"3rd and Jauan" Jennings l WR Tennessee, signs with Vikings

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If we hadn't paid Aiyuk I'd be saying pay JJ for his blocking alone. But we wasted too damn much on Aiyuk and Deebo

That's the bottom line of it all right there

IMO paying BA wasn't a waste of money if the idea was to move off Deebo and BA never got hurt like he did.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Sure I understand how Aiyuk had a high ceiling pre injury. Who knows what he is now? But Jennings does it another way. He's an Anquan Boldin type. Bad straight line speed and can do absolutely everything else. All other categories at a super high level. Boldin made a whole career like that. Now I don't know that he's exactly Anquan but he's of that mold. That type and style. You can get it done that way. I think he's worth $15 million per year. Whether they pay him that or not remains to be seen. I would guess not. Just knowing this team I don't think they will prioritize it. But he will get that or more in free agency. People will be surprised.

Deserves a raise for sure but because of his current status with the team does not have the weight to go about it the way he is.

CMC was getting 25 touches a game. Trent is an all time great. Deebo had the whole wide back RB and wr thing and was getting touches for both with a ton of all purpose yard. Aiyuk first round draft pick wr that was not considered a bust on his first big contract.

Now we have Jennings who just got a raise the year prior now wants another raise and didn't break 1k yards with minimal upside...

I'm not so sure they will cave this time... Just to make a point even if he deserves it ...

It doesn't hurt as bad if you have to trade him or let him sit out as any of the 4 guys above.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Sure I understand how Aiyuk had a high ceiling pre injury. Who knows what he is now? But Jennings does it another way. He's an Anquan Boldin type. Bad straight line speed and can do absolutely everything else. All other categories at a super high level. Boldin made a whole career like that. Now I don't know that he's exactly Anquan but he's of that mold. That type and style. You can get it done that way. I think he's worth $15 million per year. Whether they pay him that or not remains to be seen. I would guess not. Just knowing this team I don't think they will prioritize it. But he will get that or more in free agency. People will be surprised.

Deserves a raise for sure but because of his current status with the team does not have the weight to go about it the way he is.

CMC was getting 25 touches a game. Trent is an all time great. Deebo had the whole wide back RB and wr thing and was getting touches for both with a ton of all purpose yard. Aiyuk first round draft pick wr that was not considered a bust on his first big contract.

Now we have Jennings who just got a raise the year prior now wants another raise and didn't break 1k yards with minimal upside...

I'm not so sure they will cave this time... Just to make a point even if he deserves it ...

It doesn't hurt as bad if you have to trade him or let him sit out as any of the 4 guys above.

But he absolutely for sure would break 1,000 + yards and he had 6 TD's. Maybe he gets 1 more for 7 TD's. He had 975 yards and got thrown out well before the game was over. He absolutely for sure was going to be above 1,000 yards. I don't think that's in question. On a questionable fighting call. To be fair at least.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If we hadn't paid Aiyuk I'd be saying pay JJ for his blocking alone. But we wasted too damn much on Aiyuk and Deebo

That's the bottom line of it all right there

Crazy enough lately at least Jennings has been better, more productive, more healthy. Not looking at several years back. Look at last year, this year, immediate future. Jennings has been and is better than those 2 lately. One gone and one injured. But Jennings has been the guy. Yeah we put too much in Aiyuk and Deebo.

Nobody knew either one would fall off a cliff when they signed. The reason JJ wants a deal now is in part to the fact that he's aware his production may go down this year.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Agree to disagree. It absolutely is not the same thing and he did not just say he wants a trade

What else did BA say that was so offensive to everyone? Sure he was upset the team wasn't doing s**t in terms of negotiations for months. Yes he posted some emotional stuff BUT the most extreme thing he did was request a trade.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If we hadn't paid Aiyuk I'd be saying pay JJ for his blocking alone. But we wasted too damn much on Aiyuk and Deebo

That's the bottom line of it all right there

Crazy enough lately at least Jennings has been better, more productive, more healthy. Not looking at several years back. Look at last year, this year, immediate future. Jennings has been and is better than those 2 lately. One gone and one injured. But Jennings has been the guy. Yeah we put too much in Aiyuk and Deebo.

Nobody knew either one would fall off a cliff when they signed. The reason JJ wants a deal now is in part to the fact that he's aware his production may go down this year.

Only reason BA fell off a cliff is because of injury and being out of shape at the beginning of the year. Feel like when someone holds out as long as he did, they tend to underwhelm the following season for the first couple weeks. It was very unfortunate (and right on par for SF) that he got hurt like that when he did

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Deserves a raise for sure but because of his current status with the team does not have the weight to go about it the way he is.

CMC was getting 25 touches a game. Trent is an all time great. Deebo had the whole wide back RB and wr thing and was getting touches for both with a ton of all purpose yard. Aiyuk first round draft pick wr that was not considered a bust on his first big contract.

Now we have Jennings who just got a raise the year prior now wants another raise and didn't break 1k yards with minimal upside...

I'm not so sure they will cave this time... Just to make a point even if he deserves it ...

It doesn't hurt as bad if you have to trade him or let him sit out as any of the 4 guys above.

