Marcellus Wiley says NFL culture still has "no tolerance" for homosexuality

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
gay people dont watch or play football, its scientifically proven

And your source is?

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
I don't care, what they do off the field is whatever. I don't even see why people are so caring for gay people now anyway. They can do whatever they want or whatever but they don't need to be sharing it in the locker room. If they don't like not being able to act gay there or whatever they can retire and pass up the millions of dollars and go work at best buy or wal mart or jc penney or something like everything else. These guys are like gladiators out there and brothers basically and for one of them to be checking his teammates out in the lockerroom would undermine all of that and that's the truth and that's what all the players themselves think. It don't mean they hate gay people or I hate gay people it just means they don't want to be in a shower with an openly gay person and that's perfectly fine.

Like it's perfectly fine if it were a black person, Jew, etc. It's not okay. Discrimination doesn't belong in America. It doesn't belong anywhere, even the locker room.

Willis, this isn't the gay person's problem. The discomfort is Wiley's and the other football players you mentioned. Let them deal with it.

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
gay people dont watch or play football, its scientifically proven

And your source is?

I did a study

Originally posted by tjd808185:


Nowhere did he imply that gays shouldn't have jobs. It was ridiculous for you to counter with that. You weren't emphazing the sentence before the comma, you were doing a hackjob on words.

The rest of your post has been bounced around at least 20 times. Some people here aren't comfortable showering with people who could be attracted to them, but obviously you aren't. Kudos to you.

I get why someone is uncomfortable showering with a gay person, that scenario is uncomfortable, but at the same time if the difference is a couple of glances then it's grow up because the guy shouldn't have to repress his life. But I stand by the statement that it shouldn't happen to the Niners. F*ck that I'm not risking a season over this. Let some other team kill their locker room.

Again, I was clearly being facetious.

As for the emphasis on the sentence, I was emphasizing his empathy for those who would choose to discriminate against somebody for things that are beyond their control instead of empathizing with those being discriminated against. That's all. As I've stated twice now, my statement about jobs was clearly facetious. That said, as far as overstatements go, the absolutely preposterous and repeated insistence in this thread that a player who happened to be gay would dedicate his pre and post game locker room preparation to sexually fantasizing about his teammates goes unchecked by you. It's fine for us to disagree, but I think there's a double standard here. Are all of these people being facetious when concocting this hypothetical, gay sexual obsessive? It doesn't seem like it.

Just as some background, I have a friend who knew he was gay when he was 12, but he was (albeit young at that point) a very competitive soccer player. At 12 he realized he either had to be gay, or keep playing soccer competitively. He couldn't do both. He was 12, so he picked soccer. He played through high school, through college on a scholarship, and then contemplated killing himself. He couldn't do it anymore. He now outshines everyone on the field in a mostly non-competitive, gay friendly, amateur league. My empathy lies with him, not with his teammates in high school and college who spent their free time making fun of f***ots.

We can bandy back and forth about what NFL players think, but this thread is based on the statement of an actual NFL player who is much more inline with my thinking on this than yours. I'm siding with Wiley, some people are siding with Hearst ("I wouldn't play with a punk f***ot"). What else is there to say?


Willis -- Good stuff. I apologize for making you feel like I was trying to back you into a corner, and I REALLY wasn't trying to say you were bigoted or hateful.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
gay people dont watch or play football, its scientifically proven

And your source is?

I did a study

Well, I respectfully disagree with you.

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
gay people dont watch or play football, its scientifically proven

And your source is?

I did a study

Well, I respectfully disagree with you.

100% of the gay people I asked said they did not like football, they prefer figure skating

society as a whole still isnt ready to accept homosexuality.


NFL= No f*g League

My only gripe is gays should not be allowed the eye candy the heterosexual guys can't have. Being gay does have benefits. I do not consider homosexuality perverse or a choice, it is the way a person is born, plain and simple. The best proof to that claim is gay women, how many of them have manly characteristics? How many gay guys look feminine?

