With the 11th overall pick..

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I still say they make too much of an issue about arm length for O linemen. Does an extra inch or even 2 make that much difference on whether an O linemen can block a defender? How often do they really need to fully extend their arms? It's more about footwork, technique and strength.

It all matters. It's not just arm length it's wingspan which is also extremely poor at OT.

You have to figure out where he's best at in the NFL. Is he gonna be a better OT or a better OG for a team? IMO he's still a OT and could be similar to Kaleb McGary or maybe Slater.

I don't think every team will have him ranked as a OT

You can't use wingspan as an O linemen. That would be holding if you reach out and grab. Most O linemen are taught to grab the jersety inside around the chest area. When they go outside the shoulder pad area they get called for holding. Arm length for an O linemen is the last thing I would be concerned with unless he looked like T-rex.

I think they want longer arms as they are typically better at stonewalling a defender at arms length in front of them etc, but agreed its an overblown metric and not a definitive correlation to performance on the field.

I understand the concept but if the defensive player is quicker or stronger he's going to get around you. When you watch the typical play the tackle has to move laterally as the edge rusher tries to get around him. A 34 inch arm vs a 32 inch arm isn't going to make a lot of difference in that situation. Interior O linemen tend to try and block low or grab inside and wrestle.

I think arm length is just another metric that NFL teams use that aren't really that important. It's up there with hand size for a QB. The difference between 9 1/8 vs 9 1/2 is 3/8 of an inch. Does that really make a difference in how well you can grip a football. Apparantly not since Mahomes only has 9 1/4 inch hands and he does okay.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I understand the concept but if the defensive player is quicker or stronger he's going to get around you. When you watch the typical play the tackle has to move laterally as the edge rusher tries to get around him. A 34 inch arm vs a 32 inch arm isn't going to make a lot of difference in that situation. Interior O linemen tend to try and block low or grab inside and wrestle.

I think arm length is just another metric that NFL teams use that aren't really that important. It's up there with hand size for a QB. The difference between 9 1/8 vs 9 1/2 is 3/8 of an inch. Does that really make a difference in how well you can grip a football. Apparantly not since Mahomes only has 9 1/4 inch hands and he does okay.

I mean you can say that, but the league clearly thinks differently. Like I said, I believe there's only 3 current starting OTs with less than 33" arms.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean you can say that, but the league clearly thinks differently. Like I said, I believe there's only 3 current starting OTs with less than 33" arms.

Add Luke Goedeke

Copying and pasting this (even though I dont think its entirely accurate as Braden Smith and McGary should also qualify):

Over the last decade, 118 offensive linemen were drafted in rounds one and two. 21 of those 118 had an arm length of 33 inches or shorter, and a sub 80 inch wingspan. 10 became guards. 10 centers. 1, and only one, is a tackle: Luke Goedeke

Originally posted by NYniner85:
They could get called for holding every play lol. Arm length clearly matters if you look at who's playing OT.

I think there's 3 starting OT in the NFL that have less than 33" arms

Alaric Jackson
Kaleb McGary
Braden Smith

Joe Staley had sub 33" arms

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Joe Staley had sub 33" arms

Sub 33? Joe Staley?

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
They could get called for holding every play lol. Arm length clearly matters if you look at who's playing OT.

I think there's 3 starting OT in the NFL that have less than 33" arms

Alaric Jackson
Kaleb McGary
Braden Smith

Joe Staley had sub 33" arms

He had 33.5 arms

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I understand the concept but if the defensive player is quicker or stronger he's going to get around you. When you watch the typical play the tackle has to move laterally as the edge rusher tries to get around him. A 34 inch arm vs a 32 inch arm isn't going to make a lot of difference in that situation. Interior O linemen tend to try and block low or grab inside and wrestle.

I think arm length is just another metric that NFL teams use that aren't really that important. It's up there with hand size for a QB. The difference between 9 1/8 vs 9 1/2 is 3/8 of an inch. Does that really make a difference in how well you can grip a football. Apparantly not since Mahomes only has 9 1/4 inch hands and he does okay.

I mean you can say that, but the league clearly thinks differently. Like I said, I believe there's only 3 current starting OTs with less than 33" arms.

That's exactly what I'm addressing. The league is trendy and if it becomes an issue for one team then others follow. It was only a couple years ago when the league was devaluing RBs. Now they're rising again in popularity. I know that the league thinks differently but I've been following football for a long time. I've seen lot's of trends and changes. It seems to me that the more metrics they come up with the more they tend to over analyze players. Almost like they're trying to find reasons to not draft a player instead of reasons why they should draft a player.

Originally posted by scooterhd:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean you can say that, but the league clearly thinks differently. Like I said, I believe there's only 3 current starting OTs with less than 33" arms.

Add Luke Goedeke

Copying and pasting this (even though I dont think its entirely accurate as Braden Smith and McGary should also qualify):

Over the last decade, 118 offensive linemen were drafted in rounds one and two. 21 of those 118 had an arm length of 33 inches or shorter, and a sub 80 inch wingspan. 10 became guards. 10 centers. 1, and only one, is a tackle: Luke Goedeke

How could I forgot Luke Goedeke lol.

Originally posted by frankieuc68:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Joe Staley had sub 33" arms

Sub 33? Joe Staley?

Nah he didn't 33" 1/2.

I'm Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
That's exactly what I'm addressing. The league is trendy and if it becomes an issue for one team then others follow. It was only a couple years ago when the league was devaluing RBs. Now they're rising again in popularity. I know that the league thinks differently but I've been following football for a long time. I've seen lot's of trends and changes. It seems to me that the more metrics they come up with the more they tend to over analyze players. Almost like they're trying to find reasons to not draft a player instead of reasons why they should draft a player.

It's not trendy, they simply value certain qualities at certain positions. Overall OTs have always had longer arms.

it's an important physical trait. It creates a bigger margin for error. These EDGEs aren't getting worse, they're bigger faster and stronger now.

im also not saying Campbell can't play OT. Im saying arm length is a thing for a reason.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I'm Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
That's exactly what I'm addressing. The league is trendy and if it becomes an issue for one team then others follow. It was only a couple years ago when the league was devaluing RBs. Now they're rising again in popularity. I know that the league thinks differently but I've been following football for a long time. I've seen lot's of trends and changes. It seems to me that the more metrics they come up with the more they tend to over analyze players. Almost like they're trying to find reasons to not draft a player instead of reasons why they should draft a player.

It's not trendy, they simply value certain qualities at certain positions. Overall OTs have always had longer arms.

it's an important physical trait. It creates a bigger margin for error. These EDGEs aren't getting worse, they're bigger faster and stronger now.

im also not saying Campbell can't play OT. Im saying arm length is a thing for a reason.

Bingo they don't like shorter tackles either. They got a type and they stick to it.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Today I'm thinking it's Will Johnson @ 11

Id say Will Johnson if their Top DL/OL isn't there at 11.

I'm thinking that they think they can get a DT in the 2nd and 3rd round. I think the tackle they want will be gone and they go CB. Johnson Lenior and MM would make a solid core. Plenty of FS to draft as well.

Where's Mayo and our NFL draft day countdown??

trade down get to early 20s Draft DE, OT, DT, and LB in any order with the first 4 picks

Cmon Lock In!