Make a prediction: When will we have a new CBA?

Sometime is August.

Originally posted by Chief:
Sometime is August.

It's just after July, right before September.

i think right after the draft thats when owners will give into the players demands

May 13th

If there is no settlement by fall I hope a new league is started so that we fans can see some real competition for players. They would make less money at first but if they succeeded, they might just have a perfect time to start. Sad that the NFL and AFL merged...better for players to have that edge and the AFL was very creative. Right now the NFL seems to be stagnant and devolving. They sold out to players like TO who get headlines, but still aren't progressive in a positive way. Their offer to the players is insulting.

If the owners are really dumb, they won't settle until a new league forms.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by jimbagg:
I'm sticking by my earlier forecast in other threads:

The NFLPA de-certifies this week and the matter goes to the courts. The wheels of justice, including the scheduling of Judge Doty's court proceedings, grinds slowly.

Side talks, in parallel with the court proceedings, involving sensible people like Dan Rooney of the Steelers, reach an out-of-court agreement in mid-September. A new CBA is signed at that time, and court proceedings are withdrawn by the union.

Each club will get about 10 days to prepare for their first game, which will take place about October 1. Once the deal is done, both owners and players will be in a hurry to get the fan money-faucet turned on. Teams will lose the first 4 games on their schedule and 2011 will be a truncated 12-game season. There will be no pre-season games, only in-camp scrimmages. David Carr will, of necessity, start that first played game of the 2011 season, but a rookie will finish the year as the starting Niner QB.

The Niners will finish about 4-8, with all of their wins coming in November or later, as the coaching staff eventually has time to implement more than just basic plays. Niner ownership loses tons of money in 2011 with the shorter season, and uses that as a fresh excuse for additional delays on a new stadium.

Free Agency will re-semble the Oklanhoma Land Rush. As soons as the new CBA is officially signed by all parties, there will be a wild, 24 x7, flurry of FA offers. Some deals will be done quickly, but many will drag on until several games hve been played. FA signees will be reporting and being integrated into their team, deep into the season. Rosters for that first game played will include more than usual UDFA's and no-names, eager to earn a buck and showcase their wares, until clubs eventually fill their critical needs through negotiations with the more experienced, higher-priced FA's.

Roster turmoil for all clubs will be much higher than normal and still be taking place deep in December. The NFL quality-of-play will decline in 2011, especially early in the season, due to the above factors. The stamina and sanity of both NFL coaching staffs and NFL front offies, will be severely tested in this compressed-time atmosphere.

2012 will be an 18-game schedule, with roster sizes increased by 5 players or so, beyond the Game Day 45 and 53-man roster. The union will accept the 18-game schedule in exchange for more jobs. All teams will look a little different on the field in 2012, as the new, re-designed, concussion-motivated helmet technology becomes mandatory, and players more closely resemble the Jack-In-The-Box CEO!

And the under-represented, NFL retired players, who limp around and can't remember their name or how to tie their shoes, will get bupkiss in the settlement. Did you know that only 20% of our Revolutionary War fighters, who were entitled to a government pension, ever actually got a check? And many of them had to wait 20-30 years to see any money. The old-timers have been getting screwed in this country, since it became a country.

The NFLPA may choose to decertify, but I strongly with this timeline. It won't run into the 2011 season. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

It wouldnt surprise me if there is no 2011 season. The owners are asking for the players to make huge concessions with no evidence supporting why they need it, and De Smith/Jeff Pash are now negotiating through the media which kind of torpedo'ed all the progess made up until this point.

In my opinion, the NFLPA is asking for too much. There is no way the owners will agree to a 50/50 split of revenue!

