With the 11th overall pick..

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Lenoir and Green are better playing man......if Barron can play man at a high level I want him

I just want a stud player! That's all I ask - a stud muffin. I'd love someone on the d line but I'll take a stud at whatever position - just positive players who make us better and make a positive impact

DL and more specifically outside pass rusher is likely to be the pick if you're a person who goes by tendencies.

OT might be a possibility and it's a pretty small chance but WR as well though I don't think there is a WR at #11 they'd pull the trigger on but I only list it because the clearly view the position as worthy of a 1st round selection.

And I think OT is only a possibility because the position has few elite prospects every and they go quickly so their mentality might be to get it if they can because you can find quality at DL later in the draft.

But hard to imagine them not drafting someone to go on the front 4. It might be the position group they value the most and it desperately needs an overhaul.

They could buck the trend with CB but so far they've shown that they see that position as more of a 2nd to 4th round value and rather a heavy pass rush to cover an average secondary.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Im fine with a player who can be "and excellent OG" and also has the ability.to step into a starting LT spot when Trent retires.

Let's face it. There are no sure fire elite All Pro certain players at 11. The guys i would love, Campbell and Membou, also have size issues and will be gone anyway. The edge guys all have question marks and there are so many quality DTs that it makes sense to wait until rds 2 and.3.

Maybe it does make sense to just take Johnson or Barren and solidify the secondary. Regardless , I think a trade down is by far the smart way to go if they can somehow find a trade partner

If we were to trade down what would be your ideal realistic situation? What is our estimated return? Who would be your realistic targets?

Just curious to see what your plan would be.

Hard to say what other teams covet and would be willing to part with. I would probably reach out to Indy at 14 and Cincy at 17 to see if they wanted to move up for a guy like Warren. Ideally we would swap with Indy and pick up a 3rd to move back 3 spots.

If that happened, I think we would still be able to get someone like Harmon, Banks, Barron, or Johnson. Perhaps Williams although I do think he would be gone.

I'd be all over that if the board falls how I think it will, and see it as realistic. Have to wonder who the Colts would be trying to leapfrog though, more likely to find a team lower trying to leapfrog the Colts. I'd be happy to go back further for more cheddar. Say Broncos and they give a 2nd and a 3rd, one would probably be next year, but that's fine by me too.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm not drafting a guy who's a OG at the next level at 11.

I disagree Campbell and Membou have the same issues he's has.

Barren imo is at his best playing NCB. Some folks disagree, that's fine. I think he's a good prospect, I can't draft him top 11 if the plan is to play him outside.

Johnson has his warts all the same. Muliple lower leg injuries, short arms, poor tackler, lacking true long speed.

Look we can pick apart all these guys, for me good or bad I think it's gonna be DL. It's a massive need that's needs higher end talented infused into it. There's talent there and it's just a very SF move.

I'm not sure anyone disagrees that Barren's best fit is at Nickel, even on the podcast you posted they just say why he's great at Nickel with his change of direction, blitz ability and run support, they don't say he's not good outside. I agree that we won't take him, they've not even mentioned a CB they'd take in Rd 1 all these years.

That said depending on the board I wouldn't hate it. Would give us a lot of flexibility in coverages and matchups. I think we want Lenoir on the outside, but accept that he's our best Nickel, Barron could let us out him back outside.

I also think you're right about Stewart, I just hope he's picked above us, which unfortunately I think could only be to the Panthers who will probably take McMillan. Bears could possibly do it, though I think they're invested in supporting Caleb best they can. Oh Saints love a project DE, remember when they took Davenport? That was crazy! Do it!

This 11th pick has to be DT all the way. I'm betting it's Harmon and sticking to my guns with who I want to see at 11 or in the 1st round altogether. I won't be mad if they reached for Tyliek Williams or Darius Alexander, I'm just prepared for the pick to be DT all the way to the podium. I wouldn't try to bank on who's gonna be there in the 2nd.

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Since07:
And Walker is 6'1, he looks like a 1 trick pony to me. Think our goal is to revamp the DL in a run stopping unit and he doesn't fit that mold. Maybe I'm wrong think Walker is an excellent pass rusher but imagine him getting double teamed in a wide 9

What's his one trick? And good luck doubling him, just some bloke called Nick Bosa to deal with as well.

