Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
If this dude can beat the Cardinals on the road then I'd keep him as the starter the rest of the season

No way in hell we stand a chance against the Cardinals with Lance under center.

There's always a chance and the fact the Cards don't have tape on him makes him
harder to prepare for.

Talking about mechanics, it appeared to me he has 2 types of throws: a short quick motion, and the longer wind up cannon shot. That short quick motion for throws under 10 yards could be key for his success as we all remember how Kap couldn't hit his RBs because he couldn't ease up.

I'm intrigued with the gameplan Kyle can draw up for Trey, but will have my expectations in check while he figures it out.

Lances passer rating 117
Jimmys passer rating 79.1

Lance had a lot of garbage time and even his stats are still pedestrian. You take out the blown coverage on the Deebo TD, he's 8 for 17 (47%), 81 yards, 4.7 YPA. Add those up and he has a passer rating of 80.76.

My fear is that the Cardinals defense are just going to dominate him, just like the Colts defense did to Alex in his first start. The kid needs more time to sit and develop, but when your starting QB is glass, we all knew this was going to happen.

It's always easy to take out a pass here, or add a pass there. What would his rating be if Kittle hung onto that catchable TD pass ?

Mistakes will happen, we will get gifts like the blown coverage which was a misdirection the D bit on. Credit Lance for seeing the field. We have questioned Jimmys vision lately for throwing and forcing into triple coverage while passing on open receivers.

I don't understand the micro-scrutiny. There will be ups and downs for a rookie in his first half of NFL football as the starter.

He needs to trust what he sees. Kyle's offense is set up to do just that - give QBs a good presnap read. If Lance can start anticipating throws into zone windows, he will be on his way to success because he has already shown that he will make defenses pay for playing man by using his legs.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:
The game seems like it's going 200mph for Lance.

It's like he's a one year college player who had 300 total passing attempts in the FCS.

To be fair, I expected worse.

Imagine that! Yah and Shanny decided to hitch his wagon to him, not only that, sacrifice the future to do so. It's like a very bad April fools joke that will last at least two more years.

Even worse. Next year with his limited snaps this year, he's going to he equally impressive.

sarcasm?

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Very odd crouch mechanics here...

And of course this post has already brought out the usuals.

Again, after the game when asked, Trey said this was a throw away. I pointed this out when this gif was first uploaded here, but that's not gonna stop some posters.

But like Kap, some fans in here will continue to use gifs of throw away passes to discredit the QB.

Wait, that was a throw away? That's potentially even worse. Snap-to-throw is under 2 seconds. It's 3rd and 10. He's not being pressured. Why not stand tall in the pocket and go through your progressions?

I'd much rather him be decisive and just make a wildly inaccurate throw than deciding to throw the ball away on a 3rd and 10 when not even being pressured.

Um... maybe because he's a rookie? Stressful part of the game... has had pressure coming from his right side, previously.

But yes, that is what you would want... 3rd and 10.. first read isn't there... trust your oline, and look for someone else... or run with the ball.

The important thing is, he converted a first down eventually..... and Trey learns from this and other plays from the game. If he continues to make mistakes like this one, then yes that would be a big problem.

Imo, he'll learn from this.

I'm not worried about Lance. Overall, I think he'll be fine as long as he doesn't get killed mentally this season. When I respond complaining about Lance, it's not that I don't believe in him, because I do, but he just needs more time. Throwing a player to the wolves before he's ready can kill a QBs confidence in his ability, and Lance has nothing but ability.

He was the rawest QB prospect with the most upside. We have already seen that upside this. The kid has 3 TDs in less than 50 NFL snaps, where other rookies have well over triple to quadruple the number of stats and have less total TDs. The kid is going to be great. I just hate seeing dumb plays like this from him because we all know he's not ready to start yet.

Also, it's me coming to grips that this is another losing season, because there's just no way we sniff the playoffs with Lance under center.