Dude, the NFL is asking for a 5 billion dollar check basically. Not even a compromise to split somewhere down the middle. The players are already getting 60/40 after the owners take 1 billion off the top, and IIRC the players responded a 50/50 split after owners take 1 billion off the top, and the owners want to take another billion off the top? So the players would only get like 50% of the 7 billion, and the owners would get the first 2 billion dollars plus 50% of the 7 billion(since 9 billion total). Why should the people who dont even put their bodies on the line get 5.5 billion and the people who are getting the crap kicked out of them every weekend and busting their bodies for the majority of the year to train only get 3.5? That's messed up dude. I know the league needs money to function, but most teams aren't even losing money right now with the way it is and they basically want to give themselves like 1.5 billion extra for no reason? That's ridiculous. And if you want the extra money you better show evidence you need it.

Look at how ridiculous your statement is. So you are saying pay should be commensurate to risk? So than means a guy welding beams on a high rise should make 50 x more than a brain surgeon? With out the owners most players would be bagging groceries, the result would not be flipped with out the players.

Originally posted by pantstickle:

Originally posted by Chief:
Sometime is August.

It's just after July, right before September.

i believe he was writing in the Dada tradition

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by jimbagg:
I'm sticking by my earlier forecast in other threads:

The NFLPA de-certifies this week and the matter goes to the courts. The wheels of justice, including the scheduling of Judge Doty's court proceedings, grinds slowly.

Side talks, in parallel with the court proceedings, involving sensible people like Dan Rooney of the Steelers, reach an out-of-court agreement in mid-September. A new CBA is signed at that time, and court proceedings are withdrawn by the union.

Each club will get about 10 days to prepare for their first game, which will take place about October 1. Once the deal is done, both owners and players will be in a hurry to get the fan money-faucet turned on. Teams will lose the first 4 games on their schedule and 2011 will be a truncated 12-game season. There will be no pre-season games, only in-camp scrimmages. David Carr will, of necessity, start that first played game of the 2011 season, but a rookie will finish the year as the starting Niner QB.

The Niners will finish about 4-8, with all of their wins coming in November or later, as the coaching staff eventually has time to implement more than just basic plays. Niner ownership loses tons of money in 2011 with the shorter season, and uses that as a fresh excuse for additional delays on a new stadium.

Free Agency will re-semble the Oklanhoma Land Rush. As soons as the new CBA is officially signed by all parties, there will be a wild, 24 x7, flurry of FA offers. Some deals will be done quickly, but many will drag on until several games hve been played. FA signees will be reporting and being integrated into their team, deep into the season. Rosters for that first game played will include more than usual UDFA's and no-names, eager to earn a buck and showcase their wares, until clubs eventually fill their critical needs through negotiations with the more experienced, higher-priced FA's.

Roster turmoil for all clubs will be much higher than normal and still be taking place deep in December. The NFL quality-of-play will decline in 2011, especially early in the season, due to the above factors. The stamina and sanity of both NFL coaching staffs and NFL front offies, will be severely tested in this compressed-time atmosphere.

2012 will be an 18-game schedule, with roster sizes increased by 5 players or so, beyond the Game Day 45 and 53-man roster. The union will accept the 18-game schedule in exchange for more jobs. All teams will look a little different on the field in 2012, as the new, re-designed, concussion-motivated helmet technology becomes mandatory, and players more closely resemble the Jack-In-The-Box CEO!

And the under-represented, NFL retired players, who limp around and can't remember their name or how to tie their shoes, will get bupkiss in the settlement. Did you know that only 20% of our Revolutionary War fighters, who were entitled to a government pension, ever actually got a check? And many of them had to wait 20-30 years to see any money. The old-timers have been getting screwed in this country, since it became a country.

The NFLPA may choose to decertify, but I strongly with this timeline. It won't run into the 2011 season. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

It wouldnt surprise me if there is no 2011 season. The owners are asking for the players to make huge concessions with no evidence supporting why they need it, and De Smith/Jeff Pash are now negotiating through the media which kind of torpedo'ed all the progess made up until this point.

In my opinion, the NFLPA is asking for too much. There is no way the owners will agree to a 50/50 split of revenue!

