Another win for the Rooney Rule!

the negatives outweigh the benefits of the rooney rule. this isn't 1976, it's 2011, we don't need the f**kin rooney rule anymore.

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
niners should look at him as WR coach, hes pretty good.

boo hoo.

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by Negrodamus:

Originally posted by boriken_9er:
Of course it was a sham, it was obvious from the get go. The Rooney Rule is a joke and totally disrespectful to minorities.

.... but the majority always seem to bend the rules with no consequences as always in everything in life

Exactly. This rule was actually quite helpful when it was first established in 2003. But now its a complete joke. Look at all the black coaches who are good HCs. and have jobs. Tony Dungy, Raheem Norris, Lovie Smith, Mike Tomlin...

I don't think its much of a problem anymore.

Dingy isn't coaching and I don't think those guys needed that rule to get a gig. Who cares if teams abuse the rule. The fact is that it gets minority coaches an interview, a foot in the door. It's their job to impress.

I'm mentioning all successful black HCs in recent history...

And I know that those guys didn't need to have that rule, but its just that, IMO, racism in hiring NFL coaches isn't as big of a deal as it was, say, 10 years ago.

I know it still exists, but the Rooney Rule itself is racist. Its kind of ironic..

agreed. it's like saying hmm minority coaches aren't good enough to get jobs so lets give them a better chance by getting them a bulls**t interview that is being conducted just to fit this rule

Yeah but just the fact that the minorities name is thrown out there helps the minority. It puts a national spotlight on the candidate and other teams will look into the resume to see why he was considered

Well, often, the reason this si b/c the team has to comply with the rule, so...yeah.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. But if it weren't for the Rooney rule I would have never known who Sherman was. Now a college team could consider him for a HC position bc the Cowboys interviewed him and
Put his name out there

A few people have said that the rule is good for putting out the candidates name, and they now know who a certain coach is because they were mentioned as having an interview. Ok, great. But if a college program or professional team goes about targeting coaching prospects by watching sports center to see what minority was interviewed this week, I feel sorry for their fans. When teams are looking to hire a candidate they do their due diligence. I'm sorry I fail to believe anybody got a job because they had their name mentioned in an AP piece and some athletic director at a university just happened to be reading the sports page that day. A coaching candidate on any level is not validated because a person was interviewed in order to comply with a league rule.

Originally posted by seanh:
A few people have said that the rule is good for putting out the candidates name, and they now know who a certain coach is because they were mentioned as having an interview. Ok, great. But if a college program or professional team goes about targeting coaching prospects by watching sports center to see what minority was interviewed this week, I feel sorry for their fans. When teams are looking to hire a candidate they do their due diligence. I'm sorry I fail to believe anybody got a job because they had their name mentioned in an AP piece and some athletic director at a university just happened to be reading the sports page that day. A coaching candidate on any level is not validated because a person was interviewed in order to comply with a league rule.

i don't think teams are only hearing the names on Sportscenter. Teams are always watching what each other are doing, and many people in front offices and working in personnel, etc, have contacts among the league and on other teams, and information spreads that way. If candidate X has a great interview and impresses someone, that info will certainly spread along--not via the sports page--but through the network of people who work in the league.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by seanh:
A few people have said that the rule is good for putting out the candidates name, and they now know who a certain coach is because they were mentioned as having an interview. Ok, great. But if a college program or professional team goes about targeting coaching prospects by watching sports center to see what minority was interviewed this week, I feel sorry for their fans. When teams are looking to hire a candidate they do their due diligence. I'm sorry I fail to believe anybody got a job because they had their name mentioned in an AP piece and some athletic director at a university just happened to be reading the sports page that day. A coaching candidate on any level is not validated because a person was interviewed in order to comply with a league rule.

i don't think teams are only hearing the names on Sportscenter. Teams are always watching what each other are doing, and many people in front offices and working in personnel, etc, have contacts among the league and on other teams, and information spreads that way. If candidate X has a great interview and impresses someone, that info will certainly spread along--not via the sports page--but through the network of people who work in the league.

