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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
LIke NCommand, I have slowly come around to the fact that it really is HaRo, so any blame is schidt can playcalling falls on both.

Here is what it comes down for me...1) the offensive philosophy is a winner but it isn't enough to take us to the top, 2) I watch other OC's and how they scheme, gameplan, attack and how they use all of their personnel (incorporate everyone) and I can't help but be impressed and wished we had that kind of "thinking" here and 3) I just don't think our coaches are smarter than some of the teams we'll face to get to and win the Superbowl (don't have that confidence yet) despite having the best personnel and roster in the NFL.

That said, I hope they prove me wrong...obviously.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
LIke NCommand, I have slowly come around to the fact that it really is HaRo, so any blame is schidt can playcalling falls on both.

Here is what it comes down for me...1) the offensive philosophy is a winner but it isn't enough to take us to the top, 2) I watch other OC's and how they scheme, gameplan, attack and how they use all of their personnel (incorporate everyone) and I can't help but be impressed and wished we had that kind of "thinking" here and 3) I just don't think our coaches are smarter than some of the teams we'll face to get to and win the Superbowl (don't have that confidence yet) despite having the best personnel and roster in the NFL.

That said, I hope they prove me wrong...obviously.
of course both are to blame, they were in the super bowl, they were all last year and they were on sunday. it is not exactly shock and awe that it continues despite all the new"toys" we have. you just have to hope we can again win despite the bad play calling..... but we have to meet them half way,, the players have to f**king stop with the penalties and learn to play within these new rules and ck can not make the bushel amount of turnovers he did sunday,,,,, great bears plays notwithstanding in my opinion
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on a side note,, it is always a honor when i can respond to two of my webzone heroes in doc and command at the same time
Originally posted by cciowa:
on a side note,, it is always a honor when i can respond to two of my webzone heroes in doc and command at the same time

LOL. Thanks, man!

Yeah, I've been posting this for a while now...it seems like when we lose, it's almost always in epic fashion AND a complete and total collapse from the top-down..a full team effort. It happens but damn, look at that pattern. 4-0 to open the season and 1-3 in game 2. THAT is a pattern...and there are a lot of patterns to see after 3+ years now.
Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. Thanks, man!

Yeah, I've been posting this for a while now...it seems like when we lose, it's almost always in epic fashion AND a complete and total collapse from the top-down..a full team effort. It happens but damn, look at that pattern. 4-0 to open the season and 1-3 in game 2. THAT is a pattern...and there are a lot of patterns to see after 3+ years now.

We are also 1-3 in game 3 over the last 4 years. Hopefully that pattern is about to break because a divisional loss is huge. I think they get their crap together and win this week.
Originally posted by ltrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL. Thanks, man!

Yeah, I've been posting this for a while now...it seems like when we lose, it's almost always in epic fashion AND a complete and total collapse from the top-down..a full team effort. It happens but damn, look at that pattern. 4-0 to open the season and 1-3 in game 2. THAT is a pattern...and there are a lot of patterns to see after 3+ years now.

We are also 1-3 in game 3 over the last 4 years. Hopefully that pattern is about to break because a divisional loss is huge. I think they get their crap together and win this week.

Crap. I didn't know that. Yeah, 1 conference loss and 1 in-divsion loss would be brutal at this stage.
I remember hearing this guy interviewed for the podcast. He did a great job...lots of talk afterwards of how we rarely attack with 3 WR's and esp. in the middle of the field (almost all our offense is to the sidelines).

