Deebo Samuel-WR-South Carolina

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
by NT logic, all our WRs will have 1000 yards. making Jimmy G the world record holder in yards thrown. can't wait!

Here's my "logic"

Pettis: 1000 yds
Kittle: 850 yds
Samuel: 650 yds
Goodwin: 450 yds
Others: 1450 yds

Swap Kittle with Pettis and you have a deal.

I finally realized that Kyle isn't looking for "franchise players" in his offense outside of the QB. All KS wants are guys that fit a niche in his system. Not saying he doesn't want good players that are good in their own right, but I think he's hyper focused on specific traits of each player as opposed to overall greatness.

From a trolling pov, that sounds like the perfect excuse for when those offensive players get injured. i.e. Sure, _____ is injured a lot, but when he's not, he's the best fit this system has ever seen, bar none.

More seriously, IMO it's a mix of fit and want. I believe Mike Shanahan was the same way. He identified good fits for his system and seemed to get tunnel vision for specific guys.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

by NT logic, all our WRs will have 1000 yards. making Jimmy G the world record holder in yards thrown. can't wait!

Here's my "logic"

Pettis: 1000 yds
Kittle: 850 yds
Samuel: 650 yds
Goodwin: 450 yds
Others: 1450 yds

Swap Kittle with Pettis and you have a deal.

I finally realized that Kyle isn't looking for "franchise players" in his offense outside of the QB. All KS wants are guys that fit a niche in his system. Not saying he doesn't want good players that are good in their own right, but I think he's hyper focused on specific traits of each player as opposed to overall greatness.

I doubt Kittle can do back-to-back 1000 yd seasons, but you never know. Honestly, I see him getting under 1000 but getting more TDs.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
by NT logic, all our WRs will have 1000 yards. making Jimmy G the world record holder in yards thrown. can't wait!

Here's my "logic"

Pettis: 1000 yds
Kittle: 850 yds
Samuel: 650 yds
Goodwin: 450 yds
Others: 1450 yds

I think Deebo outshines all of our WRs. Dude is polished and runs all the routes required by this offense better than any receiver we have on our roster. He is also the best after the catch from day 1 compared to any receiver we have on our roster.

Deebo: 1100
Kittle: 940
Pettis: 900
Coleman: 500
Goodwin: 500
Others: 450

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

by NT logic, all our WRs will have 1000 yards. making Jimmy G the world record holder in yards thrown. can't wait!

Here's my "logic"

Pettis: 1000 yds
Kittle: 850 yds
Samuel: 650 yds
Goodwin: 450 yds
Others: 1450 yds

I think Deebo outshines all of our WRs. Dude is polished and runs all the routes required by this offense better than any receiver we have on our roster. He is also the best after the catch from day 1 compared to any receiver we have on our roster.

Deebo: 1100
Kittle: 940
Pettis: 900
Coleman: 500
Goodwin: 500
Others: 450

Doesn't add up... Jimmy G will be passing 5000+ yards this season

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
by NT logic, all our WRs will have 1000 yards. making Jimmy G the world record holder in yards thrown. can't wait!

Here's my "logic"

Pettis: 1000 yds
Kittle: 850 yds
Samuel: 650 yds
Goodwin: 450 yds
Others: 1450 yds

I think Deebo outshines all of our WRs. Dude is polished and runs all the routes required by this offense better than any receiver we have on our roster. He is also the best after the catch from day 1 compared to any receiver we have on our roster.

Deebo: 1100
Kittle: 940
Pettis: 900
Coleman: 500
Goodwin: 500
Others: 450

Doesn't add up... Jimmy G will be passing 5000+ yards this season

4,390

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Swap Kittle with Pettis and you have a deal.

I finally realized that Kyle isn't looking for "franchise players" in his offense outside of the QB. All KS wants are guys that fit a niche in his system. Not saying he doesn't want good players that are good in their own right, but I think he's hyper focused on specific traits of each player as opposed to overall greatness.

I think that's a very accurate description.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

This...most rookie WRs take time to transition from college to the NFL.

#1 WR picked last yr had 788 yards and 2 TDs and is a guy I can comp to Deebo in DJ Moore. SF also has a lot of mouths to feed.

I think he's going to be a 1000 yard guy, but this season he'll be getting his feet wet, and learning the playbook, Jimmy G's tricks, NFL defenders' tendencies, etc.

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

This...most rookie WRs take time to transition from college to the NFL.

#1 WR picked last yr had 788 yards and 2 TDs and is a guy I can comp to Deebo in DJ Moore. SF also has a lot of mouths to feed.

I think he's going to be a 1000 yard guy, but this season he'll be getting his feet wet, and learning the playbook, Jimmy G's tricks, NFL defenders' tendencies, etc.

