Why are the Niners so bad at draft in the 1st and 2nd Rounds and how can it change? | Page 3

Feb 21, 2025 at 6:23 PM

SanDiego49er
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Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Just draft BPA.

BTW the Eagles didn't target the trenches as everyone has been saying since the Super Bowl because Roseman has just been drafting BPA in every round that's why he got Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter in back to back years in the 1st round and 2 defensive backs in rounds 1 and 2 last year and because of that strategy he has won a Super Bowl with freaking Pederson/Foles and then another one with freaking Sirianni/Hurts.

If we draft BPA the chances of those guys being busts are significantly lower than the ones we may get if we draft for need because in that case we will be reaching more often than not.

BPA is the way.

Yeah of course you draft BPA. But they do draft TRENCHES is the point. While we ignore it. That's a big difference. You can't just completely ignore it for years and years like we do. At some point that has an effect on the team. Playing bully ball in the TRENCHES always helps a team and gives you a chance to win. Letting your lines age, get injured, leave in FA, get depleted is not a good strategy.

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Feb 21, 2025 at 11:11 PM

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Ezekiel38
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Not drafting BPA and reaching for need.

Feb 22, 2025 at 12:00 AM

#33

Kolohe
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Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Not drafting BPA and reaching for need.

When did they reach for need? We all thought they were gonna draft a O-lineman then what happened, Ricky Pearsall.

I hated the Trey Lance pick, but was it a absolute need to take a QB at the time? It was just the right thing to do.

I'll admit Buckner for Kinlaw was dumb AF.

Feb 22, 2025 at 12:44 AM

#34

bigpete50
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As others have hinted at:
1. Kyle gets involved more in rounds 1 and 2.
2. Niners try to get too cute and this usually fails.
3. They draft for need and not BPA.
4. They often reach instead of trading down to amass more picks and THEN select the player they have their eyes set on.

Feb 22, 2025 at 1:46 AM

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DRCHOWDER
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They can probably change by picking better players in the 1st and 2nd round.

Feb 22, 2025 at 1:56 AM

#36

English
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Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
They can probably change by picking better players in the 1st and 2nd round.

Brilliant, Watson, brilliant.

Feb 22, 2025 at 2:03 AM

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DRCHOWDER
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Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
They can probably change by picking better players in the 1st and 2nd round.

Brilliant, Watson, brilliant.

Feb 22, 2025 at 2:04 AM

#38

replikante
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Originally posted by bigpete50:
As others have hinted at:
1. Kyle gets involved more in rounds 1 and 2.
2. Niners try to get too cute and this usually fails.
3. They draft for need and not BPA.
4. They often reach instead of trading down to amass more picks and THEN select the player they have their eyes set on.

why there's so many people talking about something they have no clue about?

Not one reporter, NFL insider or beat writter knows exactly how the draft selection is made internally, how much weight each member of the FO has in each selection or if differences btwin firsts and later rounds even exist. No one knows, let alone the posters here.

Feb 22, 2025 at 4:24 AM

#39

NYniner85
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Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Not drafting BPA and reaching for need.

When did they reach for need? We all thought they were gonna draft a O-lineman then what happened, Ricky Pearsall.

I hated the Trey Lance pick, but was it a absolute need to take a QB at the time? It was just the right thing to do.

I'll admit Buckner for Kinlaw was dumb AF.

It's not like Kinlaw was a reach either. He was regarded as one of the top 2 DTs in the draft, crushed the Senior bowl and was consistently being drafted top 15.

imo if they didn't know they were training for Trent, Wirfs would have been the pick. Reports showed it was down to Wirfs and Kin.

Feb 22, 2025 at 4:30 AM

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NYniner85
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Originally posted by bigpete50:
As others have hinted at:
1. Kyle gets involved more in rounds 1 and 2.
2. Niners try to get too cute and this usually fails.
3. They draft for need and not BPA.
4. They often reach instead of trading down to amass more picks and THEN select the player they have their eyes set on.

