With the 11th overall pick..

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
But wait for it….they STILL have that dominant back and he's signed here thru 2027 😱

oh and this is one of the deepest RB draft classes in a decade.

As I've posted here before( though not directly to you) drafting Jeanty would depend on how you feel about CMC. You clearly think he can still be that all pro back. I do not.

I think he can be that all pro back next year, but we say that you can't even evaluate a draft within 3 years, and there's no way I can project 3 years for CMC. It widens the talent gap that I'm willing to ignore to draft him, but to not even have a gap is ludicrous in my opinion.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
But wait for it….they STILL have that dominant back and he's signed here thru 2027 😱

oh and this is one of the deepest RB draft classes in a decade.

As I've posted here before( though not directly to you) drafting Jeanty would depend on how you feel about CMC. You clearly think he can still be that all pro back. I do not.

From everything I've read he's 100% and his injury is more related to lack of proper recovery and having to change his workouts. I see no reason as to why his play will just s**t the bed as long as he can play…

but you know that's the life of a RB and why I won't invest top picks or massive amounts of money there. I think AJ is super talented, I'm sure he gonna be a good RB…he's also coming into the league with 750 carries and has been beat to s**t before he even steps on the field.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
That's all ridiculous IMO, I love how you add the little caveat about Saquon, like he had nothing to do with the Eagles winning the Superbowl, but it doesn't count because it's his 2nd team. Like it's his fault the Giants whiffed finding his QB and an O-Line and then decided to give said QB a contract instead of him.

I'll give that there are loads of good RB's that enter the league, but no more than other positions, in fact I'd argue that recent years the talent has diminished as they all want to be WR's now.

Yes RB has a short shelf life, but we have seen the difference CMC made to us, and what Saquon and Henry did for their teams.

Again, and hopefully for the last time, people are not trying to just draft a RB, they are just correctly pointing out, that if one is head and shoulders above the next prospect they should be considered. I don't understand why that is so hard to comprehend.

CB has nothing to do with the conversation was just invoking that we don't normally draft one early, but you'd make an exception for Travis Hunter. As an aside, if our regime thought like this we would probably have drafted Pat Mahomes and or CD Lamb.

What's ridiculous? The fact that 20 of the 21 RBs drafted in the first round hasn't helped lead their team to a Super Bowl AND thats giving you Saquan helping philly last year.

Want to look at Saquan? Instead of drafting Saquan the Giants could have got Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson at QB in that same draft. Or could have drafeted Quentin Nelson for their oline. Instead of drafting Barkley they could have drafted Josh Allen or Lamar in the first and then drafted Nick Chubb in the 2nd if they wanted a RB that bad. I know its hindsight and thats not fair but the point still stands.

Some of those RBs i listed were dawgs in college too and most of them have had decent careers in the NFL but the value just isn't there in the first round no matter how you slice it.
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Barkley was the right pick in that draft.

It was the rest of their drafting over the years that made them suck.

As if Quentin Nelson would have changed their fortunes lol

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
That's all ridiculous IMO, I love how you add the little caveat about Saquon, like he had nothing to do with the Eagles winning the Superbowl, but it doesn't count because it's his 2nd team. Like it's his fault the Giants whiffed finding his QB and an O-Line and then decided to give said QB a contract instead of him.

I'll give that there are loads of good RB's that enter the league, but no more than other positions, in fact I'd argue that recent years the talent has diminished as they all want to be WR's now.

Yes RB has a short shelf life, but we have seen the difference CMC made to us, and what Saquon and Henry did for their teams.

Again, and hopefully for the last time, people are not trying to just draft a RB, they are just correctly pointing out, that if one is head and shoulders above the next prospect they should be considered. I don't understand why that is so hard to comprehend.

CB has nothing to do with the conversation was just invoking that we don't normally draft one early, but you'd make an exception for Travis Hunter. As an aside, if our regime thought like this we would probably have drafted Pat Mahomes and or CD Lamb.

What's ridiculous? The fact that 20 of the 21 RBs drafted in the first round hasn't helped lead their team to a Super Bowl AND thats giving you Saquan helping philly last year.

Want to look at Saquan? Instead of drafting Saquan the Giants could have got Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson at QB in that same draft. Or could have drafeted Quentin Nelson for their oline. Instead of drafting Barkley they could have drafted Josh Allen or Lamar in the first and then drafted Nick Chubb in the 2nd if they wanted a RB that bad. I know its hindsight and thats not fair but the point still stands.

Some of those RBs i listed were dawgs in college too and most of them have had decent careers in the NFL but the value just isn't there in the first round no matter how you slice it.
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How many Super Bowl wins have Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, Myles Garrett, Chase Young, Travon Walker, Aiden Hutchinson, or Micah Parsons brought to their teams? And with the exception of Parons, those aren't just 1st round picks - they are TOP TWO picks.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
But wait for it….they STILL have that dominant back and he's signed here thru 2027 😱

oh and this is one of the deepest RB draft classes in a decade.

As I've posted here before( though not directly to you) drafting Jeanty would depend on how you feel about CMC. You clearly think he can still be that all pro back. I do not.

