The Arizona Cardinals are going to finish last in the NFC West in 2015?

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Didn't you guys hear they're going to be dressing in the Niners locker room next February.

As what... cheerleaders / our b!ches?!!

thread shud be changed to: seahags will finish last in NFC West in 2015

arizona will be 2nd to last

Originally posted by LisaTwelve:

Originally posted by elguapo:

No need to be sorry.

I'm sorry that the niners have the edge in
Ol
Front seven
Wr
Better pass rush and run d

And Seattle has the edge in
secondary
Rb


I would say qbs are close, especially since rw is not good at all when his defense isn't spectacular even when lynch is he has done a poor job in the playoffs in spite of having the best d and rb unlike kap who is much better with a lot less help with a worse d and rb and carried his team. Wilson has just managed his team.

Sorry

I'm not sure a 6-2 record with a 97.8 rating is considered 'poor'.
RW has definitely had a couple of clunkers (GB and NO) though the Hawks managed to win both.
While his first playoff loss (ATL) certainly had nothing to due with his performance, as it was one of the best of his young career.

Anyhoo - thought this thread was supposed to be about the Cards

Anyways.....always throwing up qb rating as evidence of Wilson being anything but a solid to good game manager but the reality is ANY qb, even 2nd stringers would have a rating or at least 80-85 when their RB AND DEFENSE DOES ALL THE WORK. Dam. Some people will just never learn.

It's like saying Dilfer had a great year on the ravens when the reality is the running game and d were tops.

It's like saying brad Johnson was great most of the time when tb defense and running game won it.

It's like saying terry Bradshaw did great when he had the best d of all time and one of the top rbs of all time not to mention 2 count em 2 hall of game wrs. Wow.

Just put it to rest. And although this is about the cards, sometimes, threads go off topic for a few posts. It's ok, no reason for alarm.

Originally posted by LisaTwelve:

Originally posted by elguapo:

No need to be sorry.

I'm sorry that the niners have the edge in
Ol
Front seven
Wr
Better pass rush and run d

And Seattle has the edge in
secondary
Rb


I would say qbs are close, especially since rw is not good at all when his defense isn't spectacular even when lynch is he has done a poor job in the playoffs in spite of having the best d and rb unlike kap who is much better with a lot less help with a worse d and rb and carried his team. Wilson has just managed his team.

Sorry

I'm not sure a 6-2 record with a 97.8 rating is considered 'poor'.
RW has definitely had a couple of clunkers (GB and NO) though the Hawks managed to win both.
While his first playoff loss (ATL) certainly had nothing to due with his performance, as it was one of the best of his young career.

Anyhoo - thought this thread was supposed to be about the Cards

Anyways.....always throwing up qb rating as evidence of Wilson being anything but a solid to good game manager but the reality is ANY qb, even 2nd stringers would have a rating or at least 80-85 when their RB AND DEFENSE DOES ALL THE WORK. Dam. Some people will just never learn.

It's like saying Dilfer had a great year on the ravens when the reality is the running game and d were tops.

It's like saying brad Johnson was great most of the time when tb defense and running game won it.

It's like saying terry Bradshaw did great when he had the best d of all time and one of the top rbs of all time not to mention 2 count em 2 hall of game wrs. Wow.

Just put it to rest. And although this is about the cards, sometimes, threads go off topic for a few posts. It's ok, no reason for alarm.

A post so good I had to post it twice

Originally posted by 49erfan4life4:
thread shud be changed to: seahags will finish last in NFC West in 2015

arizona will be 2nd to last

not gonna lie, I can see that as clear as day

Originally posted by NeonNiner:
Besides having a historically elite defense the past two years with one of the premier secondaries in history, they also have a better QB, the best back in the game, and they just traded for the best TE in the game not named Gronk, who is more of a legit #1 receiving option than anyone the Niners have.

Niners have the edge at overall receiving talent/depth and the best linebackers. Probably OL too although neither are nothing to rave about and Seattle's line is pretty depleted.

Seattle is clearly the most complete and stacked team in the division. This isn't up for debate. Plus they've owned us the past few years. I don't expect that to change with Tomsula and co. and an even weaker Niners team.

Nice to see someone who isn't blinded by his love of the 49ers. I just made a avatar bet on another site that the 49ers would have a better record then the Cleveland Browns. The frigging Browns. To top it off it was with a Steeler fan who hates the Brown and isn't no idiot when it comes to posting about the NFL.

Regarding the OP: Arians should stop doing interviews. He just makes himself sound like Rex. His comments alone make me hope they flop. It's so up in the air with that team but with the offensive line and defensive transactions that they've had, I think they'll be 2nd or 3rd in the division provided Palmer doesn't tear another ACL. If they somehow work out a trade with MIN for AP, I think they are instantly a divisional contender. Without him I give them a 50/50 chance of being 2nd or 3rd in the division.

Originally posted by elguapo:
Anyways.....always throwing up qb rating as evidence of Wilson being anything but a solid to good game manager but the reality is ANY qb, even 2nd stringers would have a rating or at least 80-85 when their RB AND DEFENSE DOES ALL THE WORK. Dam. Some people will just never learn.

It's like saying Dilfer had a great year on the ravens when the reality is the running game and d were tops.

It's like saying brad Johnson was great most of the time when tb defense and running game won it.

It's like saying terry Bradshaw did great when he had the best d of all time and one of the top rbs of all time not to mention 2 count em 2 hall of game wrs. Wow.