10 Noticeable in-season trends during the 2013 Season:
1. Greg Roman's pattern of hiding the Pistol Formation periodically throughout the season before calling it every week to end the regular season and in every Playoff game.
2. There were noticeable changes in the red zone personnel groupings after Crabtree came back from injury.There was a sharp increase in the number of 11 Personnel (1.58 per game without Crabtree, 3.42 per game with Crabtree) and 12 Personnel (1.33 per game without Crabtree, 2.71 per game with Crabtree) plays called. The 49ers' red zone offense ran 22 Personnel plays 3.75 times per game without Crabtree but it decreased to 3.28 times per game with Crabtree.
3. There were also changes in the red zone play calling after Crabtree came back from injury. The number of red zone pass plays per game went up from 4.41 per game without Crabtree to 5.28 per game with Crabtree. There are plays designed to get Crabtree the ball in space quickly as an extension of the run game. However, Kaepernick passing the ball vertically (Vertical, Fade, BS Fade, Flag, or Post routes) to Crabtree was not successful at all for the 49ers' 2013 red zone offense. Crabtree had 7 vertical targets (4-Vertical, 2-Flag, 1-Fade) and none were completed to him and one was intercepted.
4. Pistol formation red zone plays per game decreased from 1.91 per game without Crabtree to .71 per game with Crabtree.
5. The 49ers went from scoring 2 red zone touchdowns per game without Crabtree to 1.83 red zone touchdowns per game with Crabtree.
6. The move man or motion man is the key to their run game as the run is usually directed off of one of his shoulders. Basically follow the motion man because that's where the run is going and the motion man is putting himself in the best position to carry out the block. There are definite patterns to their motion and blocking as detailed throughout the report.
7. In 7OL Personnel, if the Move player motions across the formation he was down blocking the Defensive End on 7 of the 8 runs.
8. In 22 Personnel, if the U motions to the C gap he was the outside block of lane 5 out of 6 times.
9. When they needed a tough yard for a 1st Down or a Touchdown they went to 7OL Personnel.
10. They ran the triple option in the year 2013! They ran triple option both with the traditional two Running Backs where the first option is a FB dive and also one with the first option being a player in motion.

10 Trends to watch for from the 2014 49ers red zone offense:
1. Following the 2013 Season the 49ers drafted a Running Back, a Fullback, a Guard and a Center. This is a good indicator that there will be a sustained commitment to 49ers' smash-mouth football going forward.
2. Triple option plays started getting called towards the tail end of the season and that should spill over into 2014, perhaps as a tactic to get more of their talented Running Backs on the field at the same time.
3. I expect someone else will start taking carries from Gore. That someone could quite possibly be Carlos Hyde.
4. I expect the 49ers will pass the ball in the red zone more in 2014 than they did in 2013 due to the additions of Ellington and Johnson to the WR corps and a healthy Crabtree.
5. I expect Crabtree will have the best season of his career from a statistical standpoint in 2014. He is in a contract year and he is heavily targeted by Kaepernick in the red zone.
6. I expect Kaepernick will have the best year of his career from a statistical standpoint in 2014.
7. I expect Jumbo Personnel to continue to be used heavily, although not as heavily as 2013.
8. However, I expect the Jumbo Personnel package will continue to grow more varied in the play calls.
9. I expect the amount of red zone pistol usage will increase in 2014 as it is still a highly productive formation for the 49ers.
10. And last but not least……the exotic pre-snap shifts will continue.

http://www.thefootballeducator.com/san-francisco-49ers-red-zone-offense/#ixzz3DXvr5pAO
[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 17, 2014 at 11:49 AM ]
I agree with other posters... the stubbornness of both Roman and probably to a bigger extent, Harbaugh, is driving me crazy. They love to "prove people wrong" or try to do things totally unnatural. For example, we ran almost every time Hyde was on the field last week, barely used PA, and barely used read-option.

This week, we rarely ran with Hyde on the field, run a ton of PA (1st half), and used a bunch of s**tty read-option plays.

