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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24455925/joe-banner-had-new-browns-coordinators-reporting-directly-to-him

Ousted Cleveland CEO Joe Banner -- who is transitioning out of his role in Cleveland after being not asked back along with GM Mike Lombardi -- had the new offensive and defensive coordinators reporting directly to him, CBS Sports NFL Insider Pat Kirwan reports.

Kirwan spoke to a league source at the NFL combine in Indianapolis who told him Banner was a bit of a control freak and structured the coaching staff so that the new coordinators would answer directly to him.

That's atypical of an NFL team, to say the least. Generally speaking coordinators answer directly to the head coach, in this case recently hired Mike Pettine.

Pettine was hired after the Browns fired Rob Chudzinski following just one year at the helm. Chud has since latched on with the Colts as a special assistant to the head coach.

To say that the power structure in Cleveland was different would be an understatement. New GM Ray Farmer, who was at the time assistant GM, was not involved in the head coaching search either, Kirwan was told.

Having coordinators circumvent the head coach and GM by reporting to the CEO of the team is just out there. As Kirwan wonders, it's entirely possible that Banner wanted to control what players played and when.



Lol.
Originally posted by pd24:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24455925/joe-banner-had-new-browns-coordinators-reporting-directly-to-him

Ousted Cleveland CEO Joe Banner -- who is transitioning out of his role in Cleveland after being not asked back along with GM Mike Lombardi -- had the new offensive and defensive coordinators reporting directly to him, CBS Sports NFL Insider Pat Kirwan reports.

Kirwan spoke to a league source at the NFL combine in Indianapolis who told him Banner was a bit of a control freak and structured the coaching staff so that the new coordinators would answer directly to him.

That's atypical of an NFL team, to say the least. Generally speaking coordinators answer directly to the head coach, in this case recently hired Mike Pettine.

Pettine was hired after the Browns fired Rob Chudzinski following just one year at the helm. Chud has since latched on with the Colts as a special assistant to the head coach.

To say that the power structure in Cleveland was different would be an understatement. New GM Ray Farmer, who was at the time assistant GM, was not involved in the head coaching search either, Kirwan was told.

Having coordinators circumvent the head coach and GM by reporting to the CEO of the team is just out there. As Kirwan wonders, it's entirely possible that Banner wanted to control what players played and when.


Lol.

Pathetic! How not to structure an organization by Former CEO Joe Banner. Sounds like Joe Thomas with the niners years ago.
Originally posted by ninerjok:
This is a stupid headline "Niners won't beg Coach to stay". Why should they beg him to do anything? These guys in the front office and the coaching staff are all professionals, they shouldn't have to beg one another or anyone for that matter to do this or do that. That's a dumbass headline to write.

Yup and it doens't even make sense after reading that b******t. These NFL reporters need hits on their sites so they are running with this b******t. It will be blown over in a few weeks. It always does.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by 8286niners:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Team Baalke vs Team Harbaugh.

Which side are YOU on?

Team Harbaugh. I hope Jed York realizes the biggest reason Seattle won the Superbowl and will continue to be a major pain for the Niners is because Seattle's GM, John Scheider, is WAY better than Ballke. Go look at the at his draft record and see how any late round picks he hit on that became stars/starters: Sherman, Chancellor, Malcolm Smith, Thurmond, etc. He traded for Lynch and Harvin and constructed very creative deals to get pass rushers Bennett and Avril. He was the one that sold P. Carroll on Russell Wilson. His 2010, 2011 and 2012 were all great or good drafts. Compare the track record to Baalke , his only good draft was 2011, and QB he wanted in that draft was Dalton, not Kap, he gave the final say to Harbaugh on that one. I believe the most important reason we are not Super Bowl champs is Ballke continue to miss WR prospects and more importantly he missed badly on 2013 second rounders T. Carrdine and Vance McDonald, he should stayed put at the top of second around and drafted Zach Ertz who already knows Harbaugh's offense from Stanford and have contributed right away instead being cute and move down. We end up with T. Carrdine who doesn't play all year and later in the second he drafts McDonald who many scouts said has suspect hands and is just not natural pass catcher. Imagine if Ballke draftedthe local guys Ertz and Kennan Allen from Cal instead of "the Tank" and McDonald. Our offense and red zone offense would be a lot better and we may well have won one of CAR or NO games with contributions from Ertz and Allen, the NFC Championship game would be at home, we would win and beat Denver. Even if the game is still at Seattle, Kap would have more legitmate options on offense and more good red zones options on the final say and we would also likely win.