I don't doubt that at all. That goes along with teams doing their due diligence when it comes to constantly evaluating their own staff and seeking out improvements or better fits. I just think that applies to all coaching candidates, not just those who happen to get an interview to fill a quota. If I were a minority it would almost be insulting.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by seanh:
A few people have said that the rule is good for putting out the candidates name, and they now know who a certain coach is because they were mentioned as having an interview. Ok, great. But if a college program or professional team goes about targeting coaching prospects by watching sports center to see what minority was interviewed this week, I feel sorry for their fans. When teams are looking to hire a candidate they do their due diligence. I'm sorry I fail to believe anybody got a job because they had their name mentioned in an AP piece and some athletic director at a university just happened to be reading the sports page that day. A coaching candidate on any level is not validated because a person was interviewed in order to comply with a league rule.

i don't think teams are only hearing the names on Sportscenter. Teams are always watching what each other are doing, and many people in front offices and working in personnel, etc, have contacts among the league and on other teams, and information spreads that way. If candidate X has a great interview and impresses someone, that info will certainly spread along--not via the sports page--but through the network of people who work in the league.

exactly

Originally posted by seanh:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by seanh:
A few people have said that the rule is good for putting out the candidates name, and they now know who a certain coach is because they were mentioned as having an interview. Ok, great. But if a college program or professional team goes about targeting coaching prospects by watching sports center to see what minority was interviewed this week, I feel sorry for their fans. When teams are looking to hire a candidate they do their due diligence. I'm sorry I fail to believe anybody got a job because they had their name mentioned in an AP piece and some athletic director at a university just happened to be reading the sports page that day. A coaching candidate on any level is not validated because a person was interviewed in order to comply with a league rule.

i don't think teams are only hearing the names on Sportscenter. Teams are always watching what each other are doing, and many people in front offices and working in personnel, etc, have contacts among the league and on other teams, and information spreads that way. If candidate X has a great interview and impresses someone, that info will certainly spread along--not via the sports page--but through the network of people who work in the league.

I don't doubt that at all. That goes along with teams doing their due diligence when it comes to constantly evaluating their own staff and seeking out improvements or better fits. I just think that applies to all coaching candidates, not just those who happen to get an interview to fill a quota. If I were a minority it would almost be insulting.

i hear ya. there are good and bad things about the Rooney Rule, IMO. it's not the big crime that some people are making it out to be on here, but I don't know how necessary it is anymore. It just doesn't bother me, to be honest, though I do think that if I were a guy being interviewed just to fill a quota I would decline. However, I think it has had an overall positive effect on the league.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by seanh:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by seanh:
A few people have said that the rule is good for putting out the candidates name, and they now know who a certain coach is because they were mentioned as having an interview. Ok, great. But if a college program or professional team goes about targeting coaching prospects by watching sports center to see what minority was interviewed this week, I feel sorry for their fans. When teams are looking to hire a candidate they do their due diligence. I'm sorry I fail to believe anybody got a job because they had their name mentioned in an AP piece and some athletic director at a university just happened to be reading the sports page that day. A coaching candidate on any level is not validated because a person was interviewed in order to comply with a league rule.

i don't think teams are only hearing the names on Sportscenter. Teams are always watching what each other are doing, and many people in front offices and working in personnel, etc, have contacts among the league and on other teams, and information spreads that way. If candidate X has a great interview and impresses someone, that info will certainly spread along--not via the sports page--but through the network of people who work in the league.

I don't doubt that at all. That goes along with teams doing their due diligence when it comes to constantly evaluating their own staff and seeking out improvements or better fits. I just think that applies to all coaching candidates, not just those who happen to get an interview to fill a quota. If I were a minority it would almost be insulting.

i hear ya. there are good and bad things about the Rooney Rule, IMO. it's not the big crime that some people are making it out to be on here, but I don't know how necessary it is anymore. It just doesn't bother me, to be honest, though I do think that if I were a guy being interviewed just to fill a quota I would decline. However, I think it has had an overall positive effect on the league.

