Armand Membou Mizzou OT

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Dude has eerily similar measurements and workout numbers as Trent. Still I don't see this team taking a tackle over dline let alone playmaking position. I think they want to avoid another McGlinchey but Membou is nothing like his weak ass

If Membou is like T Williams why wouldn't he be the pick?

1) Williams is getting up an age and will eventually need his replacement.
2) This draft is deep for dline. They definitely could get a good one 2nd or 3rd round.

Originally posted by frankieuc68:
Decided to look at Rashawn Slater RAS number (don't know how to embed it here) just to compare the 2 and Membou has the better numbers on all categories in terms of length and explosiveness. Membou weigh at 335 lbs vs Slater at 304 lbs. Slater was picked at 13. Damn, he will get pick before 11 or some team will trade ahead of us lol.

Here are some highlights vs the Texas A&M studs. Nice battle out there.

1- pass set. Win. Forced Scourton inside
2- run. Lost inside leverage but RB had speed to get outside
3- Pass. Double team on Scourton
4- Pass. Win on Stewart
5- Pass. RB chip then double on Scourton
6- Pass. Double Scourton with RB
7- Run. Blown up by Stewart. TFL
8- Combo block. Double with TE on Scourton
9- Pass. Win on Scourton
10- Pass. Win on Scourton
11- Pass. Win on Scourton
12- Run. Win on Stewart
13- Pass. Pressure by Scourton
14- Inside left run. Toss up
15- Pass. Win on Scourton
16- Quick pass. Toss up
17- Pass. Pressure by Stewart
18- Pass. Lost inside contain with swim move. Doubled by guard
19- Pass. Lost contain. TFL Qb run
20- Pass. Doubled with RB
21- Pass. Doubled with guard
22- Pass. Pancake on Stewart
23- Pass. Pressure on QB run
24- Run. Loss vs Scourton. Scourton held the edge and RB fired inside. Was supposed to be an outside run but Scourton held the edge.
25- Inside run. Toss up
26- Pass. Win
27- Run. Stewart threw Membou back 5 yards. Destroyed the RB for TFL
28- Pass. Win on Scourton
29- Inside run. Toss up vs Stewart. Stewart got penetration
30- Pass. Win on Scourton

Pass win (10)
Pass double / chip (7)
Pass tie / no effect (1)
Pass pressure allowed (4)
Run win (1)
Run lost (4)
Run tie / no effect (3)

What am I missing here? I don't see it with this guy. Definitely not as a 1st round pick. He got help or allowed a pressure on half the pass sets. He lost more run sets than he won.

He didn't allow any sacks but I was surprised to see Missouri offer so much help with doubles and chips. And that was with Membou at RT vs power rushers. I don't think he'd stand a chance at LT with speed guys.

He could be a decent pass blocking guard but his run blocking looked mediocre.

2nd round? Sure. He has quick feet and a strong punch for pass blocking but he seems to get moved easily in the run game and that's concerning if he would have to face interior tackles 60 pounds heavier than Scourton and Stewart.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Mann I'm liking Mebo more and more. handled Stewart easily which he has a miles Garrett silhouette

Campbell gave up some space on blocks and some snaps.. he needed chip help. Felt like he could have lost his block on most snaps

i would choose Mebo between the two

scourton looks like a god pick up also

I think Membou got help on every pass set. Chips or doubled.

not in the Vs stewart vid. a lot of 1v1s

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
not in the Vs stewart vid. a lot of 1v1s

I just posted the play breakdown.

He got help on 7 of 22 pass sets.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
not in the Vs stewart vid. a lot of 1v1s

I just posted the play breakdown.

He got help on 7 of 22 pass sets.

7-22 is not every pass set like you said.. scrouton did a better job at keeping Mebo on his toes... Mebo locked stew down

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
7-22 is not every pass set like you said.. scrouton did a better job at keeping Mebo on his toes... Mebo locked stew down

It's still way too much help to be giving to a RT who is supposed to be a top 15 pick.

If he was a LT against speed guys would he need help every snap?

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by frankieuc68:
Decided to look at Rashawn Slater RAS number (don't know how to embed it here) just to compare the 2 and Membou has the better numbers on all categories in terms of length and explosiveness. Membou weigh at 335 lbs vs Slater at 304 lbs. Slater was picked at 13. Damn, he will get pick before 11 or some team will trade ahead of us lol.

Here are some highlights vs the Texas A&M studs. Nice battle out there.