Agility, I don't remember seeing him bull rush or push the pocket. Hes really good at setting the edge and can bend but I don't see much strength being used. That's why you would double Walker and run away from Bosa in the run game.

But in the run game he'd be next to Warner, or in Al-Shair's old role, and there his run D is great. Besides he also has heavy hands and has pushed around some very good Tackles. Plus I project that he will work his butt off to improve and learn from Bosa.

We still call it a 3rd down rusher but it's not really, it's obvious pass situations, 3rd and 5+, end of the half, end of the game type stuff. If you give up a big run in those situations you have more problems than a designated pass rusher getting double teamed.

Seen him comped to Clay Matthews, and I don't hate it. There are fewer 3-4 Defenses in the league, but if you can't carve out a role for guys like that, you shouldn't be coaching D.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Lenoir and Green are better playing man......if Barron can play man at a high level I want him

I just want a stud player! That's all I ask - a stud muffin. I'd love someone on the d line but I'll take a stud at whatever position - just positive players who make us better and make a positive impact

I think that comes down to the QB's, there's fewer studs this year. Starters not Stars says Jeremiah. I'm not sure it's much worse than some years, but when you have 3, 4 or 6 QB's like last year go in the top 15, it'll push more talent down. We're a bit light on both this year.

I think we're going to like our pick at #43 more than #11, I think this draft stacks better on Day 2 Vs other years than it does on Day 1.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Having spent the entire weekend on the phones, here are two names who'll go higher than where the consensus mock drafts have them going right now:

1. Mykel Williams EDGE
2. Colston Loveland TE

PLENTY more to come this week. My mock goes up Wednesday. @ESPNNFL

— Peter Schrager (@PSchrags) April 21, 2025

I'm pretty low on both, I think this is from the size queens! I'd love them to go above us.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
This 11th pick has to be DT all the way. I'm betting it's Harmon and sticking to my guns with who I want to see at 11 or in the 1st round altogether. I won't be mad if they reached for Tyliek Williams or Darius Alexander, I'm just prepared for the pick to be DT all the way to the podium. I wouldn't try to bank on who's gonna be there in the 2nd.

BPA

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Lenoir and Green are better playing man......if Barron can play man at a high level I want him

That's another thing, he never played man at Texas.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Lenoir and Green are better playing man......if Barron can play man at a high level I want him

That's another thing, he never played man at Texas.

No, but it's a match zone, it turns into man more than it doesn't and he flashes some stick, if anything that's harder as he has to read and transition.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Having spent the entire weekend on the phones, here are two names who'll go higher than where the consensus mock drafts have them going right now:

1. Mykel Williams EDGE
2. Colston Loveland TE

PLENTY more to come this week. My mock goes up Wednesday. @ESPNNFL

— Peter Schrager (@PSchrags) April 21, 2025

I'm pretty low on both, I think this is from the size queens! I'd love them to go above us.

Dude Loveland is the best pass catching TE in this draft. He's so smooth as a route runner. He can actually separate consistently vs someone like Warren. It wasn't all schemed up stuff for him at Michigan. Horrible QB play this yr for him, but man he's ready to role as a starting TE day 1.

He's my TE1, he's got Kelce like skills finding soft spots in zones along with great movement skills…him being almost 6-6 250lbs makes him a mismatch nightmare.

We will disagree on Williams, but we've talking about that.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Lenoir and Green are better playing man......if Barron can play man at a high level I want him

That's another thing, he never played man at Texas.

No, but it's a match zone, it turns into man more than it doesn't and he flashes some stick, if anything that's harder as he has to read and transition.

When he's out of phase the recovery speed on the outside wasn't anything special. Gets handsy on the top of routes. He's got ridiculously short arms (and we know how SF feels about that at CB).

imo he's just looked wayyy more comfortable with everything in front of him and on those underneath routes. I think he's a good player. I think if you want him at his best it's in that slot/star role…not on the outside and we already got a stud NCB.

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