With the 11th overall pick..

Myles hasn't been my favorite at all, but I get the allure. I just worry an edge at 11 is a reach and we can't afford to miss that pick.

I think they like YMG, and he's far from horrible so taking an edge in 2-4rd seems the play. Nice rotational guy to develop a bit. I mean any edge taken even in rd 1 would be used in the same way now that in think about it.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Trayvon Walker is three times the athlete Williams is. Jalon Walker is much better than Williams

Williams is plenty athletic. Also that doesn't change the point of why Walker was inefficient as a pass rusher at UG anyway. Similar stats, it's not like he was crushing it on those "money downs" either.

Originally posted by miked1978:
He's also only 20 years old. If you look at other pass rushers with great stats you'll see most don't turn it on till their 4th year. The kid from Boston College had like 2 sacks his junior year before getting 16 sacks his last year.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Williams is plenty athletic. Also that doesn't change the point of why Walker was inefficient as a pass rusher at UG anyway. Similar stats, it's not like he was crushing it on those "money downs" either.

I'll give you the 20 year old angle but plenty athletic is only good enough with amazing technique. Without that you need elite explosion. Look I'm not saying he can't get there, but at #11 I don't really want a project.

Jalon Walker would be a project as a pass rusher, but I already know he has other things I can get value from, and he's a better athlete with better technique.

All I know is that whomever the pick is this year we need them to be a guys who can get in there and play meaningful downs this year and be ready to be a playmaker for the 2026 season. With San Francisco ripping the dead money Band-Aid off this year I'm not expecting anything massive. But next year is going to be at different story and whomever they pick need to be ready to be starters and playmakers next season. I would love to be surprised and see us be very competitive this year but I am not expecting it.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I'll give you the 20 year old angle but plenty athletic is only good enough with amazing technique. Without that you need elite explosion. Look I'm not saying he can't get there, but at #11 I don't really want a project.

Jalon Walker would be a project as a pass rusher, but I already know he has other things I can get value from, and he's a better athlete with better technique.

His 20 yard split and 10 yard split were great scores compared to other RAS markers. Almost 34 and 1/2" arms 6-5 265lbs. Not sure what you mean by not being a really good athlete?

J Walker didn't test at all. His body type to play EDGE is damn near zero percentile and I kinda disagree with knowing he has other things. I don't see him as a quality off ball LBer at all. I see a guy you can spy and be part of some exotic blitz packages there. I see Nolan Smith vs someone like Parsons.

I would say Williams as a run defender is elite level already AND he has top end measureables on top of it to improve without question. So from that perspective I know he has other things as well.

No matter who SF takes at 11 it will seem like an overdraft (unless Tyler Warren is there). Most guys we think they be drafting be available between 15-25.

Originally posted by MinerForty-Niner:
No matter who SF takes at 11 it will seem like an overdraft (unless Tyler Warren is there). Most guys we think they be drafting be available between 15-25.

I don't know how you can overdraft somebody if the players outside of the 2 or 3 blue chips players are ranked similar to each other and that's all who is available.

guys like Nolan, Stewart, Green, Johnson, Williams, Walker could all go top 10 or go 20-30. Unless there is a massive reach I don't think you can overdraft someone in this draft.

If Campbell is there at 11 and they view him as a future LT would you take him over everyone else that is supposed to be there?

Jahdae Barron
Trade down
Derrick Harmon

This would be my top 3 choices

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I don't buy the system crap, fine on 1st & 2nd down some DE's have to read run before they go get the QB, but on 3rd and long or at the end of halves and games when everyone knows the other team is passing? Everyone gets to pin their ears back to the QB. If you can't get there in college, what makes you think he can get there in the pro's? Also don't buy the rotation argument, in those situations you get your best pass rushers on the field, they're called money downs for a reason.

