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Originally posted by DaleGribble:
I've always thought Foerster sucked,I have no clue what recognizable improvement you're talking about outside of McKivitz being medicore.

4th in rushing yards since 2019 with what talent outside of Trent? Hes turning mid and late round picks into functional starters.
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Originally posted by RDB4216:
Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Originally posted by RDB4216:
Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by tankle104:
So who's still available that would be a great pick? I don't follow the players as closely as some do here

I like Pregnon. He's an older prospect but he could step in and start at LG as a rookie and likely do a pretty good job. He's got some meanness to his game, the type of lineman that lives to put guys on their asses which this team definitely could use more of.

Would be nice to have a more aggressive o line. Ours doesn't seem to punish anyone.

Would be nice to upgrade at C to a more aggressive stud. Idk who in this draft could do it or if someone on our practice squad could

Agree on both points. Overall I'd like bigger linemen that can move, but you only have one day one pick and guys like Trent Williams usually go by the 3rd pick in the first round.

Having said that. I think our current OLine is one of the better ones in the league and there are players currently on the roster that I think can develop like Colton Mckivitz. (Colby, Drake, and Pleasants) Signing Trent to two more years helps our OLine talent a lot. Signing him was equivalent to a first and a second pick in my opinion.
Its really not you have no LG,Puni regressed for whatever reason last season,I don't know how much more you can expect McKivitz to develop at this point and Brendel flat out sucks.

I'll be atleast mildly surprised if they don't go G with their first pick tonight.

Puni regressed because he was playing through a groin injury.
Maybe maybe not.
There's no maybe
You have no way of knowing that for sure nobody does.

You honestly think that a groin injury on a 315 pound man is NOT going to be a problem? Just press square on the controller and keep him playing, like it's Madden?
Where did I say that the groin injury wasn't part of the problem?

But there's absolutely no of way of knowing if it was the only issue with his regression we have no way of knowing till he steps on the field healthy its not that hard to comprehend.
Originally posted by okdkid:
Take Bell early.

Clean ACL injuries are not a chronic issue in the year 2026.

You are correct but with our history we need clean players not clean ACL tears.
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Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Tomlinson played well pretty much immediately once he was acquired so I don't see much development there,Brendel has never been mediocre,the fact that Puni started and played well immediately doesn't indicate there was a whole lot of development necessary.

I've said my piece on the *facts* that Foerster *can develop day three talent level players* you really haven't refuted my argument at all.
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
What would you take for the #33 pick?

UW WR or UT CB... that's gotta be the pick..

LB Rodriguez or Mighty Mouse from Pitt should be the pick towards 3rd. ..
Cleveland #39? Think 1986-Bill Walsh started out somewhere in the teens and ended up with his first pick being Larry Roberts at #39. Several trades later he ended up with 7 starter picks in the first 102. Then there was Don Griffin round 6 and Brent Jones a year later from the scrap heap. That's 9 starters who took 2 years before that almost 3-peat started. The '86 class was not top heavy and neither is this one. Is 4 in the top 100 doable. We should hope for 5.
Originally posted by scooterhd:
Originally posted by DaleGribble:
I've always thought Foerster sucked,I have no clue what recognizable improvement you're talking about outside of McKivitz being medicore.

4th in rushing yards since 2019 with what talent outside of Trent? Hes turning mid and late round picks into functional starters.

"Functional" works great in the regular season but it doesn't win you championships
Originally posted by Giedi:
I disagree. I think Colby playing the way he did as a *rookie* is fantastic. Brendel's value is more in terms of a athletic pass blocking center vs a dominating hall of fame Mike Webster/Alex Mack run/pass blocker. Scheme is also important in picking players. 49ers are a left handed running team - in part due to Trent playing left tackle. They are a right handed play action team because Purdy is right handed, so Mckivitz doesn't need to be a all world Trent Williams 2.0 on the playpass calls.

Now I'm not adverse to adding OLine talent. I've pounded the table for a top flight OT due to Trent's age, but ShanaLynch have other ideas. I think defense is a greater need this year than offense because I think Kyle and Foerster can coach up day three OLine picks to day two or day one value. Kyle scheme also allows for day three picks to perform at day one levels (Jauan Jennings for example). I'm still hoping for a day two OLineman pick today, but I think they go defense - unfortunately for me.
Considering the offseason moves they've made so far it doesn't seem like they're as high on Colby as you are,we'll have to agree to disagree on Brendel.

Like I said McKivitz is the least of their problems especially considering the black hole that is LG & C you can live with his play you can't have All Pros at every position.

You aren't competing with Seattle without improvements to this OL Kyle said as much himself recently.
Originally posted by scooterhd:
Originally posted by DaleGribble:
I've always thought Foerster sucked,I have no clue what recognizable improvement you're talking about outside of McKivitz being medicore.

4th in rushing yards since 2019 with what talent outside of Trent? Hes turning mid and late round picks into functional starters.
I think that has more to do with Kyle's than Foresters coaching but to each is own.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Tomlinson played well pretty much immediately once he was acquired so I don't see much development there,Brendel has never been mediocre,the fact that Puni started and played well immediately doesn't indicate there was a whole lot of development necessary.

I've said my piece on the *facts* that Foerster *can develop day three talent level players* you really haven't refuted my argument at all.
I guess we have a completely different definition of what the word fact means.
Originally posted by mcwoot:
"Functional" works great in the regular season but it doesn't win you championships

Functional was the MO for Brady...

What do you think the Seahawks and Pats had last year?
Originally posted by scooterhd:
Originally posted by mcwoot:
"Functional" works great in the regular season but it doesn't win you championships

Functional was the MO for Brady...

What do you think the Seahawks and Pats had last year?
What was the major difference in the outcome of that game?
Article on the Athletic thinks that we could receive a 2nd for Mac today. I haven't lined up the QB needy teams in the upper quarter of the draft but think the Jets and Cards. Cards could be nice at 34 but they are divisional and we will all scream Kyle helped out friends and family despite being in the same division.

i would still do it. Especially if it's a high 2nd.
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Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by DaleGribble:
If it was simply injuries then Puni should rebound,Colby was bad after his first game,Brendel is absolute and complete dogs**t and McKivitz is mediocre but hes the least of the problem compared to LG & C.

I see nothing promising about any of those guys you mentioned and if any of them see significant playing time this team is royally screwed.

So, you're saying we should dump Foerster and hire a new OL coach. Apparently, the current one, despite recognized improvements in several players is not good enough?
I've always thought Foerster sucked,I have no clue what recognizable improvement you're talking about outside of McKivitz being medicore.

I won't prolong this because you have made it clear you do not agree with professional analysts in their assessment of players. What I will do is point out the fact that McKivitz finished his first year as a starter being ranked in the low 40s. The next year he was in the low 20s. This past year he was ranked the #4 RT in the league (far above mediocre). Since Kyle does not coach the OL, I'll give CF credit for that. Brendel showed similar progression from the high teens his first year to #8 this past year. Again, give the position coach his due. As others have pointed out, Colby, being a raw rookie, came in and played surprisingly well all things considered.

We need a LG now, and a future replacement for Brendel, but it is not worth a 2nd or 3rd today. I expect Brendel to be starting again next year while grooming his replacement.
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