Dude, the NFL is asking for a 5 billion dollar check basically. Not even a compromise to split somewhere down the middle. The players are already getting 60/40 after the owners take 1 billion off the top, and IIRC the players responded a 50/50 split after owners take 1 billion off the top, and the owners want to take another billion off the top? So the players would only get like 50% of the 7 billion, and the owners would get the first 2 billion dollars plus 50% of the 7 billion(since 9 billion total). Why should the people who dont even put their bodies on the line get 5.5 billion and the people who are getting the crap kicked out of them every weekend and busting their bodies for the majority of the year to train only get 3.5? That's messed up dude. I know the league needs money to function, but most teams aren't even losing money right now with the way it is and they basically want to give themselves like 1.5 billion extra for no reason? That's ridiculous. And if you want the extra money you better show evidence you need it.

Look at how ridiculous your statement is. So you are saying pay should be commensurate to risk? So than means a guy welding beams on a high rise should make 50 x more than a brain surgeon? With out the owners most players would be bagging groceries, the result would not be flipped with out the players.

Without the players these teams wouldn't be s**t. People pay money and watch on tv because they want to see the best athletes in the world. Nobody is going to pay 1000$ for season tickets to watch the san francisco office max team play the los angeles staples team. You can't just replace these guys with random people from Safeway or Raleys or Office Max or Oracle or sears and expect people to want to pay money to watch that product. If the players all vowed to join the UFL fans would go watch the UFL because its a better product. And how can you say most of these guys aren't smart enough to do anyrthing besides work at mcdonalds? That implies RACISM IMO.

October 5, 2011

August

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by jimbagg:
I'm sticking by my earlier forecast in other threads:

The NFLPA de-certifies this week and the matter goes to the courts. The wheels of justice, including the scheduling of Judge Doty's court proceedings, grinds slowly.

Side talks, in parallel with the court proceedings, involving sensible people like Dan Rooney of the Steelers, reach an out-of-court agreement in mid-September. A new CBA is signed at that time, and court proceedings are withdrawn by the union.

Each club will get about 10 days to prepare for their first game, which will take place about October 1. Once the deal is done, both owners and players will be in a hurry to get the fan money-faucet turned on. Teams will lose the first 4 games on their schedule and 2011 will be a truncated 12-game season. There will be no pre-season games, only in-camp scrimmages. David Carr will, of necessity, start that first played game of the 2011 season, but a rookie will finish the year as the starting Niner QB.

The Niners will finish about 4-8, with all of their wins coming in November or later, as the coaching staff eventually has time to implement more than just basic plays. Niner ownership loses tons of money in 2011 with the shorter season, and uses that as a fresh excuse for additional delays on a new stadium.

Free Agency will re-semble the Oklanhoma Land Rush. As soons as the new CBA is officially signed by all parties, there will be a wild, 24 x7, flurry of FA offers. Some deals will be done quickly, but many will drag on until several games hve been played. FA signees will be reporting and being integrated into their team, deep into the season. Rosters for that first game played will include more than usual UDFA's and no-names, eager to earn a buck and showcase their wares, until clubs eventually fill their critical needs through negotiations with the more experienced, higher-priced FA's.

Roster turmoil for all clubs will be much higher than normal and still be taking place deep in December. The NFL quality-of-play will decline in 2011, especially early in the season, due to the above factors. The stamina and sanity of both NFL coaching staffs and NFL front offies, will be severely tested in this compressed-time atmosphere.

2012 will be an 18-game schedule, with roster sizes increased by 5 players or so, beyond the Game Day 45 and 53-man roster. The union will accept the 18-game schedule in exchange for more jobs. All teams will look a little different on the field in 2012, as the new, re-designed, concussion-motivated helmet technology becomes mandatory, and players more closely resemble the Jack-In-The-Box CEO!

And the under-represented, NFL retired players, who limp around and can't remember their name or how to tie their shoes, will get bupkiss in the settlement. Did you know that only 20% of our Revolutionary War fighters, who were entitled to a government pension, ever actually got a check? And many of them had to wait 20-30 years to see any money. The old-timers have been getting screwed in this country, since it became a country.