Just put it to rest. And although this is about the cards, sometimes, threads go off topic for a few posts. It's ok, no reason for alarm.

A post so good I had to post it twice

Nobody would argue that Dilfer had a great year because he didn't. His TD/INT ratio was nearly 1:1 and he posted a passer rating of 76.6 (well below the 80-85 you say any 2nd stringer would post). They did have an amazing defense and their running game was very good which is why their rushing offense was ranked 8th in DVOA that year despite a terrible passing offense which ranked 22nd in yards and 24th in DVOA. Neither the amazing defense or great running game masked his sub-par quarterbacking.

Johnson's not a very good example because contrary to your statement, he didn't have a great running game to support him (27th in rushing and 28th in DVOA).

Wilson's 2013 super bowl winning season, his passing offense was a measly 26th in yards but somehow 8th in DVOA? Wilson contributed 42% of the rushing yards that Lynch did in an offense that ranked 4th in yards and 7th in DVOA on the ground.

There are some similarities in the examples that you provide but they pretty much end at all three teams having below average passing yardage and good defenses.

Here are three quarterbacks that you mentioned and three other quarterbacks in the year of their first super bowl victory. Without the benefit of hindsight, I doubt Wilson ends up being in the bottom three if you're predicting future success for most people.

http://pfref.com/tiny/vOyxy

Only one of the 6 had a defense that wasn't ranked in the top 6 btw.

Point being, differ and brad Johnson managed their way to earning a sb ring.

What you neglect is that both the qbs you mentioned were on less dominant teams than the Seahawks. But maybe you are thinking in depth, just looking at stats and ratings. That is for sure the wrong way to argue this and you seem to be missing the point.

The ravens played many many weak teams that year and don't you think with the rule changes brad Johnson's and differs ratings would of improved??? Most likely yes. Also, RW had the number one d and RB and the others did not so that even further proves my point that RW needs to do even less. Thank you very much.

You also pointed out that tb had a bad running game??? Not really, their offense did suck but they had DUNN and ALSTOTT and both were very good running backs. So Johnson was a good example if you cared to get the point of the post being game managers would do very well on Seattle possibly a lot better than RW, especially in the playoffs this year and last.

Originally posted by elguapo:
Point being, differ and brad Johnson managed their way to earning a sb ring.

What you neglect is that both the qbs you mentioned were on less dominant teams than the Seahawks. But maybe you are thinking in depth, just looking at stats and ratings. That is for sure the wrong way to argue this and you seem to be missing the point.

The ravens played many many weak teams that year and don't you think with the rule changes brad Johnson's and differs ratings would of improved??? Most likely yes. Also, RW had the number one d and RB and the others did not so that even further proves my point that RW needs to do even less. Thank you very much.

You also pointed out that tb had a bad running game??? Not really, their offense did suck but they had DUNN and ALSTOTT and both were very good running backs. So Johnson was a good example if you cared to get the point of the post being game managers would do very well on Seattle possibly a lot better than RW, especially in the playoffs this year and last.

Dunn played for Atlanta in 2002, not Tampa.

In any case, I really don't want to take this thread further off topic, maybe we can continue this one in that other thread?

Originally posted by NeonNiner:

Besides having a historically elite defense the past two years with one of the premier secondaries in history, they also have a better QB, the best back in the game, and they just traded for the best TE in the game not named Gronk, who is more of a legit #1 receiving option than anyone the Niners have.

Niners have the edge at overall receiving talent/depth and the best linebackers. Probably OL too although neither are nothing to rave about and Seattle's line is pretty depleted.

Seattle is clearly the most complete and stacked team in the division. This isn't up for debate. Plus they've owned us the past few years. I don't expect that to change with Tomsula and co. and an even weaker Niners team.

In case you haven't noticed, Neon, this is not the Seahawks forum. This is the 49ers forum. If you don't think the relative strength of our divisional opponents is up for debate you are probably in the wrong site. Try .net.

Originally posted by NorthWest:

Originally posted by NeonNiner:
Besides having a historically elite defense the past two years with one of the premier secondaries in history, they also have a better QB, the best back in the game, and they just traded for the best TE in the game not named Gronk, who is more of a legit #1 receiving option than anyone the Niners have.

Niners have the edge at overall receiving talent/depth and the best linebackers. Probably OL too although neither are nothing to rave about and Seattle's line is pretty depleted.

Seattle is clearly the most complete and stacked team in the division. This isn't up for debate. Plus they've owned us the past few years. I don't expect that to change with Tomsula and co. and an even weaker Niners team.

Nice to see someone who isn't blinded by his love of the 49ers. I just made a avatar bet on another site that the 49ers would have a better record then the Cleveland Browns. The frigging Browns. To top it off it was with a Steeler fan who hates the Brown and isn't no idiot when it comes to posting about the NFL.

That's what's so great about these forums. Two Seahawk fans can come together and agree on something!

Originally posted by NorthWest:

Nice to see someone who isn't blinded by his love of the 49ers. I just made a avatar bet on another site that the 49ers would have a better record then the Cleveland Browns. The frigging Browns. To top it off it was with a Steeler fan who hates the Brown and isn't no idiot when it comes to posting about the NFL.

so he is an idiot? or the other guy involved in this bet?

Originally posted by crake49:

That's what's so great about these forums. Two Seahawk fans can come together and agree on something!

And then there was one!

Arizona Rattlers >>> Arizona Tardinals

Between them and the Rams. Nick Foles won't save the Rams. Palmer is injury prone. Idk.