So explain Travon Walker then? Now he's a double digit sack guy in back to back yrs

Also from what I've read on Williams he played on a s**t ankle all season this yr

Trayvon Walker is three times the athlete Williams is. Jalon Walker is much better than Williams

Dude, they have almost identical measurables.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by miked1978:
He's also only 20 years old. If you look at other pass rushers with great stats you'll see most don't turn it on till their 4th year. The kid from Boston College had like 2 sacks his junior year before getting 16 sacks his last year.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Williams is plenty athletic. Also that doesn't change the point of why Walker was inefficient as a pass rusher at UG anyway. Similar stats, it's not like he was crushing it on those "money downs" either.

I'll give you the 20 year old angle but plenty athletic is only good enough with amazing technique. Without that you need elite explosion. Look I'm not saying he can't get there, but at #11 I don't really want a project.

Jalon Walker would be a project as a pass rusher, but I already know he has other things I can get value from, and he's a better athlete with better technique.

Another thing what people don't understand is these guys are students too. They aren't full time football players.

Thats why you look at the traits too. Size, length, measurables.

Get these kids in a full time NFL program with the best coaches and strength teams and then you see them explode. Having Bosa to learn from is icing on the cake.

Mykel Williams run D is probably the best out of the class among edges. He has flashes of dominant pass rush sets where he looks like Aldon Smith with his pass rush plan and hand technique. He is long and powerful. Hes a relentless worker.

He has all the tools in the tool box to be a dominant edge.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I'll give you the 20 year old angle but plenty athletic is only good enough with amazing technique. Without that you need elite explosion. Look I'm not saying he can't get there, but at #11 I don't really want a project.

Jalon Walker would be a project as a pass rusher, but I already know he has other things I can get value from, and he's a better athlete with better technique.

His 20 yard split and 10 yard split were great scores compared to other RAS markers. Almost 34 and 1/2" arms 6-5 265lbs. Not sure what you mean by not being a really good athlete?

J Walker didn't test at all. His body type to play EDGE is damn near zero percentile and I kinda disagree with knowing he has other things. I don't see him as a quality off ball LBer at all. I see a guy you can spy and be part of some exotic blitz packages there. I see Nolan Smith vs someone like Parsons.

I would say Williams as a run defender is elite level already AND he has top end measureables on top of it to improve without question. So from that perspective I know he has other things as well.

I don't look at testing until I've finished my evaluation, I can see that Walker is much more explosive and fluid. I've already broken down what I think Walker can do for you, A gap pressure coming or faking, hook zone, flat, force, QB spy.

As an edge I don't need him to hold up, just rush the passer on money downs with his heavy hands and explosion.

I like Harmon, Campbell/Membou at 11. Pass on Stewart /Mykel/ Walker as I rather have one of Braden Swinson/Jordan Burch/ Landon Jackson later.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I don't look at testing until I've finished my evaluation, I can see that Walker is much more explosive and fluid. I've already broken down what I think Walker can do for you, A gap pressure coming or faking, hook zone, flat, force, QB spy.

As an edge I don't need him to hold up, just rush the passer on money downs with his heavy hands and explosion.

Problem is we have to get to the money downs and I think Walker would get blown up on run downs. I think he would have big problems setting the edge in this wide 9. Teams would run at him all day long.

I like Walker for the record but Im not using the 11th overall pick on a sub rusher or designated pass rusher.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I don't look at testing until I've finished my evaluation, I can see that Walker is much more explosive and fluid. I've already broken down what I think Walker can do for you, A gap pressure coming or faking, hook zone, flat, force, QB spy.

As an edge I don't need him to hold up, just rush the passer on money downs with his heavy hands and explosion.

I mean we already have some one like that in Dee Winters outside of playing the edge, not only do I not see Walker as a scheme fit but a huge liability in the run game at LB or DE
We definitely need someone to pair with Bosa but I think we need to focus on run defense, our pass rush isn't bad but our run defense looks really bad on paper only two players I trust is Bosa and Warner