From everything I've read he's 100% and his injury is more related to lack of proper recovery and having to change his workouts. I see no reason as to why his play will just s**t the bed as long as he can play…

but you know that's the life of a RB and why I won't invest top picks or massive amounts of money there. I think AJ is super talented, I'm sure he gonna be a good RB…he's also coming into the league with 750 carries and has been beat to s**t before he even steps on the field.

My hesitation is that I believe Kyle feels the same way as you. Which would be a waste. If he bought in to Jeanty being 1A or even 1B this year I would lean Jeanty. Unfortunately, Kyle is going g to ride CMC until the wheels fall off. Which isn't going to end well for us

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
They also made it with a dominant back and an OK DL.

But wait for it….they STILL have that dominant back and he's signed here thru 2027 😱

oh and this is one of the deepest RB draft classes in a decade.

He may not be dominant anymore.

I view CMC as if we aren't going to get what we got out of him and that he may have same injury issue come again and he is unavailable.

You see CMC apparently and are like yeah we're covered.

If we drafted Jeanty at 11 because he is a top 3 player in this draft and maybe the best player in this draft I'd be fine trading CMC for a 3rd and 4th rounder in this draft after night one is over.

Anything other than passing on a top 3 player for a top 25 player

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
But wait for it….they STILL have that dominant back and he's signed here thru 2027 😱

oh and this is one of the deepest RB draft classes in a decade.

As I've posted here before( though not directly to you) drafting Jeanty would depend on how you feel about CMC. You clearly think he can still be that all pro back. I do not.

From everything I've read he's 100% and his injury is more related to lack of proper recovery and having to change his workouts. I see no reason as to why his play will just s**t the bed as long as he can play…

but you know that's the life of a RB and why I won't invest top picks or massive amounts of money there. I think AJ is super talented, I'm sure he gonna be a good RB…he's also coming into the league with 750 carries and has been beat to s**t before he even steps on the field.

My hesitation is that I believe Kyle feels the same way as you. Which would be a waste. If he bought in to Jeanty being 1A or even 1B this year I would lean Jeanty. Unfortunately, Kyle is going g to ride CMC until the wheels fall off. Which isn't going to end well for us

Whilst I give Kyle more credit that that, I do feel they'd rather reach for need and pray CMC stays healthy. Doesn't mean we have to like it or agree that's the best thing to do.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Barkley was the right pick in that draft.

It was the rest of their drafting over the years that made them suck.

As if Quentin Nelson would have changed their fortunes lol

Yeah you're right Barkley over Josh Allen was the right pick

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
But wait for it….they STILL have that dominant back and he's signed here thru 2027 😱

oh and this is one of the deepest RB draft classes in a decade.

As I've posted here before( though not directly to you) drafting Jeanty would depend on how you feel about CMC. You clearly think he can still be that all pro back. I do not.

From everything I've read he's 100% and his injury is more related to lack of proper recovery and having to change his workouts. I see no reason as to why his play will just s**t the bed as long as he can play…

but you know that's the life of a RB and why I won't invest top picks or massive amounts of money there. I think AJ is super talented, I'm sure he gonna be a good RB…he's also coming into the league with 750 carries and has been beat to s**t before he even steps on the field.

My hesitation is that I believe Kyle feels the same way as you. Which would be a waste. If he bought in to Jeanty being 1A or even 1B this year I would lean Jeanty. Unfortunately, Kyle is going g to ride CMC until the wheels fall off. Which isn't going to end well for us

Whilst I give Kyle more credit that that, I do feel they'd rather reach for need and pray CMC stays healthy. Doesn't mean we have to like it or agree that's the best thing to do.

Be no different in praying that AJ stays healthy.

if SF didn't think CMC was fine they wouldn't have sent Mason to Minn.

we have the god father of finding elite level RBs for this scheme on Bobby Turner. Let him go find something that can add to this RB room.

Originally posted by RDB4216:
How many Super Bowl wins have Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, Myles Garrett, Chase Young, Travon Walker, Aiden Hutchinson, or Micah Parsons brought to their teams? And with the exception of Parons, those aren't just 1st round picks - they are TOP TWO picks.

I mean the eagles just won a SB based off their DL. The Giants won two based off their DL. Von miller single handily won the broncos a SB.

Rams won a Super Bowl with prime Donald, Floyd and Von miller. Their RB was Darrell Henderson….they did however lose a SB with a generational RB who actually compares to AJ in Todd Gurley. How long was he in the league? 6-7 yrs?

Originally posted by RDB4216:
How many Super Bowl wins have Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, Myles Garrett, Chase Young, Travon Walker, Aiden Hutchinson, or Micah Parsons brought to their teams? And with the exception of Parons, those aren't just 1st round picks - they are TOP TWO picks.

C'mon bro. If you were honest with yourself you'd admit nobody builds their team around a RB. If you were honest with yourself you'd admit its easier to find good RBs in the later rounds than it is other positions.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
But wait for it….they STILL have that dominant back and he's signed here thru 2027 😱

oh and this is one of the deepest RB draft classes in a decade.