Originally posted by Dominate:
society as a whole still isnt ready to accept homosexuality.


NFL= No f*g League

No group in the history of U.S. society has gained acceptance because the larger, unaffiliated culture woke up one morning and decided to accept them. Hasn't been true for women, for black people, for Jews, for the Irish, or for anybody else.

Throwing up your hands and drinking lemonade with your feet propped up on the wrong side of history ain't that cute, imo.

Originally posted by BobS:
My only gripe is gays should not be allowed the eye candy the heterosexual guys can't have. Being gay does have benefits. I do not consider homosexuality perverse or a choice, it is the way a person is born, plain and simple. The best proof to that claim is gay women, how many of them have manly characteristics? How many gay guys look feminine?

Cutting your hair short and dressing like a man isnt a characteristic. Nor is taking hormones and dressing like a Nancy. I think homosexuality is learned just like anything. I dont think we are born to like men or women. We are taught that a man is supposed to be with a woman by society.

Originally posted by Dominate:

Originally posted by BobS:
My only gripe is gays should not be allowed the eye candy the heterosexual guys can't have. Being gay does have benefits. I do not consider homosexuality perverse or a choice, it is the way a person is born, plain and simple. The best proof to that claim is gay women, how many of them have manly characteristics? How many gay guys look feminine?

Cutting your hair short and dressing like a man isnt a characteristic. Nor is taking hormones and dressing like a Nancy. I think homosexuality is learned just like anything. I dont think we are born to like men or women. We are taught that a man is supposed to be with a woman by society.

so does that mean you could be taught to like men if that was what you were taught since birth? i dont care how many gay people i am arround, or if all i have been told since i was a child is that i should like men, something inside would tell me no this is not how i feel, i like women. i could never be taught to like men. i was born to like women. Being gay is not a choice.

If homosexuality isn't a biological difference why are their such things as gay animals? Had a friend who had a gay poodle, he had no interest in female dogs, but was always trying to have sex with male dogs, it was the way he was wired, plain and simple. As for women with manly characteristics, I am talking about the genetic ones, like broad shoulders, deeper voices, and square jaws, not short hair cuts and wearing men's clothes.

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Originally posted by jreff22:

I don't think its THAT big of a issue. Ive known a good amount of gay guys and they joke but who gives a s**t I joke also. Best example a buddy of mine is a firefighter and they have 1 open gay guy at the fire house. They all joke and its cool he makes jokes, they make them back but they are all boys and would die for each other. Now if he grabbed someones dick it would be a different story but they are all adults and know which lines cannot be crossed.

Seriously. To be fair, in locker rooms and fire houses and frat houses and practically all entirely male-dominated spaces, the straight guys are smacking each other's butts and flicking each dicks and joking around about gay sex WAY MORE OFTEN than the occasional gay guy would.

WTF?

Out of curiosity, have you lived in a frat house? Ever spent significant amount of time in a firehouse? Ever been on a football team? If you've played on a football team, have you ever had your ass patted more in your life?

I've lived in a frat house, spent significant time in a firehouse, and played football. If you think goofing around about sexuality isn't common in these places, you obviously haven't been in them before.

Personally I haven't been in a Frat, but I'm friends with a lot of em.

And I grew up playing ice hockey, so I'm well aware of locker room culture.

I have never touched antoher man's dick, but apparently you do?

Sorry if that seems wierd to me, I just don't know many straight guys touching another guys dick.

Originally posted by Dominate:

Originally posted by BobS:
My only gripe is gays should not be allowed the eye candy the heterosexual guys can't have. Being gay does have benefits. I do not consider homosexuality perverse or a choice, it is the way a person is born, plain and simple. The best proof to that claim is gay women, how many of them have manly characteristics? How many gay guys look feminine?

Cutting your hair short and dressing like a man isnt a characteristic. Nor is taking hormones and dressing like a Nancy. I think homosexuality is learned just like anything. I dont think we are born to like men or women. We are taught that a man is supposed to be with a woman by society.

do you think someone could teach you to be gay then?