It's as if they are thinking ahead to teams that will review this tape and try to be SO unpredictable to gameplan agains that they fall flat with a lead and overall don't have any type of direction during the actual game at hand. I don't understand... and Jimmie Ward continuing to be on Brandon Marshall??? Wtf?! Baffling.
Mods, can we change the title of this thread to: HaRo Offense
Back in July (4th), Fropwns did a nice little bit pulling in some quality analysts to gauge how we'll do offensively this year and help set up more realistic expectations. I know it's only Week 2 but I wanted to see if we're on par with the projections. Bold represents the predictions and italicized represents where we project after two weeks:

Receiving:
WR1 (Boldin) = 96 & 1,360
WR2 (Crabtree) = 64 & 976
WR3 (Davis) = 32 & 560
WR4 (Johnson) = 31 & 500
HB (Combined) = 40 & 336
WR1 (Boldin) = 80 & 1,064
WR2 (Crabtree) = 72 & 856
WR3 (Davis) = 26 & 664
WR4 (Johnson) = 32 & 472
HB (Combined) = 24 & 136

Total Passing:
263 RPY & 3,700 YPY
234 RPY & 3,192 YPY

Kaepernick: (Big help from Niners816)
Attempts – 480
Completions – 300
Completion % – 62.5%
Yards – 3,700
TD's – 25
INT's – 10
QB Rating – 95.0
Rushing Yards – 500
Rushing TD's – 5
Attempts – 456
Completions – 296
Completion % – 64.9%
Yards – 3,592
TD's – 24
INT's – 24
QB Rating – 84.9
Rushing Yards – 616
Rushing TD's – 0

Total Rushing:
2,125 YPY & 4.37 YPCA
2,048 YPY & 4.00 YPCA

Summary: It looks like we're right on par for CK although, very high on INT's at the moment, that can expect to drop off as we carry on but everything else seems spot on. Receiving also looks like expected but with less passes to the RB's thus far and less total yards. Overall rushing looks the same as always (which includes CK's stats). We're right on target...
[ Edited by NCommand on Sep 17, 2014 at 2:35 PM ]
^^ Tremendous job with the predictions, guys. Pretty much on point. I'm encouraged by Kap's 64.9% completion rate. It shows we're using more of a ball control type passing game, shorter routes to WRs to establish a passing game rhythm. It hasn't been perfect, but it's a start. That 24 INT projection will surely go down in the coming weeks. He generally does a good job of protecting the football.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
^^ Tremendous job with the predictions, guys. Pretty much on point. I'm encouraged by Kap's 64.9% completion rate. It shows we're using more of a ball control type passing game, shorter routes to WRs to establish a passing game rhythm. It hasn't been perfect, but it's a start. That 24 INT projection will surely go down in the coming weeks. He generally does a good job of protecting the football.

Creepy huh? I'm expecting the QBR to go up and the INT's go down like you noted and get closer to the original projections. We certainly need to get the RB's more involved in the passing game and get the top 2 WR's a few more opportunities and set up for more yards as a result.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Back in July (4th), Fropwns did a nice little bit pulling in some quality analysts to gauge how we'll do offensively this year and help set up more realistic expectations. I know it's only Week 2 but I wanted to see if we're on par with the projections. Bold represents the predictions and italicized represents where we project after two weeks:

Receiving:
HB (Combined) = 40 & 336
HB (Combined) = 24 & 136

Nice to see we're on pace to be in the bottom 10 in passing offense once again. There aren't very many coaching staffs that could accomplish that feat having Vernon Davis, Anquan Boldin, Stevie Johnson, and Michael Crabtree as their primary targets
[ Edited by sincalfaithful on Sep 17, 2014 at 2:40 PM ]
Originally posted by znk916:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Back in July (4th), Fropwns did a nice little bit pulling in some quality analysts to gauge how we'll do offensively this year and help set up more realistic expectations. I know it's only Week 2 but I wanted to see if we're on par with the projections. Bold represents the predictions and italicized represents where we project after two weeks:

Receiving:
HB (Combined) = 40 & 336
HB (Combined) = 24 & 136


For sure...with Gore, Hyde and Ellington (now), even Miller, we really need to get these guys involved in the passing game big time. It will help EVERYTHING balance out. If we do this one thing, defenses will really struggle against us IMHO.
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