The NFLPA may choose to decertify, but I strongly with this timeline. It won't run into the 2011 season. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

It wouldnt surprise me if there is no 2011 season. The owners are asking for the players to make huge concessions with no evidence supporting why they need it, and De Smith/Jeff Pash are now negotiating through the media which kind of torpedo'ed all the progess made up until this point.

In my opinion, the NFLPA is asking for too much. There is no way the owners will agree to a 50/50 split of revenue!

Dude, the NFL is asking for a 5 billion dollar check basically. Not even a compromise to split somewhere down the middle. The players are already getting 60/40 after the owners take 1 billion off the top, and IIRC the players responded a 50/50 split after owners take 1 billion off the top, and the owners want to take another billion off the top? So the players would only get like 50% of the 7 billion, and the owners would get the first 2 billion dollars plus 50% of the 7 billion(since 9 billion total). Why should the people who dont even put their bodies on the line get 5.5 billion and the people who are getting the crap kicked out of them every weekend and busting their bodies for the majority of the year to train only get 3.5? That's messed up dude. I know the league needs money to function, but most teams aren't even losing money right now with the way it is and they basically want to give themselves like 1.5 billion extra for no reason? That's ridiculous. And if you want the extra money you better show evidence you need it.

Look at how ridiculous your statement is. So you are saying pay should be commensurate to risk? So than means a guy welding beams on a high rise should make 50 x more than a brain surgeon? With out the owners most players would be bagging groceries, the result would not be flipped with out the players.

Without the players these teams wouldn't be s**t. People pay money and watch on tv because they want to see the best athletes in the world. Nobody is going to pay 1000$ for season tickets to watch the san francisco office max team play the los angeles staples team. You can't just replace these guys with random people from Safeway or Raleys or Office Max or Oracle or sears and expect people to want to pay money to watch that product. If the players all vowed to join the UFL fans would go watch the UFL because its a better product. And how can you say most of these guys aren't smart enough to do anyrthing besides work at mcdonalds? That implies RACISM IMO.

LOL, I hope you aren't serious.

Football players are stereotyped as stupid because they're jocks. Race has nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by jimbagg:
I'm sticking by my earlier forecast in other threads:

The NFLPA de-certifies this week and the matter goes to the courts. The wheels of justice, including the scheduling of Judge Doty's court proceedings, grinds slowly.

Side talks, in parallel with the court proceedings, involving sensible people like Dan Rooney of the Steelers, reach an out-of-court agreement in mid-September. A new CBA is signed at that time, and court proceedings are withdrawn by the union.

Each club will get about 10 days to prepare for their first game, which will take place about October 1. Once the deal is done, both owners and players will be in a hurry to get the fan money-faucet turned on. Teams will lose the first 4 games on their schedule and 2011 will be a truncated 12-game season. There will be no pre-season games, only in-camp scrimmages. David Carr will, of necessity, start that first played game of the 2011 season, but a rookie will finish the year as the starting Niner QB.

The Niners will finish about 4-8, with all of their wins coming in November or later, as the coaching staff eventually has time to implement more than just basic plays. Niner ownership loses tons of money in 2011 with the shorter season, and uses that as a fresh excuse for additional delays on a new stadium.

Free Agency will re-semble the Oklanhoma Land Rush. As soons as the new CBA is officially signed by all parties, there will be a wild, 24 x7, flurry of FA offers. Some deals will be done quickly, but many will drag on until several games hve been played. FA signees will be reporting and being integrated into their team, deep into the season. Rosters for that first game played will include more than usual UDFA's and no-names, eager to earn a buck and showcase their wares, until clubs eventually fill their critical needs through negotiations with the more experienced, higher-priced FA's.

Roster turmoil for all clubs will be much higher than normal and still be taking place deep in December. The NFL quality-of-play will decline in 2011, especially early in the season, due to the above factors. The stamina and sanity of both NFL coaching staffs and NFL front offies, will be severely tested in this compressed-time atmosphere.

