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Oct 25, 2018 at 1:11 PM
To me it's more how many blown assignments there are on defense, and how confused the guys in the secondary are before and after the snap.
Oct 25, 2018 at 1:12 PM
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Originally posted by FL9er:
Originally posted by jcs:
You replace him because this team is 1-6 and his defense is ranked 31 in the league in points per game given up. Last in turnovers. Last in Sacks.

Nonsense. I'm not saying he's Dick LeBeau, but that speaks more to a lack of talent more than anything else.
Missed tackles, missed assignments, Diamond Formation and his D leads the NFL in missed tackles.
Oct 25, 2018 at 1:22 PM
Originally posted by okdkid:
I don't know what the point of firing Saleh would be if he's not replaced with a clear and obvious proven DC.

I'm talking about a Gus Bradley, Wade Phillips type.

When healthy in 2019 -- after a few FA and draft additions -- this is a team with legitimate playoff hopes. There's no need to make a change simply to pacify a frustrated fan base if the new coach isn't obviously a playoff caliber DC.

Well everyone and their mother wanted Wade after the work he did in Denver, and we went after Bradley and Fangio but neither came to fruition, so what can you do?

We could try Jack del Rio, or Todd Bowles if he gets fired. Pete Carroll and Dan Quinn are pipe dreams let's be real.
Oct 25, 2018 at 1:27 PM
Originally posted by jcs:
You replace him because this team is 1-6 and his defense is ranked 31 in the league in points per game given up. Last in turnovers. Last in Sacks.

We're not last in sacks, but we are bottom 5. The rest is correct.

But hey we're 19th in yards allowed! And have more sacks than the Patriots!!
Oct 25, 2018 at 2:00 PM
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by okdkid:
I don't know what the point of firing Saleh would be if he's not replaced with a clear and obvious proven DC.

I'm talking about a Gus Bradley, Wade Phillips type.

When healthy in 2019 -- after a few FA and draft additions -- this is a team with legitimate playoff hopes. There's no need to make a change simply to pacify a frustrated fan base if the new coach isn't obviously a playoff caliber DC.

Agree.

You replace him because this team is 1-6 and his defense is ranked 31 in the league in points per game given up. Last in turnovers. Last in Sacks.

No. You give him talented to succeed.
Oct 25, 2018 at 2:01 PM
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Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by okdkid:
I don't know what the point of firing Saleh would be if he's not replaced with a clear and obvious proven DC.

I'm talking about a Gus Bradley, Wade Phillips type.

When healthy in 2019 -- after a few FA and draft additions -- this is a team with legitimate playoff hopes. There's no need to make a change simply to pacify a frustrated fan base if the new coach isn't obviously a playoff caliber DC.

Agree.

You replace him because this team is 1-6 and his defense is ranked 31 in the league in points per game given up. Last in turnovers. Last in Sacks.

No. You give him talented to succeed.
He has a lot of young talent that he's not developing, a lot of it has actually regressed under his watch.
Oct 25, 2018 at 2:11 PM
As much as I don't like Saleh the number 1 issue right now is talent and lack of play makers on the defense. Getting rid of Saleh and not addressing the talent won't help. We need to do both
Oct 25, 2018 at 2:13 PM
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by okdkid:
I don't know what the point of firing Saleh would be if he's not replaced with a clear and obvious proven DC.

I'm talking about a Gus Bradley, Wade Phillips type.

When healthy in 2019 -- after a few FA and draft additions -- this is a team with legitimate playoff hopes. There's no need to make a change simply to pacify a frustrated fan base if the new coach isn't obviously a playoff caliber DC.

Agree.

You replace him because this team is 1-6 and his defense is ranked 31 in the league in points per game given up. Last in turnovers. Last in Sacks.

No. You give him talented to succeed.
He has a lot of young talent that he's not developing, a lot of it has actually regressed under his watch.

There aren't many who would say this team has "a lot" of talent on defense. There is some. And there certainly are some that could be developed, But many that need to be replaced with better players in nearly every position. You can't make chicken salad with a little chicken and a lot of chicken "bleep."
Oct 25, 2018 at 2:16 PM
He needs to go. The defense doesn't even have that many players injured. So many high draft picks. Everyone seems to be regressing as well. There is no excuse for this defense to suck so much. You even have a shutdown corner!
Oct 25, 2018 at 2:43 PM
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by okdkid:
I don't know what the point of firing Saleh would be if he's not replaced with a clear and obvious proven DC.