I agree with that. I think it's ran its course so to speak.

Originally posted by seanh:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by seanh:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by seanh:
A few people have said that the rule is good for putting out the candidates name, and they now know who a certain coach is because they were mentioned as having an interview. Ok, great. But if a college program or professional team goes about targeting coaching prospects by watching sports center to see what minority was interviewed this week, I feel sorry for their fans. When teams are looking to hire a candidate they do their due diligence. I'm sorry I fail to believe anybody got a job because they had their name mentioned in an AP piece and some athletic director at a university just happened to be reading the sports page that day. A coaching candidate on any level is not validated because a person was interviewed in order to comply with a league rule.

i don't think teams are only hearing the names on Sportscenter. Teams are always watching what each other are doing, and many people in front offices and working in personnel, etc, have contacts among the league and on other teams, and information spreads that way. If candidate X has a great interview and impresses someone, that info will certainly spread along--not via the sports page--but through the network of people who work in the league.

I don't doubt that at all. That goes along with teams doing their due diligence when it comes to constantly evaluating their own staff and seeking out improvements or better fits. I just think that applies to all coaching candidates, not just those who happen to get an interview to fill a quota. If I were a minority it would almost be insulting.

i hear ya. there are good and bad things about the Rooney Rule, IMO. it's not the big crime that some people are making it out to be on here, but I don't know how necessary it is anymore. It just doesn't bother me, to be honest, though I do think that if I were a guy being interviewed just to fill a quota I would decline. However, I think it has had an overall positive effect on the league.

I agree with that. I think it's ran its course so to speak.

yeah, but i do have mixed feelings about that, because, on the one hand, there are more minority coaches than ever before, but, on the other, i think without the Rooney Rule 9 teams out of 10 wouldn't interview a minority candidate at all if they weren't forced to, mostly because the vast majority of coaches in the pros and college are still all white. I think the danger of eliminating the Rooney Rule is that it could easily--without intention or malice--go back to the way things were before it was enacted, with very few minority coaches getting the chance to hold the highest positions in the league.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by Negrodamus:

Originally posted by boriken_9er:
Of course it was a sham, it was obvious from the get go. The Rooney Rule is a joke and totally disrespectful to minorities.

.... but the majority always seem to bend the rules with no consequences as always in everything in life

Exactly. This rule was actually quite helpful when it was first established in 2003. But now its a complete joke. Look at all the black coaches who are good HCs. and have jobs. Tony Dungy, Raheem Norris, Lovie Smith, Mike Tomlin...

I don't think its much of a problem anymore.

Dingy isn't coaching and I don't think those guys needed that rule to get a gig. Who cares if teams abuse the rule. The fact is that it gets minority coaches an interview, a foot in the door. It's their job to impress.

I'm mentioning all successful black HCs in recent history...

And I know that those guys didn't need to have that rule, but its just that, IMO, racism in hiring NFL coaches isn't as big of a deal as it was, say, 10 years ago.

I know it still exists, but the Rooney Rule itself is racist. Its kind of ironic..

agreed. it's like saying hmm minority coaches aren't good enough to get jobs so lets give them a better chance by getting them a bulls**t interview that is being conducted just to fit this rule

Yeah but just the fact that the minorities name is thrown out there helps the minority. It puts a national spotlight on the candidate and other teams will look into the resume to see why he was considered

Well, often, the reason this si b/c the team has to comply with the rule, so...yeah.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. But if it weren't for the Rooney rule I would have never known who Sherman was. Now a college team could consider him for a HC position bc the Cowboys interviewed him and
Put his name out there

Well thats why you aren't hiring football coaches, College ADs and Front Offices dont make their lists through the media coverage, the dictate the media coverage. Teams keep lists of head coaches and have individuals that look into such things. Normally names get discovered because they are tied to some sort of success, not because they are a minority.

i feel like if a team has an interim head coach and they decide to make him the permanent head coach, they should not need to interview a minority candidate.