2012 will be an 18-game schedule, with roster sizes increased by 5 players or so, beyond the Game Day 45 and 53-man roster. The union will accept the 18-game schedule in exchange for more jobs. All teams will look a little different on the field in 2012, as the new, re-designed, concussion-motivated helmet technology becomes mandatory, and players more closely resemble the Jack-In-The-Box CEO!

And the under-represented, NFL retired players, who limp around and can't remember their name or how to tie their shoes, will get bupkiss in the settlement. Did you know that only 20% of our Revolutionary War fighters, who were entitled to a government pension, ever actually got a check? And many of them had to wait 20-30 years to see any money. The old-timers have been getting screwed in this country, since it became a country.

The NFLPA may choose to decertify, but I strongly with this timeline. It won't run into the 2011 season. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

It wouldnt surprise me if there is no 2011 season. The owners are asking for the players to make huge concessions with no evidence supporting why they need it, and De Smith/Jeff Pash are now negotiating through the media which kind of torpedo'ed all the progess made up until this point.

In my opinion, the NFLPA is asking for too much. There is no way the owners will agree to a 50/50 split of revenue!

Dude, the NFL is asking for a 5 billion dollar check basically. Not even a compromise to split somewhere down the middle. The players are already getting 60/40 after the owners take 1 billion off the top, and IIRC the players responded a 50/50 split after owners take 1 billion off the top, and the owners want to take another billion off the top? So the players would only get like 50% of the 7 billion, and the owners would get the first 2 billion dollars plus 50% of the 7 billion(since 9 billion total). Why should the people who dont even put their bodies on the line get 5.5 billion and the people who are getting the crap kicked out of them every weekend and busting their bodies for the majority of the year to train only get 3.5? That's messed up dude. I know the league needs money to function, but most teams aren't even losing money right now with the way it is and they basically want to give themselves like 1.5 billion extra for no reason? That's ridiculous. And if you want the extra money you better show evidence you need it.

Look at how ridiculous your statement is. So you are saying pay should be commensurate to risk? So than means a guy welding beams on a high rise should make 50 x more than a brain surgeon? With out the owners most players would be bagging groceries, the result would not be flipped with out the players.

Without the players these teams wouldn't be s**t. People pay money and watch on tv because they want to see the best athletes in the world. Nobody is going to pay 1000$ for season tickets to watch the san francisco office max team play the los angeles staples team. You can't just replace these guys with random people from Safeway or Raleys or Office Max or Oracle or sears and expect people to want to pay money to watch that product. If the players all vowed to join the UFL fans would go watch the UFL because its a better product. And how can you say most of these guys aren't smart enough to do anyrthing besides work at mcdonalds? That implies RACISM IMO.

Has nothing to do with racism. Why do we have to play the race card? Take your average I.Q. of an NFL owner and his background at a young age. If he didn't become an NFL owner he probably would of had way more than a menial job. He went to college to get an education not as a stepping stone to being a pro athlete. I am sure the average NFL player is of average or substandard intelligence. If you can't understand why you are out of touch. What happens when some kid is the star of the Jr High basketball team? He gets all the girls, teachers cut him more slack, and dudes want to be his friend. Carry that to college, he gets under the table money, grades in classes he does not attend, if he does go someone does his homework for him. He gets it easy for too long. He never had to work for anything other than staying in shape.

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by jimbagg:
I'm sticking by my earlier forecast in other threads:

The NFLPA de-certifies this week and the matter goes to the courts. The wheels of justice, including the scheduling of Judge Doty's court proceedings, grinds slowly.

Side talks, in parallel with the court proceedings, involving sensible people like Dan Rooney of the Steelers, reach an out-of-court agreement in mid-September. A new CBA is signed at that time, and court proceedings are withdrawn by the union.

Each club will get about 10 days to prepare for their first game, which will take place about October 1. Once the deal is done, both owners and players will be in a hurry to get the fan money-faucet turned on. Teams will lose the first 4 games on their schedule and 2011 will be a truncated 12-game season. There will be no pre-season games, only in-camp scrimmages. David Carr will, of necessity, start that first played game of the 2011 season, but a rookie will finish the year as the starting Niner QB.