As I've posted here before( though not directly to you) drafting Jeanty would depend on how you feel about CMC. You clearly think he can still be that all pro back. I do not.

From everything I've read he's 100% and his injury is more related to lack of proper recovery and having to change his workouts. I see no reason as to why his play will just s**t the bed as long as he can play…

but you know that's the life of a RB and why I won't invest top picks or massive amounts of money there. I think AJ is super talented, I'm sure he gonna be a good RB…he's also coming into the league with 750 carries and has been beat to s**t before he even steps on the field.

My hesitation is that I believe Kyle feels the same way as you. Which would be a waste. If he bought in to Jeanty being 1A or even 1B this year I would lean Jeanty. Unfortunately, Kyle is going g to ride CMC until the wheels fall off. Which isn't going to end well for us

Whilst I give Kyle more credit that that, I do feel they'd rather reach for need and pray CMC stays healthy. Doesn't mean we have to like it or agree that's the best thing to do.

Be no different in praying that AJ stays healthy.

if SF didn't think CMC was fine they wouldn't have sent Mason to Minn.

we have the god father of finding elite level RBs for this scheme on Bobby Turner. Let him go find something that can add to this RB room.

That's probably the most ridiculous thing you've said in this discussion. 29 year old RB coming off a season where he started on the PUP and finished on IR, with a long injury history Vs a rocked up 21 year old stud who's never been injured and looks like he was built in a lab!

The Mason argument is also a fallacy, they already said they didn't want to pay what he was worth, so used the transition tag to get something out of it.

I'd rather draft an RB later, and I have about 3 prospects I'm fairly confident will be there who I'd draft over him. Just saying that if I'm going to pass I need someone in the same vicinity talent wise.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by RDB4216:
How many Super Bowl wins have Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, Myles Garrett, Chase Young, Travon Walker, Aiden Hutchinson, or Micah Parsons brought to their teams? And with the exception of Parons, those aren't just 1st round picks - they are TOP TWO picks.

C'mon bro. If you were honest with yourself you'd admit nobody builds their team around a RB. If you were honest with yourself you'd admit its easier to find good RBs in the later rounds than it is other positions.

If you were being honest with yourself you'd agree that we wouldn't be building our team around Jeanty. The only part of the team that needs rebuilt is DL. We could draft a kicker in the 1st round and still build a pretty good Defensive line with the picks we have remaining.

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Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Barkley was the right pick in that draft.

It was the rest of their drafting over the years that made them suck.

As if Quentin Nelson would have changed their fortunes lol

Barkley was not the right pick. They had a new GM and a new HC. Eli Manning was nearing retirement. They had a ton of needs and chose to pick the position that is the easiest position to find talent for. Shockingly (sarcasm) they had to reach for a QB (Daniel Jones) in 2019 because they chose a freakin RB in 2018. Picking Barkley was just one of many bad mistakes by Dave Gettleman.

I could guarantee you they'd pay Q. Nelson over Barkley. So let that tell you something.
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Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
But wait for it….they STILL have that dominant back and he's signed here thru 2027 😱

oh and this is one of the deepest RB draft classes in a decade.

As I've posted here before( though not directly to you) drafting Jeanty would depend on how you feel about CMC. You clearly think he can still be that all pro back. I do not.

From everything I've read he's 100% and his injury is more related to lack of proper recovery and having to change his workouts. I see no reason as to why his play will just s**t the bed as long as he can play…

but you know that's the life of a RB and why I won't invest top picks or massive amounts of money there. I think AJ is super talented, I'm sure he gonna be a good RB…he's also coming into the league with 750 carries and has been beat to s**t before he even steps on the field.

My hesitation is that I believe Kyle feels the same way as you. Which would be a waste. If he bought in to Jeanty being 1A or even 1B this year I would lean Jeanty. Unfortunately, Kyle is going g to ride CMC until the wheels fall off. Which isn't going to end well for us

Whilst I give Kyle more credit that that, I do feel they'd rather reach for need and pray CMC stays healthy. Doesn't mean we have to like it or agree that's the best thing to do.

Be no different in praying that AJ stays healthy.

if SF didn't think CMC was fine they wouldn't have sent Mason to Minn.

we have the god father of finding elite level RBs for this scheme on Bobby Turner. Let him go find something that can add to this RB room.

That's probably the most ridiculous thing you've said in this discussion. 29 year old RB coming off a season where he started on the PUP and finished on IR, with a long injury history Vs a rocked up 21 year old stud who's never been injured and looks like he was built in a lab!

The Mason argument is also a fallacy, they already said they didn't want to pay what he was worth, so used the transition tag to get something out of it.

I'd rather draft an RB later, and I have about 3 prospects I'm fairly confident will be there who I'd draft over him. Just saying that if I'm going to pass I need someone in the same vicinity talent wise.

Here's the dilemma you two appear to be having.

1. You don't View CMC as still being an All Pro and NY does

2. You don't think Harmon is close to Jeanty's tier and NY I assume does.

You view those two players differently which will never allow your views to align on this topic.