Really Hope Jed realizes he can a definitely find a better GM than Ballke (with only one good draft) and it will be difficult for him to hire a coach as good as Harbaugh.
Also believe Ballke's ego is being under reported by the media, his feud with Harbaugh droves away from good players like Zach Ertz and he had to justify his selection of Vance McDonald he saying he plays in a complicated system in a radio interview. Clearly trying to blame Harbaugh to cover up his own mistake.


Is this a Seattle fan pretending to be a Niner fan?

"One good draft"? More like "One BAD draft".

2010: Davis, Iupati, and Bowman. 2011: Aldon, Kaep, Culliver, Hunter, Kilgore, and Miller. 2013: Reid, McDonald, and Patton. We will see on Tank and Lattimore but those guys were taken where they were BECAUSE they were injured.

I give the Seahawks credit because they've had some great years here...

...but lets not undersell Baalke.

I think even one stresses his failures in drafting (like I did sometimes), one has to admit that Baalke has done very well with his free agent signings.
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by 8286niners:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Team Baalke vs Team Harbaugh.

Which side are YOU on?

Team Harbaugh. I hope Jed York realizes the biggest reason Seattle won the Superbowl and will continue to be a major pain for the Niners is because Seattle's GM, John Scheider, is WAY better than Ballke. Go look at the at his draft record and see how any late round picks he hit on that became stars/starters: Sherman, Chancellor, Malcolm Smith, Thurmond, etc. He traded for Lynch and Harvin and constructed very creative deals to get pass rushers Bennett and Avril. He was the one that sold P. Carroll on Russell Wilson. His 2010, 2011 and 2012 were all great or good drafts. Compare the track record to Baalke , his only good draft was 2011, and QB he wanted in that draft was Dalton, not Kap, he gave the final say to Harbaugh on that one. I believe the most important reason we are not Super Bowl champs is Ballke continue to miss WR prospects and more importantly he missed badly on 2013 second rounders T. Carrdine and Vance McDonald, he should stayed put at the top of second around and drafted Zach Ertz who already knows Harbaugh's offense from Stanford and have contributed right away instead being cute and move down. We end up with T. Carrdine who doesn't play all year and later in the second he drafts McDonald who many scouts said has suspect hands and is just not natural pass catcher. Imagine if Ballke draftedthe local guys Ertz and Kennan Allen from Cal instead of "the Tank" and McDonald. Our offense and red zone offense would be a lot better and we may well have won one of CAR or NO games with contributions from Ertz and Allen, the NFC Championship game would be at home, we would win and beat Denver. Even if the game is still at Seattle, Kap would have more legitmate options on offense and more good red zones options on the final say and we would also likely win.

Really Hope Jed realizes he can a definitely find a better GM than Ballke (with only one good draft) and it will be difficult for him to hire a coach as good as Harbaugh.
Also believe Ballke's ego is being under reported by the media, his feud with Harbaugh droves away from good players like Zach Ertz and he had to justify his selection of Vance McDonald he saying he plays in a complicated system in a radio interview. Clearly trying to blame Harbaugh to cover up his own mistake.


Is this a Seattle fan pretending to be a Niner fan?

"One good draft"? More like "One BAD draft".