The Niners will finish about 4-8, with all of their wins coming in November or later, as the coaching staff eventually has time to implement more than just basic plays. Niner ownership loses tons of money in 2011 with the shorter season, and uses that as a fresh excuse for additional delays on a new stadium.

Free Agency will re-semble the Oklanhoma Land Rush. As soons as the new CBA is officially signed by all parties, there will be a wild, 24 x7, flurry of FA offers. Some deals will be done quickly, but many will drag on until several games hve been played. FA signees will be reporting and being integrated into their team, deep into the season. Rosters for that first game played will include more than usual UDFA's and no-names, eager to earn a buck and showcase their wares, until clubs eventually fill their critical needs through negotiations with the more experienced, higher-priced FA's.

Roster turmoil for all clubs will be much higher than normal and still be taking place deep in December. The NFL quality-of-play will decline in 2011, especially early in the season, due to the above factors. The stamina and sanity of both NFL coaching staffs and NFL front offies, will be severely tested in this compressed-time atmosphere.

2012 will be an 18-game schedule, with roster sizes increased by 5 players or so, beyond the Game Day 45 and 53-man roster. The union will accept the 18-game schedule in exchange for more jobs. All teams will look a little different on the field in 2012, as the new, re-designed, concussion-motivated helmet technology becomes mandatory, and players more closely resemble the Jack-In-The-Box CEO!

And the under-represented, NFL retired players, who limp around and can't remember their name or how to tie their shoes, will get bupkiss in the settlement. Did you know that only 20% of our Revolutionary War fighters, who were entitled to a government pension, ever actually got a check? And many of them had to wait 20-30 years to see any money. The old-timers have been getting screwed in this country, since it became a country.

The NFLPA may choose to decertify, but I strongly with this timeline. It won't run into the 2011 season. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

It wouldnt surprise me if there is no 2011 season. The owners are asking for the players to make huge concessions with no evidence supporting why they need it, and De Smith/Jeff Pash are now negotiating through the media which kind of torpedo'ed all the progess made up until this point.

In my opinion, the NFLPA is asking for too much. There is no way the owners will agree to a 50/50 split of revenue!

Dude, the NFL is asking for a 5 billion dollar check basically. Not even a compromise to split somewhere down the middle. The players are already getting 60/40 after the owners take 1 billion off the top, and IIRC the players responded a 50/50 split after owners take 1 billion off the top, and the owners want to take another billion off the top? So the players would only get like 50% of the 7 billion, and the owners would get the first 2 billion dollars plus 50% of the 7 billion(since 9 billion total). Why should the people who dont even put their bodies on the line get 5.5 billion and the people who are getting the crap kicked out of them every weekend and busting their bodies for the majority of the year to train only get 3.5? That's messed up dude. I know the league needs money to function, but most teams aren't even losing money right now with the way it is and they basically want to give themselves like 1.5 billion extra for no reason? That's ridiculous. And if you want the extra money you better show evidence you need it.

Look at how ridiculous your statement is. So you are saying pay should be commensurate to risk? So than means a guy welding beams on a high rise should make 50 x more than a brain surgeon? With out the owners most players would be bagging groceries, the result would not be flipped with out the players.

Without the players these teams wouldn't be s**t. People pay money and watch on tv because they want to see the best athletes in the world. Nobody is going to pay 1000$ for season tickets to watch the san francisco office max team play the los angeles staples team. You can't just replace these guys with random people from Safeway or Raleys or Office Max or Oracle or sears and expect people to want to pay money to watch that product. If the players all vowed to join the UFL fans would go watch the UFL because its a better product. And how can you say most of these guys aren't smart enough to do anyrthing besides work at mcdonalds? That implies RACISM IMO.

