"3rd and Jauan" Jennings l WR Tennessee, signs with Vikings

Originally posted by Rocket4989:
Trade him

No way

Originally posted by elguapo:
Give him a 3-4 million bump this year and get the 4th round comp pick next year when some desperate team pays him 18 million per year

This is a reasonable take. We are not replacing his size, strength, reliability and production between now and our playoff run. Get it done.

Pay my dude yet?! Lets get this done

Originally posted by elguapo:
Give him a 3-4 million bump this year and get the 4th round comp pick next year when some desperate team pays him 18 million per year

It would be a huge mistake to let him walk and not lock him up long term, especially if it's true that his agent is looking for 15-17 mil a year.

He's still got plenty of years in the tank, and will still be solid 3-4 years from now since he doesn't rely on his athletic ability.

We also have too many questions marks at WR going forward, especially with BA. Would love to lock him up for a 4-5 year deal. He will be a steal in a couple years from now at that 15-17 mil price range.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Give him a 3-4 million bump this year and get the 4th round comp pick next year when some desperate team pays him 18 million per year

It would be a huge mistake to let him walk and not lock him up long term, especially if it's true that his agent is looking for 15-17 mil a year.

He's still got plenty of years in the tank, and will still be solid 3-4 years from now since he doesn't rely on his athletic ability.

We also have too many questions marks at WR going forward, especially with BA. Would love to lock him up for a 4-5 year deal. He will be a steal in a couple years from now at that 15-17 mil price range.

Do you think he'll be a steal in a few years at $17M because you think WR3s will be getting $20M a year in a few years?

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Give him a 3-4 million bump this year and get the 4th round comp pick next year when some desperate team pays him 18 million per year

It would be a huge mistake to let him walk and not lock him up long term, especially if it's true that his agent is looking for 15-17 mil a year.

He's still got plenty of years in the tank, and will still be solid 3-4 years from now since he doesn't rely on his athletic ability.

We also have too many questions marks at WR going forward, especially with BA. Would love to lock him up for a 4-5 year deal. He will be a steal in a couple years from now at that 15-17 mil price range.

Do you think he'll be a steal in a few years at $17M because you think WR3s will be getting $20M a year in a few years?

He's not some afterthought #3. He's a great #3 and a good #2. Especially with our current situation, he's by far our most dependable WR on the current roster. He's basically our #1 going into this year. Ricky could take that role, but he hasn't proven himself quite yet. Then we have Watkins (rookie) and Cowing (who's barely done anything) and BA coming of another ACL, and who know what he will look like going forward.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Give him a 3-4 million bump this year and get the 4th round comp pick next year when some desperate team pays him 18 million per year

It would be a huge mistake to let him walk and not lock him up long term, especially if it's true that his agent is looking for 15-17 mil a year.

He's still got plenty of years in the tank, and will still be solid 3-4 years from now since he doesn't rely on his athletic ability.

We also have too many questions marks at WR going forward, especially with BA. Would love to lock him up for a 4-5 year deal. He will be a steal in a couple years from now at that 15-17 mil price range.

Do you think he'll be a steal in a few years at $17M because you think WR3s will be getting $20M a year in a few years?

Ok, what am I missing here? Everyone on this board keeps referring to JJ as #3 WR. So who is #2? I don't think there's any chance of Aiyuk returning to his old form before mid season at the earliest, if ever. If he does, I can see him being WR 1. So again, who exactly is 2??????

Originally posted by Cosmo:
Ok, what am I missing here? Everyone on this board keeps referring to JJ as #3 WR. So who is #2? I don't think there's any chance of Aiyuk returning to his old form before mid season at the earliest, if ever. If he does, I can see him being WR 1. So again, who exactly is 2??????

Not everybody is saying it, lol. It's just an odd statement which dismisses Jennings production in his only opportunity to be a regular starter, and ignores the uncommon situation in which Jennings was a #3: as part of a top 5 WR group in the NFL, behind 2 all pro/pro bowl level players. Plenty of starters around the league who are #3 in that situation. He's an ideal #3 on a stacked team, but that's not his ceiling as a player (see: last year) and that's not where we are as a team anymore.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
It would be a huge mistake to let him walk and not lock him up long term, especially if it's true that his agent is looking for 15-17 mil a year.

