have to improve the accuracy. I have expected to see more, partly because he was so hyped by the local media. The good news, he does have ability if he can learn from his mistakes and improve. Some guys do, some guys don't. Beathard never improved, Kaepernick never improved, Smith improved, Young improved. I will be rooting for Lance. I think he wants to be good. This year looks screwed though.

I mean thats on you for falling for the hype. Our media makes this team out to be juggernauts every offseason. Remember how much are Dline depth was talked up? Lol its just Bosa and Armstead pretty much. Ebukaum, key, hurst, Jones, etc have all been let downs.

Hell reports were jimmy looked better then ever. Hes still been pedestrian as hell.

No it was Matt Maiocco that sold me. He usually is conservative and not full of a bunch of hyperbole and he was absolutely gushing on Lance like he was head and shoulders better than Garoppolo. That set my expectations higher. Maybe we should dust off Ira Miller to inject some pessimism back into the coverage.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
I mean thats on you for falling for the hype. Our media makes this team out to be juggernauts every offseason. Remember how much are Dline depth was talked up? Lol its just Bosa and Armstead pretty much. Ebukaum, key, hurst, Jones, etc have all been let downs.

Hell reports were jimmy looked better then ever. Hes still been pedestrian as hell.

Well, Bosa at least is kicking ass as advertised.

Trey's play was encouraging. I don't think Shanny's play calling helped Trey out much. I think Trey needs to focus on his short to intermediate game and just taking what the D gives him. Also, a little concerned about pre snap clock management. Reminded me a lot of Kap there getting down to the final seconds.

Originally posted by okdkid:
I'm team 2021 Garoppolo. But Lance looked fine to me. Can absolutely see him as a top 5 QB. Traits are there and showing up on the field.

Release is coachable. Accuracy is coachable. Awareness comes with time.

This is where I'm at after watching Lance play today. A lot to be encouraged by in looking ahead at the future with him. What I saw today was pretty impressive for a 21-year-old with minimal college experience starting his first NFL game against a pretty good team.

For the rest of this year, if Garoppolo is healthy I want him in there...starting next game vs. the Colts. There's still a lot of games left and anything can happen - to any team. Looking at the schedule ahead, this team can stack up very well vs. any team if they clean some things up and play better complementary football.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
What?
That drive was awesome, a great stop doesn't change that fact imo.

You are joking right? You better be, otherwise you need to get some glasses.

He's trolling. Bitter Jimmy fan who's happy that Trey is struggling so he can say "I told you so."

Butthurt? It never ceases to amaze me that people are refusing to see facts. The kid is NOT ready!! And damn right I TOLD YOU SO too!!

He's more than ready. Better than watching Jimmy play.

You call this train wreck ready?!

You need to go and watch some Kap tape. That is what you call ready and not this s**te!! Go and watch his first start against the Bears and tell me you were wrong cos you had dirt in your eyes.

Bro, learn to be objective. Trey Lance is a longgggggg way from being ready. Jimmy might not be the second coming, but if you still relish any slight chance of winning more games, then Jimmy is your man and not Trey. Trey will sink the ship.

He is ready relative to what we currently have w Jimmy.

So yeah...more than ready.

Jimmy may not sink the ship but we aren't contending for a SB with him this year.

Trey is a long way off. Yet he is already giving us similar output to Jimmy and needs the reps.

Jimmy is done in SF after this year so I'm done w him. We would be far more dangerous squeaking into the playoffs as a WC w Lance starting rest of the way and 13 games of experience under his belt than w Jimmy.