Has nothing to do with racism. Why do we have to play the race card? Take your average I.Q. of an NFL owner and his background at a young age. If he didn't become an NFL owner he probably would of had way more than a menial job. He went to college to get an education not as a stepping stone to being a pro athlete. I am sure the average NFL player is of average or substandard intelligence. If you can't understand why you are out of touch. What happens when some kid is the star of the Jr High basketball team? He gets all the girls, teachers cut him more slack, and dudes want to be his friend. Carry that to college, he gets under the table money, grades in classes he does not attend, if he does go someone does his homework for him. He gets it easy for too long. He never had to work for anything other than staying in shape.

Generalities may be fun but they tend to be inaccurate. Most of the college football players I have met are pretty sharp. You can point to the ones who get some ink for cheating or not going to class but then there are many more who graduate and go on to graduate schools. As a class of people they are not dumb. Do you have any stats to back up your statement? Wonderlick scores for players versus the average market bagger?

Even if they were all mentally lazy, which you are implying, why would that make them stupid or incapable of being employed other than bag boys? I've noticed that people who excell in one area tend to be acheivers...period.

One can use the same generalities you mention for NFL owners. If they had not inherited wealth, they would be terrible bag boys because they have never needed to work for a living. My gosh, they would starve to death!

[ Edited by dtg_9er on Mar 15, 2011 at 16:41:49 ]

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by jimbagg:
I'm sticking by my earlier forecast in other threads:

The NFLPA de-certifies this week and the matter goes to the courts. The wheels of justice, including the scheduling of Judge Doty's court proceedings, grinds slowly.

Side talks, in parallel with the court proceedings, involving sensible people like Dan Rooney of the Steelers, reach an out-of-court agreement in mid-September. A new CBA is signed at that time, and court proceedings are withdrawn by the union.

Each club will get about 10 days to prepare for their first game, which will take place about October 1. Once the deal is done, both owners and players will be in a hurry to get the fan money-faucet turned on. Teams will lose the first 4 games on their schedule and 2011 will be a truncated 12-game season. There will be no pre-season games, only in-camp scrimmages. David Carr will, of necessity, start that first played game of the 2011 season, but a rookie will finish the year as the starting Niner QB.

The Niners will finish about 4-8, with all of their wins coming in November or later, as the coaching staff eventually has time to implement more than just basic plays. Niner ownership loses tons of money in 2011 with the shorter season, and uses that as a fresh excuse for additional delays on a new stadium.

Free Agency will re-semble the Oklanhoma Land Rush. As soons as the new CBA is officially signed by all parties, there will be a wild, 24 x7, flurry of FA offers. Some deals will be done quickly, but many will drag on until several games hve been played. FA signees will be reporting and being integrated into their team, deep into the season. Rosters for that first game played will include more than usual UDFA's and no-names, eager to earn a buck and showcase their wares, until clubs eventually fill their critical needs through negotiations with the more experienced, higher-priced FA's.

Roster turmoil for all clubs will be much higher than normal and still be taking place deep in December. The NFL quality-of-play will decline in 2011, especially early in the season, due to the above factors. The stamina and sanity of both NFL coaching staffs and NFL front offies, will be severely tested in this compressed-time atmosphere.

2012 will be an 18-game schedule, with roster sizes increased by 5 players or so, beyond the Game Day 45 and 53-man roster. The union will accept the 18-game schedule in exchange for more jobs. All teams will look a little different on the field in 2012, as the new, re-designed, concussion-motivated helmet technology becomes mandatory, and players more closely resemble the Jack-In-The-Box CEO!

And the under-represented, NFL retired players, who limp around and can't remember their name or how to tie their shoes, will get bupkiss in the settlement. Did you know that only 20% of our Revolutionary War fighters, who were entitled to a government pension, ever actually got a check? And many of them had to wait 20-30 years to see any money. The old-timers have been getting screwed in this country, since it became a country.

The NFLPA may choose to decertify, but I strongly with this timeline. It won't run into the 2011 season. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

It wouldnt surprise me if there is no 2011 season. The owners are asking for the players to make huge concessions with no evidence supporting why they need it, and De Smith/Jeff Pash are now negotiating through the media which kind of torpedo'ed all the progess made up until this point.