2010: Davis, Iupati, and Bowman. 2011: Aldon, Kaep, Culliver, Hunter, Kilgore, and Miller. 2013: Reid, McDonald, and Patton. We will see on Tank and Lattimore but those guys were taken where they were BECAUSE they were injured.

I give the Seahawks credit because they've had some great years here...

...but lets not undersell Baalke.

I don't think Baalke is better but at the same time, Baalke has missed the boat badly on some players. AJ Jenkins was one of the worst draft picks in 49er history.


Cracks me up.....people jump all over the Jenkins pick as if it somehow overrides Davis, Iupati, Bowman, Aldon, Kaep, and Reid.

The good ones miss sometimes. Anyone remember Reggie McGrew? Bill Walsh traded UP to take him. Terrance Flagler?
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Feb 24, 2014 at 4:01 PM ]
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Harbaugh was handed the keys to a ferrari and made it into a BMW 3 series. Who made built that ferrari? mclaughlin
[ Edited by JiksJuicy on Feb 24, 2014 at 4:02 PM ]
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Harbaugh was handed the keys to a ferrari and made it into a BMW 3 series. Who made built that ferrari? Mcloughlin.

He was handed the keys to a Ferrari with a busted transmission and repaired the transmission and got the Ferrari purring like a kitten.
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Harbaugh was handed the keys to a ferrari and made it into a BMW 3 series. Who made built that ferrari? Mcloughlin.

?

This reasoning makes no sense.

McCloughan didn't draft Davis, Iupati, Bowman, Aldon, Kaep, or Reid.

That "Ferrari" was 6-10 and hadn't had a winning season in about a decade.
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Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Harbaugh was handed the keys to a ferrari and made it into a BMW 3 series. Who made built that ferrari? Mcloughlin.

He was handed the keys to a Ferrari with a busted transmission and repaired the transmission and got the Ferrari purring like a kitten.

Can agree somewhat. He put it together for us, but it's no Ferrari.
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
I don't think Baalke is better but at the same time, Baalke has missed the boat badly on some players. AJ Jenkins was one of the worst draft picks in 49er history.

I was down on that pick as well, but let's see how Jenkins does with the Chiefs. While he didn't play any big role in 2013 for the Chiefs, Jenkins did make a few big plays during the season. It could very well be that the 49ers offensive coaching staff doesn't teach young players well.
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Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Harbaugh was handed the keys to a ferrari and made it into a BMW 3 series. Who made built that ferrari? Mcloughlin.

?

This reasoning makes no sense.

McCloughan didn't draft Davis, Iupati, Bowman, Aldon, Kaep, or Reid.

That "Ferrari" was 6-10 and hadn't had a winning season in about a decade.

K then McCoughan and Baalke handed him the keys. My point stands.

Ample talent was handed to him. It's not like he rebuilt this team, this team already had it's core.
[ Edited by JiksJuicy on Feb 24, 2014 at 4:07 PM ]
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Harbaugh was handed the keys to a ferrari and made it into a BMW 3 series. Who made built that ferrari? Mcloughlin.

He was handed the keys to a Ferrari with a busted transmission and repaired the transmission and got the Ferrari purring like a kitten.

Correction-

He was hired as the coach to fix an underperforming team and got them to the NFC championship 3 years in a row. If that is not success, I don't know what is. I know there in super bowl to show for it, but the improvement is DRASTIC!!!
Originally posted by verb1der:
Team Baalke vs Team Harbaugh.

Which side are YOU on?


Jim's. Baalke has not been THAT impressive, this team was mostly built by McCloughlin. Lets face it.
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Harbaugh was handed the keys to a ferrari and made it into a BMW 3 series. Who made built that ferrari? mclaughlin

I think you mean McCluhan.
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Harbaugh was handed the keys to a ferrari and made it into a BMW 3 series. Who made built that ferrari? mclaughlin

I think you mean McCluhan.

Yeah was busy at work.
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