He's still got plenty of years in the tank, and will still be solid 3-4 years from now since he doesn't rely on his athletic ability.

We also have too many questions marks at WR going forward, especially with BA. Would love to lock him up for a 4-5 year deal. He will be a steal in a couple years from now at that 15-17 mil price range.

It won't matter because he will just want a new deal or demand a trade if he is outplaying his deal for a year or 2.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Give him a 3-4 million bump this year and get the 4th round comp pick next year when some desperate team pays him 18 million per year

It would be a huge mistake to let him walk and not lock him up long term, especially if it's true that his agent is looking for 15-17 mil a year.

He's still got plenty of years in the tank, and will still be solid 3-4 years from now since he doesn't rely on his athletic ability.

We also have too many questions marks at WR going forward, especially with BA. Would love to lock him up for a 4-5 year deal. He will be a steal in a couple years from now at that 15-17 mil price range.

Do you think he'll be a steal in a few years at $17M because you think WR3s will be getting $20M a year in a few years?

He's not some afterthought #3. He's a great #3 and a good #2. Especially with our current situation, he's by far our most dependable WR on the current roster. He's basically our #1 going into this year. Ricky could take that role, but he hasn't proven himself quite yet. Then we have Watkins (rookie) and Cowing (who's barely done anything) and BA coming of another ACL, and who know what he will look like going forward.

Sure, but that's this year, not 5 years from now.

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Give him a 3-4 million bump this year and get the 4th round comp pick next year when some desperate team pays him 18 million per year

It would be a huge mistake to let him walk and not lock him up long term, especially if it's true that his agent is looking for 15-17 mil a year.

He's still got plenty of years in the tank, and will still be solid 3-4 years from now since he doesn't rely on his athletic ability.

We also have too many questions marks at WR going forward, especially with BA. Would love to lock him up for a 4-5 year deal. He will be a steal in a couple years from now at that 15-17 mil price range.

Do you think he'll be a steal in a few years at $17M because you think WR3s will be getting $20M a year in a few years?

Ok, what am I missing here? Everyone on this board keeps referring to JJ as #3 WR. So who is #2? I don't think there's any chance of Aiyuk returning to his old form before mid season at the earliest, if ever. If he does, I can see him being WR 1. So again, who exactly is 2??????

He's a slot WR which is normally a #3 WR.

There are some here who think nobody here ever said he could be WR1 so you are on that list now :)

He's a really good WR3, but he's not special at route running, getting separation, getting down field, or run after the catch ... he's VERY physical and a very good blocker. If he is the WR1 that means he's going to be the focus of the defense and I don't believe he will get open often enough.

The first 4 games of this season, based on what we know right now, JJ is the best available WR I don't think anyone has argued that. But Aiyuk, Pearsall, and Watkins all have potential to be better than JJ by the end of this year. I think that if JJ is the best WR by the end of this season the 49ers will have a losing record.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Cosmo:
Ok, what am I missing here? Everyone on this board keeps referring to JJ as #3 WR. So who is #2? I don't think there's any chance of Aiyuk returning to his old form before mid season at the earliest, if ever. If he does, I can see him being WR 1. So again, who exactly is 2??????

Not everybody is saying it, lol. It's just an odd statement which dismisses Jennings production in his only opportunity to be a regular starter, and ignores the uncommon situation in which Jennings was a #3: as part of a top 5 WR group in the NFL, behind 2 all pro/pro bowl level players. Plenty of starters around the league who are #3 in that situation. He's an ideal #3 on a stacked team, but that's not his ceiling as a player (see: last year) and that's not where we are as a team anymore.

Kittle, Aiyuk, and Samuel each have 1 season in their careers where they got more targets than JJ got last year. Do you think JJ will get that many (or close to that many targets) this year?

I think there is literally nothing pointing to JJ having a better year this year than last year and a lot of reasons to think the opposite. This is why he wants a new deal so hard now ... he knows his value will go down after this year.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Give him a 3-4 million bump this year and get the 4th round comp pick next year when some desperate team pays him 18 million per year

It would be a huge mistake to let him walk and not lock him up long term, especially if it's true that his agent is looking for 15-17 mil a year.