I think if he has a bad game against the Cardinals and then a good game against the Colts (but a tall order as well), and then Jimmy returns to the starting lineup, it would be the best possible case for his development. Allow him to return to the bench and reflect on his couple of games, while continuing to learn, and maybe going back out there later in the year or as the starter next year.

Originally posted by thl408:
He needs to trust what he sees. Kyle's offense is set up to do just that - give QBs a good presnap read. If Lance can start anticipating throws into zone windows, he will be on his way to success because he has already shown that he will make defenses pay for playing man by using his legs.

Another Kaepernick...

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Yes it is, that is how the cap and contracts are structured. This is the best Lynch has to give.

If they are a losing team this year and next, do you think Shanalynch are here to finish the rebuild?

The best he has to give is a bunch of vet min contracts and cheap one yr deals for guys that have a history of injuries (who are wait for it injured). This isn't a SB caliber team IMO. They don't have the depth for it.

Why does it have to be a rebuild or a great team? It's never in-between like more than half of the teams in the league...They get to push in MORE cash into legit good starting vets when Jimmy is off the books in 2021. There's guys like Ebukam/Gould that are doing next to nothing eating up cap space...they can take a hike next yr and apply that cash to something that matters. AA's deal has a 6th yr that specifically made to lower the cap as well, I'll bet money that gets used in the next yr or so.

I think Lynch/Shanny will have 3 yrs to develop their rookie QB, Jed wouldn't have signed off on the deal if he didn't get them that.... if anyone get's let go in that time period it's Lynch who's responsible for the 90 man roster/draft/FA

I don't think Kyle would make it through three losing seasons in a row.

Keeping Jimmy and drafting a FQBOTF bought him a pass for this year. Lance has to be ready to win next year, especially if he starts some games this year.

Maybr Jimmy sits out for three games and Lance wins against Indy and Chicago. That would be awesome.

Originally posted by mitpdub:
It's always easy to take out a pass here, or add a pass there. What would his rating be if Kittle hung onto that catchable TD pass ?

Mistakes will happen, we will get gifts like the blown coverage which was a misdirection the D bit on. Credit Lance for seeing the field. We have questioned Jimmys vision lately for throwing and forcing into triple coverage while passing on open receivers.

I'm not taking out any play. Deebo didn't make that play. Lance didn't make that play. A blown coverage by the Seattle secondary made that play. It's a fluke play.

Do you expect a play like that to happen next week against Arizona?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Very odd crouch mechanics here...

And of course this post has already brought out the usuals.

Again, after the game when asked, Trey said this was a throw away. I pointed this out when this gif was first uploaded here, but that's not gonna stop some posters.

But like Kap, some fans in here will continue to use gifs of throw away passes to discredit the QB.

I'm not sure why people think a throwaway on 3rd and 10 makes him look any better than an errant throw would, especially with a wide open receiver on the side he didn't even bother looking at.

This was an obvious throwaway pass. Now then, he did have a 3rd or 4th option who opened up on his right, but really I'm not sure if he's ready for that and he may have been feeling pressure. If Trey is starting the next few games, we have to be patient with his development.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Very odd crouch mechanics here...

And of course this post has already brought out the usuals.

Again, after the game when asked, Trey said this was a throw away. I pointed this out when this gif was first uploaded here, but that's not gonna stop some posters.

But like Kap, some fans in here will continue to use gifs of throw away passes to discredit the QB.

I'm not sure why people think a throwaway on 3rd and 10 makes him look any better than an errant throw would, especially with a wide open receiver on the side he didn't even bother looking at.

It's NOT about the decision... it's a response to the usuals blaming his mechanics for an inaccurate pass attempt.

But you should know that.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Yes it is, that is how the cap and contracts are structured. This is the best Lynch has to give.

If they are a losing team this year and next, do you think Shanalynch are here to finish the rebuild?

The best he has to give is a bunch of vet min contracts and cheap one yr deals for guys that have a history of injuries (who are wait for it injured). This isn't a SB caliber team IMO. They don't have the depth for it.

