Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

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Originally posted by 49ersRing:

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Originally posted by Sickaa:
Agreed.. He'll remain the starter this year unless something unfortunate happens.

However, next year, we'll be giving the keys to the offense to Lance, and take it from there.

What if Jimmy clearly outplays Lance?

When would he outplay Trey?

Folks this is where yall need to come to grips with reality, and not some feel good story.

We traded alot for Trey. The reason being so because Kyle felt he needed to move on from Jimmy (because of previous play). The same thing happened in 2011, when the team used a 2nd RD pick for Kap...after Alex's 2010 season... heck they let Alex go on a free agent tour.. yall remember those pics of Alex in Miami? They basically signed him to 1 year deals after that. Then unfortunately for Alex, he was another example of something like this happening.....when Chiefs drafted Pat Mahomes in the 1st round....after Alex's play the previous years.

It doesn't matter how well said player plays after the fact... once a decision is made, the team is most likely moving on... even if the Starting QB plays well, like Alex did in 2012 and with the Chiefs.

The thing with Jimmy is, we gave up WAAAAY for more for Lance, than those 2011 9ers or 2017 Chiefs did for Kap or Mahomes.

Even if Jimmy plays at an MVP level this year (which I think his own extreme fans will admit won't happen).. even if that happens... the 9ers FO will not get the same type of trade deal for Lance, that they spent. And I've never seen seen a team trade away someone like that, especially without getting real game looks at them.

The only way I see Jimmy start for us next year, is if he has an MVP year.. we win the Super Bowl... or lose sometime deep in the playoffs because of other reasons and not Jimmy.... AND Trey scares the s**t out of Kyle in practices all year, and has bad OTAs and training camp and preseason next year.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
You think there's a scenario where Jimmy and Lance are both on the team next year and they "compete" for the starter?

I think you're both right and this is Jimmy's last season in SF. But just for argument's sake, let's say Jimmy wins NFL MVP this year, the Niners win the Super Bowl and he's the Super Bowl MVP. Would you still say trade him and hand the keys to Trey?

Is there anything we've seen from the first two weeks that makes you think this scenario is possible? Obviously, it's still possible we could win the Super Bowl and Jimmy could be the Super Bowl MVP. Regular season MVP is already out the window barring some dramatic turn around.

After two games? And I was just throwing out a scenario to discuss.

Yes, unless we witness some dramatic turn around. Jimmy is averaging one of the lowest ADoTs in the league right now and the offense is designed around not asking him to do a lot relative to other QBs. It's difficult to win MVP like that. He's arguably not even our offensive MVP so far (Deebo).

without Jimmy, we lose.. that is the def of MVP

There is absolutely no way you can prove this. 100% conjecture.

If only there were records of the 49ers with Jimmy G and without him over the same time period we could prove this, but alas, these records do not exist.

None of the 49ers past records can definitively prove that without Jimmy we lose the game yesterday. Cmon Woo. Its fine to not agree on things, but posts like this are complete nonsense. Zero logic.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
That's my main issue with people who want Jimmy here long term.

Sitting a #3 overall rookie for 2/5 years on his rookie deal CANT give us the best chance to win the Super Bowl. The recent trend after the rookie wage scale is to either have Tom Brady or a QB on his rookie deal. You're basically eliminating yourself by keeping Jimmy G on the roster with his contract. And that doesn't mean Jimmy sucks or he wouldn't be capable of playing well… it just means statistically you're probably not going to have the roster you need to win it all.

And Lance not playing meaningful football since 2019 lol WTF are we doing here.

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by NYniner85

It has nothing to do with Jed being okay with paying a player…it's how you spread that cap space out and who needs that cash long-term. Do we think Bosa/Deebo are gonna show up without a new contract after this yr? How about our secondary?

one of the greatest aspects of having a young QB starting is taking advantage of that cap space to surround them with great talent…oh and we don't have and 1sts for a couple yrs on top of it

Is your name in real life Grant?

Why? What's wrong with that statement? And I actually can't stand Grant.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
The bottom line is the FO has put themselves in a situation where everything hinges on Lance.
He 100% has to start next year. It will be sink or swim and we are all along for that ride.
I think they screwed everything up and instead of strengthening a roster who was a quarter away from a super bowl victory, they put all their eggs in the basket of a kid who hasnt played high level football, and no football at all 4 out of the last 5 years.
I think the plan was for him to come in and gradually outplay JG, but he is much farther away from that than Kyle expected. I think he gave him that TD call in the Lions game to give the fans something positive before shelving him for the year, outside of mop up duty.
So, Jimmy gets to try and win a super bowl this year then it all falls on Trey. They will need JGs 26 million salary to sign a few starters, because they struck out on the early picks this year and have no 1sts for the next 2 drafts.