I'm talking about a Gus Bradley, Wade Phillips type.

When healthy in 2019 -- after a few FA and draft additions -- this is a team with legitimate playoff hopes. There's no need to make a change simply to pacify a frustrated fan base if the new coach isn't obviously a playoff caliber DC.

Agree.

You replace him because this team is 1-6 and his defense is ranked 31 in the league in points per game given up. Last in turnovers. Last in Sacks.

No. You give him talented to succeed.
He has a lot of young talent that he's not developing, a lot of it has actually regressed under his watch.

I completely agree. It's no accident that Colbert, Foster and Witherspoon all of a sudden can't play. The guy needs to be replaced after the clock hits zero in the finale.

Oct 25, 2018 at 2:52 PM
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by okdkid:
I don't know what the point of firing Saleh would be if he's not replaced with a clear and obvious proven DC.

I'm talking about a Gus Bradley, Wade Phillips type.

When healthy in 2019 -- after a few FA and draft additions -- this is a team with legitimate playoff hopes. There's no need to make a change simply to pacify a frustrated fan base if the new coach isn't obviously a playoff caliber DC.

Agree.

You replace him because this team is 1-6 and his defense is ranked 31 in the league in points per game given up. Last in turnovers. Last in Sacks.

No. You give him talented to succeed.
He has a lot of young talent that he's not developing, a lot of it has actually regressed under his watch.

Oct 26, 2018 at 2:01 PM
Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Originally posted by okdkid:
I don't know what the point of firing Saleh would be if he's not replaced with a clear and obvious proven DC.

I'm talking about a Gus Bradley, Wade Phillips type.

When healthy in 2019 -- after a few FA and draft additions -- this is a team with legitimate playoff hopes. There's no need to make a change simply to pacify a frustrated fan base if the new coach isn't obviously a playoff caliber DC.

Agree.

You replace him because this team is 1-6 and his defense is ranked 31 in the league in points per game given up. Last in turnovers. Last in Sacks.

No. You give him talented to succeed.
He has a lot of young talent that he's not developing, a lot of it has actually regressed under his watch.


This

We are 31st in points, and that is all that matters
Oct 26, 2018 at 2:06 PM
Originally posted by lamontb:
As much as I don't like Saleh the number 1 issue right now is talent and lack of play makers on the defense. Getting rid of Saleh and not addressing the talent won't help. We need to do both

that is true, but he's not getting the most out of the few good defensive players we have. our scheme is too predictable, and we don't have all pros ready to play this vanilla cover 3. he just can't out smart other OCs, and that's a huge problem. he needs to go before he ruins the confidence of our players.
Oct 26, 2018 at 2:27 PM
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by lamontb:
As much as I don't like Saleh the number 1 issue right now is talent and lack of play makers on the defense. Getting rid of Saleh and not addressing the talent won't help. We need to do both

that is true, but he's not getting the most out of the few good defensive players we have. our scheme is too predictable, and we don't have all pros ready to play this vanilla cover 3. he just can't out smart other OCs, and that's a huge problem. he needs to go before he ruins the confidence of our players.
I agree with you. We do need some upgrades though. But I simply don't think he's a great teacher per se. He's just not teaching whatever it is correctly. It's not getting through to the players.
Oct 26, 2018 at 2:55 PM
Originally posted by lamontb:
As much as I don't like Saleh the number 1 issue right now is talent and lack of play makers on the defense. Getting rid of Saleh and not addressing the talent won't help. We need to do both

Along with this, tho, is where an ace DC , proven, hard disciplinarian, great motivator...could really help John and kyle...where? In FA and draft, where they obviously need help. And no more kylee jumping up and taking his QB or his RB. Let the GM, DC and HC do that...of which he is just 1/3. He has not had great choices at QB, wth Hoyer and CJ. Nor at RB with Joe W. Kyle isn't as infallible as the thinks he is. A great DC would be incredibly helpful. For a lot of reasons.
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