Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by AmpLee:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
One trick that I like to keep the Cap spending sensible is frontloading the heck out of all these contracts, so that you maintain cap flexibility. In Jimmy's case, if somehow you can frontload his (lets say 5 year contract) and have two of the 5 years be frontloaded so that the last three are very cap friendly, man that's a win for both sides.

yup agree...one issue with front loading deals is when the player is playing at a high level towards the end of that contract as isn't making elite money anymore (cause they got a good chunk at the beginning).

It happened with Vernon Davis and he tried to hold out

Yeah, but that's just poor behavior on the player's part who knows they were taken care of early. There's no argument there unless it's through an ill-informed media and fan base. Staley is s great example of a front loaded player who has never come back to complain. Although he would have an argument since he has outplayed his deal in general.

A guy like Jimmy who would, I assume, care about securing a team built around him, would be on board for a front loaded deal, as long as that deal would average him a top 5 salary over the life of it.

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Matt Maiocco just reported Niners and Jimmy g will talk multi year contract extension offseason if not done by March 6 will use franchise tag.

No brainer.

Originally posted by AmpLee:
In other news...

Man Walked on the Moon!

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Matt Maiocco just reported Niners and Jimmy g will talk multi year contract extension offseason if not done by March 6 will use franchise tag.

No brainer.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:

Matt Maiocco just reported Niners and Jimmy g will talk multi year contract extension offseason if not done by March 6 will use franchise tag.

No brainer.

Ya got a link?

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Matt Maiocco just reported Niners and Jimmy g will talk multi year contract extension offseason if not done by March 6 will use franchise tag.

No brainer.

Ya got a link?

I wouldn't say that's new news. I think everyone knew as long as Jimmy G was good, we were going to look for a long-term deal first and then use the tag if we had to.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:

I'm expecting a discount on Jimmy's contract if he has a bad game vs the Rams backups. #winwin

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
One trick that I like to keep the Cap spending sensible is frontloading the heck out of all these contracts, so that you maintain cap flexibility. In Jimmy's case, if somehow you can frontload his (lets say 5 year contract) and have two of the 5 years be frontloaded so that the last three are very cap friendly, man that's a win for both sides.

yup agree...one issue with front loading deals is when the player is playing at a high level towards the end of that contract as isn't making elite money anymore (cause they got a good chunk at the beginning).

It happened with Vernon Davis and he tried to hold out

That's easy, put in performance bonuses in there to pay him a bit more money in the end, but not something that will break the cap. But yeah, if the player doesn't understand that he got his money a long time ago and he sees his salary one half of the market value of all tight ends, that's going to be a problem.

yup and I think that's why not a lot of teams do it.

Happened with V. Davis, Kam Chancellor, Michael Bennett, Duane Brown

Front loading isn't quite as popular as well because of the newer CBA with cap rollover. That rollover makes it more "six one way, half a dozen the other" because, ok, you take 30 mil this year and 20 mil next year for 50 mil. But, if you take 20 this year you'll have 10 that'll rollover into next year and so next year you pay him 30 but 10 of it is rollover and you ended up the same.

I know what I just wrote is confusing.... let's talk a hypothetical. Say we have 115 in cap space and we do a 5 year deal and look at the first 3 years - assuming no other players cap affects anything how does the different structures matter and assuming a 50 mil cap space number each year.

2018, 115 starting cap - front load - 35 mil sal, 80 mil left over
2019, 50 + 80 rollover 130 mil - 25 mil sal = 105 mil left over
2020, 50 mil + 105 rollover = 155 - 15 mil sal = 140 left over

Backload
2018, 115 starting - 15 mil = 100 mil left over
2019, 50 + 100 rollover 150 mil - 25 mil sal = 125 mil left over
2020, 50 + 125 rollover - 175 mil - 35 mil sal = 140 mil left over

Again, that's just for demonstration purposes but you see how the structure of the contract doesn't matter as much because if you take from year 1 to save on year 3 you don't roll as much cap over so it's all coming out the same.

The best way to think about it isn't in the year to year structure but the total 5 year structure during required spending times.

Originally posted by braap49er:

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
I'm expecting a discount on Jimmy's contract if he has a bad game vs the Rams backups. #winwin

He won't be getting any kind of discount after beating up the Jags defense.