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by Negrodamus:

Originally posted by boriken_9er:
Of course it was a sham, it was obvious from the get go. The Rooney Rule is a joke and totally disrespectful to minorities.

.... but the majority always seem to bend the rules with no consequences as always in everything in life

Exactly. This rule was actually quite helpful when it was first established in 2003. But now its a complete joke. Look at all the black coaches who are good HCs. and have jobs. Tony Dungy, Raheem Norris, Lovie Smith, Mike Tomlin...

I don't think its much of a problem anymore.

Dingy isn't coaching and I don't think those guys needed that rule to get a gig. Who cares if teams abuse the rule. The fact is that it gets minority coaches an interview, a foot in the door. It's their job to impress.

I'm mentioning all successful black HCs in recent history...

And I know that those guys didn't need to have that rule, but its just that, IMO, racism in hiring NFL coaches isn't as big of a deal as it was, say, 10 years ago.

I know it still exists, but the Rooney Rule itself is racist. Its kind of ironic..

agreed. it's like saying hmm minority coaches aren't good enough to get jobs so lets give them a better chance by getting them a bulls**t interview that is being conducted just to fit this rule

Yeah but just the fact that the minorities name is thrown out there helps the minority. It puts a national spotlight on the candidate and other teams will look into the resume to see why he was considered

Well, often, the reason this si b/c the team has to comply with the rule, so...yeah.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. But if it weren't for the Rooney rule I would have never known who Sherman was. Now a college team could consider him for a HC position bc the Cowboys interviewed him and
Put his name out there

Well thats why you aren't hiring football coaches, College ADs and Front Offices dont make their lists through the media coverage, the dictate the media coverage. Teams keep lists of head coaches and have individuals that look into such things. Normally names get discovered because they are tied to some sort of success, not because they are a minority.

To be interviewed at all is tied to some success

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by Negrodamus:

Originally posted by boriken_9er:
Of course it was a sham, it was obvious from the get go. The Rooney Rule is a joke and totally disrespectful to minorities.

.... but the majority always seem to bend the rules with no consequences as always in everything in life

Exactly. This rule was actually quite helpful when it was first established in 2003. But now its a complete joke. Look at all the black coaches who are good HCs. and have jobs. Tony Dungy, Raheem Norris, Lovie Smith, Mike Tomlin...

I don't think its much of a problem anymore.

Dingy isn't coaching and I don't think those guys needed that rule to get a gig. Who cares if teams abuse the rule. The fact is that it gets minority coaches an interview, a foot in the door. It's their job to impress.

I'm mentioning all successful black HCs in recent history...

And I know that those guys didn't need to have that rule, but its just that, IMO, racism in hiring NFL coaches isn't as big of a deal as it was, say, 10 years ago.

I know it still exists, but the Rooney Rule itself is racist. Its kind of ironic..

agreed. it's like saying hmm minority coaches aren't good enough to get jobs so lets give them a better chance by getting them a bulls**t interview that is being conducted just to fit this rule

Yeah but just the fact that the minorities name is thrown out there helps the minority. It puts a national spotlight on the candidate and other teams will look into the resume to see why he was considered

Well, often, the reason this si b/c the team has to comply with the rule, so...yeah.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. But if it weren't for the Rooney rule I would have never known who Sherman was. Now a college team could consider him for a HC position bc the Cowboys interviewed him and
Put his name out there

Well thats why you aren't hiring football coaches, College ADs and Front Offices dont make their lists through the media coverage, the dictate the media coverage. Teams keep lists of head coaches and have individuals that look into such things. Normally names get discovered because they are tied to some sort of success, not because they are a minority.

To be interviewed at all is tied to some success

Ya he was already on the Cowboys coaching staff so that's were his success was.