1- pass set. Win. Forced Scourton inside
2- run. Lost inside leverage but RB had speed to get outside
3- Pass. Double team on Scourton
4- Pass. Win on Stewart
5- Pass. RB chip then double on Scourton
6- Pass. Double Scourton with RB
7- Run. Blown up by Stewart. TFL
8- Combo block. Double with TE on Scourton
9- Pass. Win on Scourton
10- Pass. Win on Scourton
11- Pass. Win on Scourton
12- Run. Win on Stewart
13- Pass. Pressure by Scourton
14- Inside left run. Toss up
15- Pass. Win on Scourton
16- Quick pass. Toss up
17- Pass. Pressure by Stewart
18- Pass. Lost inside contain with swim move. Doubled by guard
19- Pass. Lost contain. TFL Qb run
20- Pass. Doubled with RB
21- Pass. Doubled with guard
22- Pass. Pancake on Stewart
23- Pass. Pressure on QB run
24- Run. Loss vs Scourton. Scourton held the edge and RB fired inside. Was supposed to be an outside run but Scourton held the edge.
25- Inside run. Toss up
26- Pass. Win
27- Run. Stewart threw Membou back 5 yards. Destroyed the RB for TFL
28- Pass. Win on Scourton
29- Inside run. Toss up vs Stewart. Stewart got penetration
30- Pass. Win on Scourton

Pass win (10)
Pass double / chip (7)
Pass tie / no effect (1)
Pass pressure allowed (4)
Run win (1)
Run lost (4)
Run tie / no effect (3)

What am I missing here? I don't see it with this guy. Definitely not as a 1st round pick. He got help or allowed a pressure on half the pass sets. He lost more run sets than he won.

He didn't allow any sacks but I was surprised to see Missouri offer so much help with doubles and chips. And that was with Membou at RT vs power rushers. I don't think he'd stand a chance at LT with speed guys.

He could be a decent pass blocking guard but his run blocking looked mediocre.

2nd round? Sure. He has quick feet and a strong punch for pass blocking but he seems to get moved easily in the run game and that's concerning if he would have to face interior tackles 60 pounds heavier than Scourton and Stewart.

Just because he or any other player getting help doesn't mean he's the weak link or incapable being on an island. Some offensive philosophy is based on chips/help concepts.
Geoff Schwartz wrote an article few years ago about this topic. "NFL pass protection is complicated.."
Sorry, I am having trouble putting it here but it's a good read.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
7-22 is not every pass set like you said.. scrouton did a better job at keeping Mebo on his toes... Mebo locked stew down

It's still way too much help to be giving to a RT who is supposed to be a top 15 pick.

If he was a LT against speed guys would he need help every snap?

there was a total of 31 pass attempts in the game...

90% of those chips and doubles were not even needed. Mebo already had the guy locked down

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
7-22 is not every pass set like you said.. scrouton did a better job at keeping Mebo on his toes... Mebo locked stew down

It's still way too much help to be giving to a RT who is supposed to be a top 15 pick.

If he was a LT against speed guys would he need help every snap?

there was a total of 31 pass attempts in the game...

90% of those chips and doubles were not even needed. Mebo already had the guy locked down

Yeah I'm not with Sask on this one, Membou is a damn good OT prospect. He won't be 21 until end of the month and overall has just scratched the surface at playing OL.

I'm not positive he makes it to 11, but if he does I'm all for going in that direction.

Just because they schemed help his way doesn't mean it automatically gets chalked up as he needed the help. Those chips and late doubles did nothing to impact the play on the majority of plays...the defender was already removed from the play.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Just because they schemed help his way doesn't mean it automatically gets chalked up as he needed the help. Those chips and late doubles did nothing to impact the play on the majority of plays...the defender was already removed from the play.

This ^

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Armand Membou is taking no-hitters deep into the 3rd quarter in all of these games. He might give up a base hit here and there, but he's giving up next to nothing time and time again. In most cases, he's striking out the side. This isn't the type of prospect that fails in the NFL

— Kyle Posey (@KP_Show) March 5, 2025

I may just pick this guy over Graham ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Armand Membou is taking no-hitters deep into the 3rd quarter in all of these games. He might give up a base hit here and there, but he's giving up next to nothing time and time again. In most cases, he's striking out the side. This isn't the type of prospect that fails in the NFL

— Kyle Posey (@KP_Show) March 5, 2025

I may just pick this guy over Graham ?

Jaguars aren't gonna give us an option to take Graham anyways

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Armand Membou is taking no-hitters deep into the 3rd quarter in all of these games. He might give up a base hit here and there, but he's giving up next to nothing time and time again. In most cases, he's striking out the side. This isn't the type of prospect that fails in the NFL

— Kyle Posey (@KP_Show) March 5, 2025

I may just pick this guy over Graham ?

Jaguars aren't gonna give us an option to take Graham anyways

maybe they spend some cash at IDL. They're pretty s**tty at play makers and secondary well