He's still got plenty of years in the tank, and will still be solid 3-4 years from now since he doesn't rely on his athletic ability.

We also have too many questions marks at WR going forward, especially with BA. Would love to lock him up for a 4-5 year deal. He will be a steal in a couple years from now at that 15-17 mil price range.

Do you think he'll be a steal in a few years at $17M because you think WR3s will be getting $20M a year in a few years?

Ok, what am I missing here? Everyone on this board keeps referring to JJ as #3 WR. So who is #2? I don't think there's any chance of Aiyuk returning to his old form before mid season at the earliest, if ever. If he does, I can see him being WR 1. So again, who exactly is 2??????

He's a slot WR which is normally a #3 WR.

There are some here who think nobody here ever said he could be WR1 so you are on that list now :)

He's a really good WR3, but he's not special at route running, getting separation, getting down field, or run after the catch ... he's VERY physical and a very good blocker. If he is the WR1 that means he's going to be the focus of the defense and I don't believe he will get open often enough.

The first 4 games of this season, based on what we know right now, JJ is the best available WR I don't think anyone has argued that. But Aiyuk, Pearsall, and Watkins all have potential to be better than JJ by the end of this year. I think that if JJ is the best WR by the end of this season the 49ers will have a losing record.

Huh? Really confusing, can you please explain this statement? Was just curious who WR 2 is if BA is able to return to his old form.

Originally posted by Scoots:
By having more success per opportunity.

Kittle had 19 fewer targets but managed 1 more catch than JJ. He also averaged 1.5 yards more and ended with 2 more touchdowns. In 2023 Aiyuk had 8 fewer targets than JJ last year but turned them into 400 more yards ... even though he got fewer chances than the year before his production went up.

JJ is a good WR3 and he's really perfect in that role for the 49ers. The only issue is people suddenly thinking he deserves to be a WR1.

Originally posted by Scoots:
He's a slot WR which is normally a #3 WR.

There are some here who think nobody here ever said he could be WR1 so you are on that list now :)

He's a really good WR3, but he's not special at route running, getting separation, getting down field, or run after the catch ... he's VERY physical and a very good blocker. If he is the WR1 that means he's going to be the focus of the defense and I don't believe he will get open often enough.

The first 4 games of this season, based on what we know right now, JJ is the best available WR I don't think anyone has argued that. But Aiyuk, Pearsall, and Watkins all have potential to be better than JJ by the end of this year. I think that if JJ is the best WR by the end of this season the 49ers will have a losing record.

I linked your original comment so you can try to understand the difference between saying a player may be our best at a position, and was last year, instead of suggesting he's a number 1 WR, or 'deserves' to be one, as you originally stated.

Again, nobody is really saying he's a number 1 WR, and more importantly that he be paid like one…

Originally posted by Scoots:
Kittle, Aiyuk, and Samuel each have 1 season in their careers where they got more targets than JJ got last year. Do you think JJ will get that many (or close to that many targets) this year?

I think there is literally nothing pointing to JJ having a better year this year than last year and a lot of reasons to think the opposite. This is why he wants a new deal so hard now ... he knows his value will go down after this year.

I don't see the importance of this point. Ideally we have great targets everywhere and the ball is spread around. One thing we know following last season is that Jennings can produce in a starter role beyond what would be expected from a '#3 receiver'.

Take Demarcus Robinson for example. You have described him as a 'good' player. You argued Jennings production was simply because of injuries ahead of him, and then made a comparison between Robinson's and Jennings' best seasons' (not including last year). Not only was it laughable that you had to toss Jennings actual best year in the comparison, but you conveniently ignored Robinson has had 3 seasons with similar or more opportunities in games started, with better QBs and in arguably better passing offenses, and wasn't able to produce the type of season Jennings had especially in terms of volume.

Ultimately I tend to agree with at least one of your points here: that we probably don't want to get into a longterm extension with Jennings at this point. But you are also omitting numbers, downplaying critical performances, and misrepresenting what people are saying here seemingly in an effort to discount what Jennings has actually accomplished.