Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
do me a favor, rank the QBs in the KS tenure, in SF
gimme a top ten, let's see what you got

to add on here, can KS make em look better with scheme?
, absolutely, he's one of the best playcallers, in the NFL

can KS find em, be it on the market or in the draft?
this is where it gets a lil dicey

can KS develop them / better year over year?
you tell me

Who played better elsewhere without Kyle?

You keep making it about Kyle picking him. Was a mistake. Are we in agreement?

I don't see any top 10, try doing a top 10 or top 5 without JG let's see it
49er QBs under KS.. he's had 7 years, let's see the greatest hits

I am glad we got JG, just needed to D up a 3rd and 15 and we'd have some real hardware.
sure I prefer Mahomes, but JG is the best KS has been able to do so far, unless you hand that over to Brock, but he's still early.. JG looked great early also, that was his best time here, before he really knew the system

We established long ago that Jimmy is a better QB than Brian Hoyer, Nick Mullens and CJ Beathard. Why must you continue on and on about this?

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Where are all the Jimmy G Cult members......just putting the final touches on the yellow jacket?

only 185 more pages to go

We can't let Jimmy being benched slow this thread down. We could talk about air yards again. That's always good for another +3 to +5 pages

That was his reaction to getting benched but still getting paid.

It's his let's get a coach and GM fired chant

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I don't see any top 10, try doing a top 10 or top 5 without JG let's see it
49er QBs under KS.. he's had 7 years, let's see the greatest hits

I am glad we got JG, just needed to D up a 3rd and 15 and we'd have some real hardware.
sure I prefer Mahomes, but JG is the best KS has been able to do so far, unless you hand that over to Brock, but he's still early.. JG looked great early also, that was his best time here, before he really knew the system

I'd give it to Brock already. The bumps he's hit recently were a pretty regular feature of Jimmy's game and Brock is effectively a rookie. And that's just the lows. He plays the position much better than Jimmy does.

Jimmy's the second best QB of Kyle's tenure though. It's just a really low bar. We haven't played anybody else I would think would even be considered a bottom barrel starter level player. Career backup types.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I don't see any top 10, try doing a top 10 or top 5 without JG let's see it
49er QBs under KS.. he's had 7 years, let's see the greatest hits

I am glad we got JG, just needed to D up a 3rd and 15 and we'd have some real hardware.
sure I prefer Mahomes, but JG is the best KS has been able to do so far, unless you hand that over to Brock, but he's still early.. JG looked great early also, that was his best time here, before he really knew the system

I'd give it to Brock already. The bumps he's hit recently were a pretty regular feature of Jimmy's game and Brock is effectively a rookie. And that's just the lows. He plays the position much better than Jimmy does.

Jimmy's the second best QB of Kyle's tenure though. It's just a really low bar. We haven't anybody else I would think would even be considered a bottom barrel starter level player. Career backup types.

that's the KS regime,
you almost have to separate it out

Playcaller - A
Talent identification - D
Improvement - D

ADD

we'll see if BP improves over time, has that happened under KS? not sure we can say it has, at QB
so there's a lot to be desired here, Griese already paying dividends tho that may be the ticket

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I don't see any top 10, try doing a top 10 or top 5 without JG let's see it
49er QBs under KS.. he's had 7 years, let's see the greatest hits

I am glad we got JG, just needed to D up a 3rd and 15 and we'd have some real hardware.
sure I prefer Mahomes, but JG is the best KS has been able to do so far, unless you hand that over to Brock, but he's still early.. JG looked great early also, that was his best time here, before he really knew the system

I'd give it to Brock already. The bumps he's hit recently were a pretty regular feature of Jimmy's game and Brock is effectively a rookie. And that's just the lows. He plays the position much better than Jimmy does.

Jimmy's the second best QB of Kyle's tenure though. It's just a really low bar. We haven't anybody else I would think would even be considered a bottom barrel starter level player. Career backup types.

that's the KS regime,
you almost have to separate it out

Playcaller - A
Talent identification - D
Improvement - D

ADD

we'll see if BP improves over time, has that happened under KS? not sure we can say it has, at QB
so there's a lot to be desired here, Griese already paying dividends tho that may be the ticket

Lol. Best roster in the NFL, but talent identification D. 😂

You just want everyone to mock you huh

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I don't see any top 10, try doing a top 10 or top 5 without JG let's see it
49er QBs under KS.. he's had 7 years, let's see the greatest hits

I am glad we got JG, just needed to D up a 3rd and 15 and we'd have some real hardware.
sure I prefer Mahomes, but JG is the best KS has been able to do so far, unless you hand that over to Brock, but he's still early.. JG looked great early also, that was his best time here, before he really knew the system

I'd give it to Brock already. The bumps he's hit recently were a pretty regular feature of Jimmy's game and Brock is effectively a rookie. And that's just the lows. He plays the position much better than Jimmy does.