Not so sure about the bulk of this post in the context of Jennings' 'status with the team'. He's arguably our most reliable at the position heading into *this* season. Aiyuk is coming off a major injury with an uncertain timeline. We have a second year player with 1st-2nd round talent we hope will take big steps. A bargain free agent signing.

We're not exactly stacked at the position, and he's not asking for anywhere near elite WR money reportedly. Not sure how the team will handle it.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
That's because SF did it to themselves. They set the precedent when they rewarded both Deebo and Aiyuk for their hold out bs antics. Many of us said it at the time and lo and behold; here we go again. Why wouldn't JJ do it after seeing it work for the two ahead of him?

Yes, this is what happens when you set bad precedents and give into players demands every year. Not just WRs either. There was Trent as well. And then just giving a bunch of other guys extensions when they didn't need to like CMC. That is how you get #3 WRs pulling stuff like this. Time to make an example out of someone so we are not dealing with this type of BS every year.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Not so sure about the bulk of this post in the context of Jennings' 'status with the team'. He's arguably our most reliable at the position heading into *this* season. Aiyuk is coming off a major injury with an uncertain timeline. We have a second year player with 1st-2nd round talent we hope will take big steps. A bargain free agent signing.

We're not exactly stacked at the position, and he's not asking for anywhere near elite WR money reportedly. Not sure how the team will handle it.

I mean that's why he asking for an extension or a trade right now.

we also at some point have to see what Ricky/Cowing/Watkins have as well.

unless they are completely on board with moving on from BA, I can't see them giving JJ what he wants right now

Originally posted by Bloodless:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
That's because SF did it to themselves. They set the precedent when they rewarded both Deebo and Aiyuk for their hold out bs antics. Many of us said it at the time and lo and behold; here we go again. Why wouldn't JJ do it after seeing it work for the two ahead of him?

Yes, this is what happens when you set bad precedents and give into players demands every year. Not just WRs either. There was Trent as well. And then just giving a bunch of other guys extensions when they didn't need to like CMC. That is how you get #3 WRs pulling stuff like this. Time to make an example out of someone so we are not dealing with this type of BS every year.

You should always be trying to pay your young core players and special HOF like talent in Kittle and Trent.

I think you get in trouble when you start tossing out top end cash to FAs more so than extending your own. End of the day they're not gonna be held hostage with someone like JJ.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Not so sure about the bulk of this post in the context of Jennings' 'status with the team'. He's arguably our most reliable at the position heading into *this* season. Aiyuk is coming off a major injury with an uncertain timeline. We have a second year player with 1st-2nd round talent we hope will take big steps. A bargain free agent signing.

We're not exactly stacked at the position, and he's not asking for anywhere near elite WR money reportedly. Not sure how the team will handle it.

I mean that's why he asking for an extension or a trade right now.

we also at some point have to see what Ricky/Cowing/Watkins have as well.

unless they are completely on board with moving on from BA, I can't see them giving JJ what he wants right now

Still no idea how Aiyuk will recover, JJ has the opportunity to show what he can do early on. I'd like to see what he can do with that opportunity and then possibly extend him mid-season.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
But he absolutely for sure would break 1,000 + yards and he had 6 TD's. Maybe he gets 1 more for 7 TD's. He had 975 yards and got thrown out well before the game was over. He absolutely for sure was going to be above 1,000 yards. I don't think that's in question. On a questionable fighting call. To be fair at least.

Probably his absolute top he could/should ever get in this offense.

Honestly we would be better of with him getting 7-10 tds and only 500-600 yards. This would mean he was being used more in the RedZone and less to move down the field.

Closer to a chain mover and hybrid te.

Those are fantastic hybrid te/wr3 numbers and he should be paid as such

The problem for him is the team knows he probably already hit his ceiling and we actually weren't good with him making those numbers he made last year so something has to change.

Eventually one would think they would get tired of this type of negotiation especially for these players that want to rip up their deals mid deal. I understand when they are due a new contract but not the whole rip the deal up idea.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean that's why he asking for an extension or a trade right now.

we also at some point have to see what Ricky/Cowing/Watkins have as well.

unless they are completely on board with moving on from BA, I can't see them giving JJ what he wants right now

I'm not sure they wouldn't just move on from both. At least in Jennings case he's apparently not asking for a top, or near top, of the market deal. That leaves more room to get a deal done within the framework the team wants to be operating in currently.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:
Just pay him, he actually shows up and plays

So we shouldn't have paid Trent or Bosa who held out into camp? What happens if he doesn't "show up" tomorrow? Is he officially dead to you? Should we move him?

He won't come into camp fat

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If we hadn't paid Aiyuk I'd be saying pay JJ for his blocking alone. But we wasted too damn much on Aiyuk and Deebo

That's the bottom line of it all right there

IMO paying BA wasn't a waste of money if the idea was to move off Deebo and BA never got hurt like he did.

You and I have respectfully disagreed on Aiyuk since last year. We have had receivers have career years on their contract year which has inflated their worth which in turn hurt us. I'm to a point where unless it's Jefferson or Chase level receiver you just trade em or let em walk. It's not a position lacking in draft prospects.