Jesus. We are 2 games into their first season and we struck out on our high picks. Get real. Yes Jimmy will be gone next year. Trey absolutely is the future and has to perform. There will be headaches along the way ask Wilson about that. Trey was the play at 3 he is way more dynamic than your guy will ever be and the league is shifting in that direction get over it. Is Mac more ready now yes I'd say that's obvious, but if you weren't salivating every time hurts extended the play or ran for a 1st down yesterday with thoughts of what trey will do you just aren't a niner fan.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
It has nothing to do with Jed being okay with paying a player…it's how you spread that cap space out and who needs that cash long-term. Do we think Bosa/Deebo are gonna show up without a new contract after this yr? How about our secondary?

one of the greatest aspects of having a young QB starting is taking advantage of that cap space to surround them with great talent…oh and we don't have and 1sts for a couple yrs on top of it

Lol NY, isn't this starting to look awfully similar to the 2020 season/beginning of the off-season when all the Jimmy truthers were so sure he was our FQB, wasn't getting replaced, etc etc etc and yet here we are in his replacements thread. 2 games into this season and here we go again, even after everything that happened and literally with Lance on the roster, these guys still think Jimmy is it and will be here. I've said this same exact thing. Some guys will be very disappointed, I'm still not even so sure that Jimmy doesn't get replaced THIS season due to inconsistent play or of course injury

Like Young said, SF showed the world what they think of Jimmy LT. They made the biggest move in franchise history to replace him.

I just hope these Jimmy truthers will go to bat this hard for Lance even if he's not playing well. I know I will be just as critical of him as I am every player

Originally posted by boast:
i'm just saying, the Niners would be stupid to jettison their QB if he's one of the main reasons the team wins the SB this year. i brought up Jed's comment because it seems that scenario has been discussed and i don't think the team is that stupid.

We will see. I highly doubt he's here in 2022 unless Lance is seriously injured

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I don't care what the media or fans think I want what's best for the team and so should you.

I see it more as a Joe Flacco scenario where trading him after the Super Bowl clearly would have been a better move but in this case Lamar Jackson is already on the roster meaning it's a no brainer.

So Lance who has yet to start a game is Lamar Jackson already?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Like Young said, SF showed the world what they think of Jimmy LT. They made the biggest move in franchise history to replace him.

I just hope these Jimmy truthers will go to bat this hard for Lance even if he's not playing well. I know I will be just as critical of him as I am every player

Same.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I don't care what the media or fans think I want what's best for the team and so should you.

I see it more as a Joe Flacco scenario where trading him after the Super Bowl clearly would have been a better move but in this case Lamar Jackson is already on the roster meaning it's a no brainer.

So Lance who has yet to start a game is Lamar Jackson already?

Cmon Phoenix....you know he was using the two players to make a point. Jimmy isnt Joe Flacco either, but the comparison situationally is spot on.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I don't care what the media or fans think I want what's best for the team and so should you.

I see it more as a Joe Flacco scenario where trading him after the Super Bowl clearly would have been a better move but in this case Lamar Jackson is already on the roster meaning it's a no brainer.

So Lance who has yet to start a game is Lamar Jackson already?

The point was that we have a clear successor in place not that he's proven to have the ability of Lamar.

And I think you know that's what I meant.

Jimmy is mediocre. Stop the BS, Kyle. Your ego is ruining this team as usual. GROW UP and play Lance as much as possible. He needs the reps. Telling him you don't trust him is a perfect way to destroy his self-confidence. If you don't play him this year, expect to be fired next...

Originally posted by Waterbear:
The point was that we have a clear successor in place not that he's proven to have the ability of Lamar.

And I think you know that's what I meant.

He's supposed to be the successor, and Aiyuk was supposed to be a dominant #1 WR. What happens if Lance shows up in training camp next year and he's not any more ready to be an NFL starter than he was this offseason? Then what, you trade Garoppolo away just to trade Garoppolo away and go all in on a guy who might not be ready to start?

Plans change sometimes. I think it comes down to how much Lance progresses over the course of this year and whether or not he's ready to go.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
If only there were records of the 49ers with Jimmy G and without him over the same time period we could prove this, but alas, these records do not exist.

Are you referring to the records we had with CJ and BDN as backups? If you don't think Trey is better than either of them I feel real sorry for you and what you're gonna go through for the next 10+ years.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
It has nothing to do with Jed being okay with paying a player…it's how you spread that cap space out and who needs that cash long-term. Do we think Bosa/Deebo are gonna show up without a new contract after this yr? How about our secondary?

one of the greatest aspects of having a young QB starting is taking advantage of that cap space to surround them with great talent…oh and we don't have and 1sts for a couple yrs on top of it

Lol NY, isn't this starting to look awfully similar to the 2020 season/beginning of the off-season when all the Jimmy truthers were so sure he was our FQB, wasn't getting replaced, etc etc etc and yet here we are in his replacements thread. 2 games into this season and here we go again, even after everything that happened and literally with Lance on the roster, these guys still think Jimmy is it and will be here. I've said this same exact thing. Some guys will be very disappointed, I'm still not even so sure that Jimmy doesn't get replaced THIS season due to inconsistent play or of course injury

Like Young said, SF showed the world what they think of Jimmy LT. They made the biggest move in franchise history to replace him.

I just hope these Jimmy truthers will go to bat this hard for Lance even if he's not playing well. I know I will be just as critical of him as I am every player

I'm a Jimmy truther and a Lance truther. It's a wonderful place to be as a fan right now.

All this guy does is win... 2-0 as a qb in the NFL.