Jimmy's the second best QB of Kyle's tenure though. It's just a really low bar. We haven't anybody else I would think would even be considered a bottom barrel starter level player. Career backup types.

that's the KS regime,
you almost have to separate it out

Playcaller - A
Talent identification - D
Improvement - D

ADD

we'll see if BP improves over time, has that happened under KS? not sure we can say it has, at QB
so there's a lot to be desired here, Griese already paying dividends tho that may be the ticket

Lol. Best roster in the NFL, but talent identification D. 😂

You just want everyone to mock you huh

I'm talking about QBs he's acquired

you get another one of these

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
that's the KS regime,
you almost have to separate it out

Playcaller - A
Talent identification - D
Improvement - D

ADD

we'll see if BP improves over time, has that happened under KS? not sure we can say it has, at QB
so there's a lot to be desired here, Griese already paying dividends tho that may be the ticket

Definitely agree with you in the context of talent identification.

I don't about improvement though. I don't look at pro coaching, especially HC in the NFL, as being responsible for fundamental development. Minor tweaks here and there… sure. Primary job is to build the team around players' strengths and help them understand what opponents are doing so they can be prepared to deal with it. Kyle is good at these things (though he's not perfect). He can't turn water into wine.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
that's the KS regime,
you almost have to separate it out

Playcaller - A
Talent identification - D
Improvement - D

ADD

we'll see if BP improves over time, has that happened under KS? not sure we can say it has, at QB
so there's a lot to be desired here, Griese already paying dividends tho that may be the ticket

Definitely agree with you in the context of talent identification.

I don't about improvement though. I don't look at pro coaching, especially HC in the NFL, as being responsible for fundamental development. Minor tweaks here and there… sure. Primary job is to build the team around players' strengths and help them understand what opponents are doing so they can be prepared to deal with it. Kyle is good at these things (though he's not perfect). He can't turn water into wine though.

but I just don't see any QB improvement, JG was seemingly best in 2017, and was here a long time
that's a lot of weekly film to review

Lance just got worse seemingly, or didn't develop, granted as you mention a coach can only do so much,
Can we point to any example of a QB growing or improving over time with Shanny?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I don't see any top 10, try doing a top 10 or top 5 without JG let's see it
49er QBs under KS.. he's had 7 years, let's see the greatest hits

I am glad we got JG, just needed to D up a 3rd and 15 and we'd have some real hardware.
sure I prefer Mahomes, but JG is the best KS has been able to do so far, unless you hand that over to Brock, but he's still early.. JG looked great early also, that was his best time here, before he really knew the system

I'd give it to Brock already. The bumps he's hit recently were a pretty regular feature of Jimmy's game and Brock is effectively a rookie. And that's just the lows. He plays the position much better than Jimmy does.

Jimmy's the second best QB of Kyle's tenure though. It's just a really low bar. We haven't anybody else I would think would even be considered a bottom barrel starter level player. Career backup types.

that's the KS regime,
you almost have to separate it out

Playcaller - A
Talent identification - D
Improvement - D

ADD

we'll see if BP improves over time, has that happened under KS? not sure we can say it has, at QB
so there's a lot to be desired here, Griese already paying dividends tho that may be the ticket

Lol. Best roster in the NFL, but talent identification D. 😂

You just want everyone to mock you huh

I'm talking about QBs he's acquired

you get another one of these

He gets a D grade in talent identification, in spite of the fact that he had Jimmy....a guy you have defended like he was your son every day you are on this board.....since 2017?

Make it make sense.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
but I just don't see any QB improvement, JG was seemingly best in 2017, and was here a long time
that's a lot of weekly film to review

Lance just got worse seemingly, or didn't develop, granted as you mention a coach can only do so much,
Can we point to any example of a QB growing or improving over time with Shanny?

That's my point. I don't look at developing the fundamentals of a player as pro coach's job (outside of minor tweaks), especially an NFL HC.

The way pro coaches help players succeed is by putting them in position to do so. Not many better than Kyle at that.

Trey is the easiest example of this. You have a segment of fans who believe we failed to develop him, but to me it was a failure in talent identification and scouting and that's going to show over time.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
but I just don't see any QB improvement, JG was seemingly best in 2017, and was here a long time
that's a lot of weekly film to review

Lance just got worse seemingly, or didn't develop, granted as you mention a coach can only do so much,
Can we point to any example of a QB growing or improving over time with Shanny?

He played 5 games in 2017. He didn't improve because he wasn't capable.

Matt Ryan absolutely improved. Matt Schaub did. Nick Mulles did. They all had ceilings though so he could only do so much.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
He gets a D grade in talent identification, in spite of the fact that he had Jimmy....a guy you have defended like he was your son every day you are on this board.....since 2017?

Make it make sense.

ok i'll make it make sense, he spent 3 ones on Trey Lance
google the ROI on that one

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
He gets a D grade in talent identification, in spite of the fact that he had Jimmy....a guy you have defended like he was your son every day you are on this board.....since 2017?

Make it make sense.

Kyle identifying talent is a D but Jimmy is probably a B+ in his eyes. It makes zero sense.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
He played 5 games in 2017. He didn't improve because he wasn't capable.

Matt Ryan absolutely improved. Matt Schaub did. Nick Mulles did. They all had ceilings though so he could only do so much.

He just put those guys into positions to be successful better than other coaches they had. He highlighted talent and skill that was already there.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
ok i'll make it make sense, he spent 3 ones on Trey Lance
google the ROI on that one

137 mil on Jimmy
3 1sts on Trey

Both bad moves. Can't pretend Jimmy was still good tho and call it bad. That's the slight of hand BS.