Why does it have to be a rebuild or a great team? It's never in-between like more than half of the teams in the league...They get to push in MORE cash into legit good starting vets when Jimmy is off the books in 2021. There's guys like Ebukam/Gould that are doing next to nothing eating up cap space...they can take a hike next yr and apply that cash to something that matters. AA's deal has a 6th yr that specifically made to lower the cap as well, I'll bet money that gets used in the next yr or so.

I think Lynch/Shanny will have 3 yrs to develop their rookie QB, Jed wouldn't have signed off on the deal if he didn't get them that.... if anyone get's let go in that time period it's Lynch who's responsible for the 90 man roster/draft/FA

I don't think Kyle would make it through three losing seasons in a row.

Keeping Jimmy and drafting a FQBOTF bought him a pass for this year. Lance has to be ready to win next year, especially if he starts some games this year.

Maybr Jimmy sits out for three games and Lance wins against Indy and Chicago. That would be awesome.

Given how raw he still is after an off- and pre-season, I simply don't expect a win against any of these teams unless their QBs go down as well.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by thl408:
He needs to trust what he sees. Kyle's offense is set up to do just that - give QBs a good presnap read. If Lance can start anticipating throws into zone windows, he will be on his way to success because he has already shown that he will make defenses pay for playing man by using his legs.

Another Kaepernick...

here come the inaccurate Kap comparisons.

Originally posted by KittleMeThis:

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by thl408:
He needs to trust what he sees. Kyle's offense is set up to do just that - give QBs a good presnap read. If Lance can start anticipating throws into zone windows, he will be on his way to success because he has already shown that he will make defenses pay for playing man by using his legs.

Another Kaepernick...

here come the inaccurate Kap comparisons.

No kidding... get that sh*t out of here.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by thl408:
The game seems like it's going 200mph for Lance.

It's like he's a one year college player who had 300 total passing attempts in the FCS.

To be fair, I expected worse.

Imagine that! Yah and Shanny decided to hitch his wagon to him, not only that, sacrifice the future to do so. It's like a very bad April fools joke that will last at least two more years.

Even worse. Next year with his limited snaps this year, he's going to he equally impressive.

sarcasm?

Well, he needs to play the rest of the season. Jimmy was a waste of 24m by Jed, why so Lance can watch and learn bad habits?

If Lance doesn't get enough snaps this season guess what, 2022 is wasted trying to figure out what he can do.

How many veterans want to sit through another losing season? The good defenseive players will migrate over to AZ, Seattle and the LA Rams.

Originally posted by ElDannMann:
Attack the post, not the poster.

I said that you're being subjective (this is "fluke" but that isin't "fluke"), but you don't seem ready to comprehend or face it. That's not attacking you. Now that that's out the way...

Originally posted by ElDannMann:
You think I wasn't happy with a 76 yard TD strike to Deebo?

I said player, not play. Why would you not be happy with the play? And I said you're not particularly happy with him, just going by your words and you trying to discredit plays already. If you are happy with him, you have the freedom to say so now and correct me. No biggie. Are you happy with Lance?

Originally posted by ElDannMann:
But I'm not going to sit here and pretend that that play was all Lance, or that Lance could make that throw but Jimmy or any other backup NFL QB could make.

I really don't want or foresee any plays being "All Lance" in his future, given the fact the football is 11 vs. 11. They will never be all Lance, nor do they need to be. Again,...subjective terms, subjective talk.

Originally posted by ElDannMann:
And I have no idea why you're talking about me making the throw? When the hell did I ever say that I could make that throw? Why even bring me personally into this conversation? I'm a 33-year-old overweight man.

All the more reason it's not a fluke,...even if we take your weight away and 10 years off of your age. Did I mention that calling the play a fluke is subjective? This is what a fluke play looks like:


And even then, it still took the awareness of the WR to look for the ball.