In my opinion, the NFLPA is asking for too much. There is no way the owners will agree to a 50/50 split of revenue!

Dude, the NFL is asking for a 5 billion dollar check basically. Not even a compromise to split somewhere down the middle. The players are already getting 60/40 after the owners take 1 billion off the top, and IIRC the players responded a 50/50 split after owners take 1 billion off the top, and the owners want to take another billion off the top? So the players would only get like 50% of the 7 billion, and the owners would get the first 2 billion dollars plus 50% of the 7 billion(since 9 billion total). Why should the people who dont even put their bodies on the line get 5.5 billion and the people who are getting the crap kicked out of them every weekend and busting their bodies for the majority of the year to train only get 3.5? That's messed up dude. I know the league needs money to function, but most teams aren't even losing money right now with the way it is and they basically want to give themselves like 1.5 billion extra for no reason? That's ridiculous. And if you want the extra money you better show evidence you need it.

Look at how ridiculous your statement is. So you are saying pay should be commensurate to risk? So than means a guy welding beams on a high rise should make 50 x more than a brain surgeon? With out the owners most players would be bagging groceries, the result would not be flipped with out the players.

Without the players these teams wouldn't be s**t. People pay money and watch on tv because they want to see the best athletes in the world. Nobody is going to pay 1000$ for season tickets to watch the san francisco office max team play the los angeles staples team. You can't just replace these guys with random people from Safeway or Raleys or Office Max or Oracle or sears and expect people to want to pay money to watch that product. If the players all vowed to join the UFL fans would go watch the UFL because its a better product. And how can you say most of these guys aren't smart enough to do anyrthing besides work at mcdonalds? That implies RACISM IMO.

Has nothing to do with racism. Why do we have to play the race card? Take your average I.Q. of an NFL owner and his background at a young age. If he didn't become an NFL owner he probably would of had way more than a menial job. He went to college to get an education not as a stepping stone to being a pro athlete. I am sure the average NFL player is of average or substandard intelligence. If you can't understand why you are out of touch. What happens when some kid is the star of the Jr High basketball team? He gets all the girls, teachers cut him more slack, and dudes want to be his friend. Carry that to college, he gets under the table money, grades in classes he does not attend, if he does go someone does his homework for him. He gets it easy for too long. He never had to work for anything other than staying in shape.

Generalities may be fun but they tend to be inaccurate. Most of the college football players I have met are pretty sharp. You can point to the ones who get some ink for cheating or not going to class but then there are many more who graduate and go on to graduate schools. As a class of people they are not dumb. Do you have any stats to back up your statement? Wonderlick scores for players versus the average market bagger?

Even if they were all mentally lazy, which you are implying, why would that make them stupid or incapable of being employed other than bag boys? I've noticed that people who excell in one area tend to be acheivers...period.

One can use the same generalities you mention for NFL owners. If they had not inherited wealth, they would be terrible bag boys because they have never needed to work for a living. My gosh, they would starve to death!

Exactly. I know/have met some of the players on my JuCo team out here at Butte and they are pretty smart. So you can't say they'd all be dumb because they're jocks. That's a stereotype. You know how Duke didn't heavily recruite any of the fab 5? Look at those guys now, Jackson and King are both businessmen and CWebb is on TNT+NBA tv, and Jalen Rose is on ESPN, and Howard is still playing. They're not stupid just because they're athletes or because they come from different backgrounds.

BTW he never adressed my point about how you aren't going to pay to watch 2 s**t teams that owners threw together made up of random people at staples and office max over lets say a UFL team that signs 20 NFL players vs a UFL team with 20 NFL players also. Because you'd be paying a higher price to watch an inferior product, and as a consumer I can say that'd be pretty f**king stupid.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
I know/have met some of the players on my JuCo team out here at Butte and they are pretty smart.

go Roadrunners! A couple of damn good football players have come out of there.