I actually wonder how much he'll even have to learn in year 1. Kyle already has Pettis and Goodwin slated for the X. Pettis learned all three last year, Goodwin started playing the Z after the bye-week so Pettis could stay at X. My guess is Deebo comes right in at Z and mostly stays there given the dozen of other options Kyle can use for the slot. Maybe not? Kyle will tell us soon I'm sure.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

This...most rookie WRs take time to transition from college to the NFL.

#1 WR picked last yr had 788 yards and 2 TDs and is a guy I can comp to Deebo in DJ Moore. SF also has a lot of mouths to feed.

I think he's going to be a 1000 yard guy, but this season he'll be getting his feet wet, and learning the playbook, Jimmy G's tricks, NFL defenders' tendencies, etc.

I actually wonder how much he'll even have to learn in year 1. Kyle already has Pettis and Goodwin slated for the X. Pettis learned all three last year, Goodwin started playing the Z after the bye-week so Pettis could stay at X. My guess is Deebo comes right in at Z and mostly stays there given the dozen of other options Kyle can use for the slot. Maybe not? Kyle will tell us soon I'm sure.

You may be right about that.

Whatever the configuration, pass and catch is going to be fun again!

Originally posted by NCommand:

I actually wonder how much he'll even have to learn in year 1. Kyle already has Pettis and Goodwin slated for the X. Pettis learned all three last year, Goodwin started playing the Z after the bye-week so Pettis could stay at X. My guess is Deebo comes right in at Z and mostly stays there given the dozen of other options Kyle can use for the slot. Maybe not? Kyle will tell us soon I'm sure.

I don't think we see a traditional x ,y ,z receiving corps. I see everyone rotating and shifting all over the field. The only thing I don't see is James or Taylor playing outside. Other than that everything else is free game. Should be fun to watch.

Originally posted by Travis49erfan:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I actually wonder how much he'll even have to learn in year 1. Kyle already has Pettis and Goodwin slated for the X. Pettis learned all three last year, Goodwin started playing the Z after the bye-week so Pettis could stay at X. My guess is Deebo comes right in at Z and mostly stays there given the dozen of other options Kyle can use for the slot. Maybe not? Kyle will tell us soon I'm sure.

I don't think we see a traditional x ,y ,z receiving corps. I see everyone rotating and shifting all over the field. The only thing I don't see is James or Taylor playing outside. Other than that everything else is free game. Should be fun to watch.

This...people are trying to pigeonhole a WR to a certain role, yet guys like Pettis/Deebo/Goodwin/Hurd can play multiple spots.

Cautiously optimistic/excited about this WR corps...really just the whole offense in general tbh

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Travis49erfan:

Originally posted by NCommand:

I actually wonder how much he'll even have to learn in year 1. Kyle already has Pettis and Goodwin slated for the X. Pettis learned all three last year, Goodwin started playing the Z after the bye-week so Pettis could stay at X. My guess is Deebo comes right in at Z and mostly stays there given the dozen of other options Kyle can use for the slot. Maybe not? Kyle will tell us soon I'm sure.

I don't think we see a traditional x ,y ,z receiving corps. I see everyone rotating and shifting all over the field. The only thing I don't see is James or Taylor playing outside. Other than that everything else is free game. Should be fun to watch.

This...people are trying to pigeonhole a WR to a certain role, yet guys like Pettis/Deebo/Goodwin/Hurd can play multiple spots.

Can they play FS?

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Can they play FS?

fingers crossed

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Travis49erfan:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I actually wonder how much he'll even have to learn in year 1. Kyle already has Pettis and Goodwin slated for the X. Pettis learned all three last year, Goodwin started playing the Z after the bye-week so Pettis could stay at X. My guess is Deebo comes right in at Z and mostly stays there given the dozen of other options Kyle can use for the slot. Maybe not? Kyle will tell us soon I'm sure.

I don't think we see a traditional x ,y ,z receiving corps. I see everyone rotating and shifting all over the field. The only thing I don't see is James or Taylor playing outside. Other than that everything else is free game. Should be fun to watch.

This...people are trying to pigeonhole a WR to a certain role, yet guys like Pettis/Deebo/Goodwin/Hurd can play multiple spots.

While I'll agree to that, I think your X does have to be a special guy. They have a tough job in press-man situations. They can't shift or motion and they're on the LOS. So, CB's can get right up on them, close the space and challenge them at the LOS. That's a tough job for even the best WR's. I think we forget how good NFL CB's are, mainly cause we haven't seen really good ones on our roster, fully healthy, in a long time.

As one NFL scout put it, "they're usually the best athlete on the field. These were the guys who, whenever you would play tag on the playground, always won."

Imagine trying to run away from that guy who always won at tag when he's pressed up right on you from the beginning and you can't move before the snap. That's a tough job. It takes special WR's to beat those guys on the regular.