Guess what every damn team drafts for need. Acting like that's not true is a lie. BPA based on need. That's literally how it works.

This whole narrative that he has more say on early rd picks is based off what? Folks keep tossing s**t against the wall hoping something sticks

Feb 22, 2025 at 4:32 AM

#41

NYniner85
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Originally posted by dlance:
They reach for a need instead of drafting the best player. Ricky Pearsall was a reach. We will never know, but they probably could have drafted him in the second round.

Why was Ricky a reach? Because Mel kiper said so? It's not like he was a day 3 talent.

Feb 22, 2025 at 4:35 AM

#42

genus49
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
Just draft BPA.

BTW the Eagles didn't target the trenches as everyone has been saying since the Super Bowl because Roseman has just been drafting BPA in every round that's why he got Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter in back to back years in the 1st round and 2 defensive backs in rounds 1 and 2 last year and because of that strategy he has won a Super Bowl with freaking Pederson/Foles and then another one with freaking Sirianni/Hurts.

If we draft BPA the chances of those guys being busts are significantly lower than the ones we may get if we draft for need because in that case we will be reaching more often than not.

BPA is the way.

Yeah of course you draft BPA. But they do draft TRENCHES is the point. While we ignore it. That's a big difference. You can't just completely ignore it for years and years like we do. At some point that has an effect on the team. Playing bully ball in the TRENCHES always helps a team and gives you a chance to win. Letting your lines age, get injured, leave in FA, get depleted is not a good strategy.

You have this habit of stating blatantly false information as fact.

There has only been one draft by the 49ers under Shanahan when they didn't draft anyone in the TRENCHES and that was the 2023 disaster when we didn't have a pick til like 99 or something like that.

To take it a step further outside of that year the 49ers have drafted someone in the trenches in round 1 or 2 every year except last year, when we grabbed Puni in round 3.

So wrong again.

Feb 22, 2025 at 7:37 AM

#43

miked1978
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Shany does not know how to draft in the early rounds. He's always just 1 more WR away. I absolutely couldn't believe we picked a WR last year. With all our offensive and defensive line needs. Eagles and Lions build the TRENCHES. We don't. That's the difference. Shany doesn't care about lines. It's always just one more WR, RB, CB. Not that you don't need those. But he over values it. While massively under valuing offensive and defensive line.

Rounds 1-2 since 2017

SF: 6 out of 13 picks (46%) dedicated to the trenches. 5 out of 13 (38%) spent on WR, CB, and RB
Philly: 7 out of 16 picks (44%) dedicated to the trenches. 7 out of 16 (44%) spent on WR, CB, and RB you complain about
Det:: 5 out of 19 picks (26%) dedicated to the trenches. 7 out of 16 (44%) spent on WR, CB, and RB you complain about

but Shany doesn't care about the lines??? Has literally picked more lineman than the 2 teams you mention.

Feb 22, 2025 at 7:42 AM

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miked1978
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Originally posted by replikante:

Originally posted by bigpete50:
As others have hinted at:
1. Kyle gets involved more in rounds 1 and 2.
2. Niners try to get too cute and this usually fails.
3. They draft for need and not BPA.
4. They often reach instead of trading down to amass more picks and THEN select the player they have their eyes set on.

why there's so many people talking about something they have no clue about?

Not one reporter, NFL insider or beat writter knows exactly how the draft selection is made internally, how much weight each member of the FO has in each selection or if differences btwin firsts and later rounds even exist. No one knows, let alone the posters here.

Ha ha this is so true. Its like some of our fans think Kyle just leaves the room after rd 2. When Adam Peters was here these same fans literally said he drafted all of the good players and Kyle/Lynch drafted all of the busts.

Can dude honestly say with a straight face that Ricky Pearsall was a need?

Feb 22, 2025 at 8:02 AM

#45

CatchMaster80
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Drafting the best playewr available is fine if he can fill a need. If the BPA is a running back when the pick I don't see them taking him. It should be BPA at a position of need.